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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() We've been looking for a house for the last couple of months. We keep finding houses we like, make an offer, and get rejected for various reason. Usually it's because there are (not kidding) 17 other offers on the same house, and half of them are all cash. We're *only* able to put down about 10%, which I'd always thought was fairly reasonable, but maybe not so much. Another bit of info: all the houses we've looked at over the last 4 months, with the exception of TWO, were bank-owned properties. So, they're pretty straight-forward sales and we usually get a response within a couple of days of our offer. It's usually pretty mechanical, and rarely are there any emotions involved. Anyway, we finally had a really good day of hunting and had 4 houses in a row that we liked, some more than others. We made offers on each of them. We didn't get the one we really really liked, and as it turns out, we were only $5k off the highest bid. That's some consolation there. Another one we really liked is on a slow-track, so it seems, and we may not know anything on it for a couple of weeks. Layout and location, it's almost identical to our #1 pick, so we'd still be quite happy in this house. The only difference was that it needed more work to get it into shape, while the #1 pick was move-in ready. The third one down the list went to someone who offered a bit more than us, but has mostly cash. OK, I can see how a bank would prefer to deal with someone who is bringing in the full value of the house, rather than having to set up a mortgage. #4 house, which is still one we liked well-enough to put a bid on, came back as a Yes right away. Yay! But then we checked their counteroffer, and it was a little weird, and the wording was a bit strange, so we had our agent talk to the guy, who gave her some attitude. Oh, but then they gave us a copy of the home inspection that was done by the previous buyer who backed out at the last minute. We'd known that it has previously been in contract and that a buyer had backed out. That wasn't too worrisome, knowing how the agent was a bit slow and that the market moves pretty quickly. Maybe something else came through for them. Who knows. At this point, we're still not in contact, but we decide to take a look at the home inspection anyway, and see what it says. Oh... it need a new roof and a new sump pump, and there are some wiring problems in the kitchen. That's not good. The selling agent calls our agent and asks if we'd like to resubmit our offer, based on what's in the inspection. OK, that's a little strange, but we take that as our opportunity to adjust our number prior to going into contract, rather than negotiate that stuff afterwards. We come back with a number lower than our original offer, but in keeping with the costs to fix what was noted in the inspection. The guy balks. He says that he has another offer, and that we'd better think long and hard about what our final offer (highest and best, so to speak) will be. My thinking is that the guy is full of it. They have ONE other offer. In a market where most houses in this price range and condition are getting 10-15 offers. He's already been down this road once with another buyer, who backed out. Is he really in a position to screw with us? My thinking is that we approach our final offer the same way we would have had we gone into contract before seeing the home inspection, and take our original offer and back it down to where it's in line with the repairs that are necessary (not the stuff we already knew we'd have to take care of), and leave it at that. That way, if we DO get the house after all, at least we don't feel like we've been cheated out of $10k just because the guy was dinking us around. And if we DON'T get the house, at least we can say that we followed the "rules" and it wasn't because we didn't give the guy a fair offer. This is pretty much my first direct experience with buying a house. The market now is a little weird, especially where we are. For a while, there were tons of houses on the listings each week. Now it's not as frequent, but I keep hearing that there are still more foreclosures out there, just waiting to hit the market. I'm not so sure. What would you advise your friends/family to do in this situation? Take the house, at the original offer price and suck it up? Or hang in there, and wait a bit longer? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It sounds like the guy is trying to get you to up your offer. Hold firm on your revised (2nd) offer. Be prepared to walk away. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() But realize that all houses need work. If you can mentally walkaway and you have other options then you have the power to call his bluff. |
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![]() madkat - 2009-06-03 6:59 PM My thinking is that we approach our final offer the same way we would have had we gone into contract before seeing the home inspection, and take our original offer and back it down to where it's in line with the repairs that are necessary (not the stuff we already knew we'd have to take care of), and leave it at that. What would you advise your friends/family to do in this situation? Take the house, at the original offer price and suck it up? Or hang in there, and wait a bit longer? I'm on my third house. If you feel you want this one, offer your original price minus the cost of the repairs. Don't get dicked around into offering more than you can/want to. Remember, you have about 30 years to either enjoy this or regret it. If you don't get this one, it wasn't meant to be but the one that is will come along too. Again, you have 30 years of mortgage, don't rush the front end. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'd stick by the second offer. it'll probably cost over 10k to get a new roof depending on how many square the roof is especially if they have to tear off the existing shingles. I highly reccommend tearing off the existing shingles. You'll get a lot more life out of the new shingles and you'll know that the sheeting is solid. If the sheeting isn't solid you'll be replacing the roof a lot sooner than you would expect. ( don't ask me how I know) It'll take another couple thousand to update the wiring but the sump pump should only be $150 or so. I've bought a few houses in the last 17 yrs and in my experience patience will usually pay off. 10% is a bit low for most banks in my area they usually won't give you a mortgage for less than 20% unless your credit rating is stellar. I've bought 2 houses that I shouldn't have just because I was in a hurry or thought they were really good deals. They cost me a bunch in repairs that I didn't see coming even with a home inspection. I think the guy is trying to play you for more money. Good Luck |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sounds like the guy is trying to run you around. Here's how I approach buying a house: I offer what I feel comfortable offering, based on parameters I have to live within [X amount down, X amount total cost, X amount per month, etc]. That way I don't have to worry about "oh, I should have offered more, maybe I would have gotten it" or whatever. If they can't take my "best" then I'm not supposed to have that one! If I were advising a family member I'd tell him/her to stick with the most recent offer and if they have someone else lined up with a better offer then they should enjoy their new home. I'm curious about this kitchen wiring stuff. Is it something dopey like the garbage disposal and dishwasher being on the same circuit? Do they have outlets above the counters that aren't on GFCI? What's the extent of this wiring business? It could be anywhere from a $50 fix or a couple thousand. That's incredible that there are so many folks in your market who have the cash for a house! And I'd believe it when they tell you that more foreclosures are on the way. You think that with a few hundred thousand jobs going away nationwide, every month, that folks are still paying their mortgages? There's a house on every street. If you don't get this one, you can always get another one. In the mean time you'll still be making money and you'll keep packing away more for an even bigger down payment/repairs nest egg. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's your money. One of the guys here had his roof replaced this spring after some storm damage, and it was $10K (and that's here in the midwest, not an expensive market). Sump pump? How much existing damage due to the bad pump? Do you want to buy a house today with potential mold problems that may make it difficult to sell in the future (and expensive to abate)? Wiring? What does the report say? As others have said, it could be pretty simple, or it could be expensive. If the repairs are an issue, make the offer contingent upon the seller making the repairs rather than reducing your offer. The caveat here is that the shingle warranty might not transfer to you. If the repairs aren't enough to stop you, then make whatever bid you are comfortable with and let them counter. You can still walk away since it was #4 on your list. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() To me it doesn't sound like you don't like the house enough to deal with the seller. And it sounds like the seller is getting desperate. I would stick to your guns on your offer. Remember, if you end up with a price too high and it doesn't appraise for that price, he would have to lower it anyway or the bank won't give you a mortgage. I looked at a LOT Of houses before I bought the one I am currently living in. And I didn't think I was going to get it. We went back and forth with counter offers for a week. But I liked it so above and beyond all the other houses I saw that I wasn't willing to walk away. So I paid a bit more than I wanted to...but the house was worth it. I don't get that vibe from the way you talked about the house. It sucks that you seem to not get any houses you are putting up offers for (quite honestly that just sounds like darn bad luck!), but if you HAVE the time to be patient, be patient...your dream house is out there. Good luck...and post pictures. ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Is the land pretty much settled? My place had a bunch of fill dirt and the porch has pulled away from the roof about 5 inches. Plus living on the lower side of a street, have a septic tank and pump to go up to the main sewer line. Inspect everything and ask questions.... Think about what is going to happen 5 years from now. Any rumors about a new road/highway, factory/ect.ect. Edited by BellinghamSpence 2009-06-03 11:01 PM |