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2008-07-19 3:24 PM

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Subject: Garmin or Nike+?
I'm thinking about purchasing either a Garmin 205 or a Nike+. I would have to purchase the iPod Nano if I go with the Nike+, because currently only have an iPod mini. Thus, the prices will be comparable. I am not interested in a heartrate monitor.

Please give me your thoughts on the pros and cons.

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Steve


2008-07-19 4:14 PM
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i don't know about the garmin, but stay away from nike+.  they last about about 5-8 runs, ymmv obviously, but i don't run that far - 2-4 miles, then the stupid battery in the foot pod dies.  then you have to pay $19 for a new one (which you have to order b/c they don't sell just the foot pod in the store).  so net, you'll have to buy another nike+ kit ($30) or order the foot pod + shipping and handling (which is around $25). i bought one, it died quickly, thought it was a lemon, and tried again.  now that it's dead, i'm going to save the headache and go for a garmin next time. 
2008-07-19 4:24 PM
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I had the nike+ and it worked pretty well, not near as accurate as the garmin obvioulsy but if your not TOO serious and don't need exact paces and distances it's a good deal. Since you're gonna have t buy a new ipod to go with it, you're not saving much money so I would definatley go with the garmin. After the battery died on my nike+(used it for about 1.5 years). I upgraded to a Garmin 305 just becasue I was getting more serious about running. I would my Garmin was one of the best training investments I made and don't know what I would do without it now.
2008-07-19 4:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Garmin or Nike+?

I have a Nike+, love it, and never had any problems with it, ever.  Having said that, the Garmin is just better technology, especially if you can find a deal on a 305 where you can use it for running and biking (and swimming, I guess.)

Flip side, your Garmin won't let you jam to Disturbed while you workout. 

2008-07-19 5:05 PM
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I've had my Nike+ well over a year now and haven't changed anything. The foot transmitter in my wife's shoes died a few months ago but she'd been using hers for over a year and put 100's of miles on it. Mine is still ticking and I have put as many or more miles on mine. Their website isn't great but it does keep track of all your runs, has some goal type stuff on their but isn't close to taking the place of a good running log.

My con against the Nike+ is that unless you run the same gait, speed, cadence, etc every day forever the transmitter isn't extremely accurate for long periods of time. I tend to calibrate mine atleast once every 2 months. Despite that it's never off by more than a couple tenths of a mile, half mile at the most for me.

To me if you already had an ipod it would be a no brainer, but since you don't it's sort of a personal preference kinda thing. I've had my Ipod nano for awhile (since they were longer and skinny) and can't see myself doing long runs without it.
2008-07-19 5:36 PM
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I have had the Nike+ for about a year and a half with zero problems. Works really well. The only reason I just purchased a Garmin is that I want to run without an Ipod.


2008-07-19 5:55 PM
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I have never used the Nike+, but I would think the Garmin gives you much more data. You can upload to sites like motion based and get maps, elevation, weather info. You can upload maps from mapmyrun to the garmin (at least the 305, not sure on the 205). Plus the Garmin has the multisport mode that works great for the bike and run. I recently installed the speed and cadence sensor to my bike so I dont need a bike computer and can get cadence data downloaded to my PC.

I guess it comes down to how much info you want. If you want more then speed and distance, I really think the Garmin will be your best choice in the long run
2008-07-19 6:20 PM
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Thanks for the info. If I download a map to a Garmin, how will it tell me where to go? Does it beep and have an arrow on upcoming turns? Also, I noticed there was a feature on BT that has a Garmin interact with a BT, how does that work?

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2008-07-19 7:40 PM
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i had a Nike+ for a year with mixed results.   if you change your gait, stride, pace, etc.....the results will differ quite a bit.   i've actually noticed quite a bit a difference after getting my Garmin 305.

the Garmin uses a sattlite and is extremely accurate regardless of stride, gait, etc.  i like how i can head out and not worry about a route because i know it'll be true....unlike the Nike+.  

to tell you the truth, i don't know how i ever used the Nike+ now that i have my Garmin.  it's really invaluable to me and worth every penny it cost me.

and who says you can't rock out with a Garmin?   i use my Garmin and wear my nano while running.   only difference is not having a power song....which to me is no big deal.

a big +1 for the Garmin....no question

2008-07-19 9:22 PM
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berlinsd - 2008-07-19 7:20 PM ....

Also, I noticed there was a feature on BT that has a Garmin interact with a BT, how does that work? Steve


BT interfaces with Garmin units in 2 ways: You can 1) upload the map/geo data to the Route Tracker  2) upload workout data (including HR Zone info) to your training log.

Uploading route data is a free feature, workout data is a performance member feature, primarily because it's expensive on our end to maintain.

 

2008-07-19 10:29 PM
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You don't have to buy an Ipod to use the Nike+.  All you need is to buy the Nike Sportsband [$60] & a mini shoe pouch [~$7 - unless you plan on buying Nike+ sneakers]. For $67 you get to log in you miles.

Nike+ is alright been using it for about 2 months after switching over from the Ipod version of Nike+. Sometimes you'll lose some runs but that was also with the Ipod version. If your starting out to see if you like running it's great but I recommend also getting yourself a log book [$15] to write your runs as backup.



2008-07-20 12:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Garmin or Nike+?

I've never used the Nike+, but I'm not a fan of their products. 

Garmin on the other hand does a great job.  I have a 305, as does my wife, and it's great.  There are the occasional glitches, but 99% of the time it's a great training tool.  I don't think you can go wrong with the Garmin. 

 (consider the 305 or 405..worth the extra $$ IMO)

Weren't you at Ft. Knox before?

2008-07-20 7:19 AM
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I've had the nike+ stuff for well over 18 months and I agree it's a great tool to get approximate data with.
I enjoy having the option of the music, but most of the time I don't wear headphones. The only downside imo to the nike+ is having to have the footpod thing (velcro'd under laces for .15 cents) - which makes it really hard to run anywhere barefoot, or if you want to run on a beach somewhere you still have to strap it on to the foot (it doesn't work strapped to a leg) and then you have the moisture factor to contend with - I killed one last year near salt water.

I have a garmin forerunner 50 I use just for HR, but if I ever get the cash saved up I'll def. go with the 405. It looks to be small/light to wear and packed with great technologies.

If I had to do it over again, I'd start with a Garmin.
2008-07-20 7:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Garmin or Nike+?

I had the Nike + since it first came out.  I did the majority of my runs in the early morning before the sun came up so having the "voice" talk to me telling me pace & distance during my run was great.  I also like listening to music while running.  When I was working on my stride rate, I loaded drum beats with the beats per minute I wanted and ran to that.

I have not used a 205/305 but I have run with my GPS receiver.  I like the ability to upload the route.

The accuracy of the GPS is better than the iPod. 

In over a year and a half, I never had any issues with the Nike+.  I did have the battery die on the iPod.

I would go with the Nike+.



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2008-07-20 7:54 AM
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You can also use your Garmin on the bike. Not sure you can do that with the Nike.
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2008-07-20 11:03 AM
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Super advice.

I've moved to a very hilly area and believe that my pace varies. I've been figuring my times by measuring the distance and using the total run time. Will a Garmin (or Nike+) be able to tell me my rates over different portions of the run (or ride)? I tend to warm-up for the first 10 minutes and then pick up pace. I also wonder what paces I am doing on the hills. I figure that this data would be good for me to better track my work.
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2008-07-20 11:32 AM
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I've had both, and I'll tell you that I run with my Garmin 305 every time I can.  The Nike+ however was shelved after a couple of runs.  The main thing I love about my garmin is that when  I wear it during  a race, I can analyze the race and reexperince it better with the mapping breakdown tools later.  I still look over the Garmin report of my first marathon and see right when I hit the wall.

What drove me away from the Nike+ was the inaccuracy of the distance.  What I wish it would have is a time option.  Then it would always be accurate.  I would set it for a time run of say 40 minutes and it would break that down instead of guessing how far I have run.  If it had that feature, I would probably use that for most of my training and only wear my Garmin in a race.

2008-07-20 11:37 AM
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The Garmin 305 will give you the pace you are currently running.   so essentially you can see your pace go up or down while doing hills.   the Nike+ won't do this because it is calibrated through your pace....which is why i don't like it.   if you change pace or stride....your results will be off.

and as someone else mentioned, you can put the Garmin on your bike and it will keep track of pace for cycling too.

again, the Garmin is awesome and wouldn't trade it for anything.   i'd suggest spend a bit more and go for that (if you can spend the extra).   then just grab a nano or shuffle or whatever iPod or want and use it for your tunes.   thats what i've been doing.

2008-07-20 2:31 PM
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berlinsd - 2008-07-20 11:03 AM

I've moved to a very hilly area and believe that my pace varies. I've been figuring my times by measuring the distance and using the total run time. Will a Garmin (or Nike+) be able to tell me my rates over different portions of the run (or ride)? I tend to warm-up for the first 10 minutes and then pick up pace. I also wonder what paces I am doing on the hills. I figure that this data would be good for me to better track my work.


I do not have a nike+, but can tell you that I love my Garmin 305. It is great. It keeps track of all sorts of information for you. You can upload this info to BT if you spring for a performance membership. I find this worthwhile because of the graphs and having my splits right with my logs.

Regarding your question above, you can set the Garmin to autolap at any given distance (I do 1 mile, DH does 0.5 miles) and at different distances on the bike or the run or you can just push the lap button to separate portions of your workout. This is good for run intervals as well as hill workouts on the bike or the run.

Also, the Garmin allows you to set alerts for pace, HR, time or set-up complete workouts (like fartleks or intervals) in your machine. And, there is the cool racing function where you set the pace and try to beat your "training partner".

And, best of all, since the 405s came out, you can find the 305s for a lot less $. I would not go with the Garmin 105/205. There is a difference in the technology and the 305 are a lot better about picking up and maintaining the satellite signal.


2008-07-21 6:31 AM
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hands down garmin. I am able to pre-set workouts (mainly track ones) and then load them on my watch and able to click through each interval. Plus the garmin you can use for the bike and run.
2008-07-21 8:19 AM
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Mrs. brown_dog_us - 2008-07-20 2:31 PM I would not go with the Garmin 105/205. There is a difference in the technology and the 305 are a lot better about picking up and maintaining the satellite signal.

Actually, the 205s have the same technology as the 305s, just not the HRM. You're probably thinking about the 201/301 series.

2008-07-21 8:21 AM
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Get the garmin, but get the 305. Not much price diff and you might want the HR someday.

 

2008-07-21 8:28 AM
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I've had my Ipod Nike+ since Jan 07.  Since that time I've logged over 1000kms with no problem except for locking up a couple times.  More of an Ipod issue there though.  It's a great product to get people running.  I know having it really motivated me to run, and ultimately to preparing for triathlons.  But I think that's where it ends.  Now that I've become more of a serious runner and looking at running as training not just as exercise, I see the limits of it.  I purchased a HR monitor to track my HR and now wear both.  Ideally, I'd like to have a Forerunner 305 so I can replace my Nike+, HR monitor and cycle computer with one unit.   

When you upload your workouts to the Nike+ you'll see what you ran each km (or mile) in.  At any time you can hit your ipod middle button and it'll tell you are pace and total distance or time remaining.  You will find that running uphill and downhill really throws off the Nike+.

I'd get the Garmin.

 

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