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2008-10-02 10:37 AM

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Subject: Swim with paddles

Today I swam with some paddles, 500 yds to be exact. On my next 500 yds without the paddles, my arms seemed amazingly skinnier and felt like they just sliced through the water. My time is not vastly improve, but it sure felt like I did not get as tired.

Question: Do alot of people on here train with paddles? and if so, any tips on how to train with them? I was just kind of winging it...



2008-10-02 10:43 AM
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I used to use them often, but started to feel extra stress on the shoulders.  I noticed that with paddels,  you get a stonger pull, but since there is more resistance, my turnover was slower.  Almost resulting in equal times between using them or not.

Now I just use them in drills when my plans tell me too.



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2008-10-02 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles
I like using the webbed gloves, feels a little more natural.  I use it to build strength with the increased resistance.  I have just been doing what feels right to me with them, which is when I do intervals I rotate wearing them (2 with, 2 without, etc).
2008-10-02 11:39 AM
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I use at least once a week. After a warm up, my main set is 6 x 300. I do feel it helps build strength as I do not do much weights any more. I also get same feeling when swimming without them.

Other post had point in that it does get you used to lower turnover and that is why I oly use in 1 of my 3 swim workouts. Other benefit is in keeping good form and body rotation. Also makes breathing easier at least for me.

2008-10-02 1:03 PM
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So using the paddles once a week would be a good start???
2008-10-02 2:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles

you might also be using the wrong size paddles...if your turnover rate is not the same as your stroke without paddles drop down one if not two paddle sizes...I use the paddles for 12+ years, beginning masters and they are still a little large for what I need...

I have the yellow ones and should have got the green ones...

http://www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/1238.htm 

 



2008-10-02 2:25 PM
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I use them working on my pull.  Mine are pretty small and aren't much wider then my hands.  Biggest reason I use them is to help me feel my catch, so I can make sure I'm anchoring pushing back instead of down or forward.   I usually do a paddle set just after a set with forearm paddles.
2008-10-02 4:59 PM
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vortmax - 2008-10-02 3:25 PM I use them working on my pull.  Mine are pretty small and aren't much wider then my hands.  Biggest reason I use them is to help me feel my catch, so I can make sure I'm anchoring pushing back instead of down or forward.   I usually do a paddle set just after a set with forearm paddles.

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2008-10-02 5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles
There's a good little blurb on paddles in this months Inside Triathlon page 59 ( Nov issue).
2008-10-02 5:10 PM
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You probably started out with too long of a distance with the paddles. Lucky you didn't get hurt. Many coaches and swimming books don't recommend paddles due to the stress. Some good points mentioned before, start out with web gloves, or smaller paddles. I use fist gloves, more for balance, but they do strenghten my shoulders. Front lateral raises with a light dumbell are a good way to build some muscle in the same area.

2008-10-02 5:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles
rcberto - 2008-10-02 2:59 PM

vortmax - 2008-10-02 3:25 PM I use them working on my pull.  Mine are pretty small and aren't much wider then my hands.  Biggest reason I use them is to help me feel my catch, so I can make sure I'm anchoring pushing back instead of down or forward.   I usually do a paddle set just after a set with forearm paddles.

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Close fist drill works well for that too.

I just found other drills that help with technique far better that paddles, IMO.  Paddles are good for strength building when used sparingly.



2008-10-03 3:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles
I do some drills with my paddles and swim buoy.  It has helped my balance and rotation a lot.  Especially while working on breathing on my bad side.  Also go for the pull as previously mentioned.
2008-10-03 3:17 PM
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Drills only for me.

Too easy to become a crutch, too easy to damage things if not used right, false sense of speed.

2008-10-03 4:52 PM
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I like to mix intervals with and without paddles, it has really helped with my pull, along with skulling drills.
2008-10-03 6:18 PM
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My background is that of a distance freestyler. Paddles put too much stress on my shoulders. I never use them, but I know many who do. I also never do closed fist drills, but recognize they might be helpful to those who are just developing a proficiency in the water.
2008-10-03 11:49 PM
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Close fist drills???  Swim with your hands in a fist?


2008-10-04 6:34 AM
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Yes.  My coach only has me do that for half a length and then open the hands for the other half.  The gist is that you are supposed to swim exactly as you would with open hands which really makes you focus on how your arm goes through the water.

I'm not a big fan of the drill as my form goes to crap when I do it (even though I included one set in my drills yesterday) and I cannot see the real benefit even when I take my time to do it.

2008-10-04 1:03 PM
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Daremo - 2008-10-04 4:34 AM

The gist is that you are supposed to swim exactly as you would with open hands which really makes you focus on how your arm goes through the water.

 I think the better way is to envision your hand and arm as a single unit after you initiate your pull. During the entry the hand has a specific job to do, but once you enter the catch phase the arm and hand work together until your hand gets below your waist.

2008-10-04 3:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles
If you wear a set of paddles with the fore finger straps only it can help to reinforce proper EVF (early vertical forearm). Basically they'll fall off if your forearm isn't vertical throughout the pull.
The only time I use them is during pull sets, and I've normally avoided lots of pull sets until I've reached a high yardage portion of a season.
As with pullbouys and kickboards, paddles are a tool. If used properly they can help you strengthen weaknesses, if used too often they can become a crutch.
2008-10-04 5:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles

one thing on that closed fist drill (which completely sucks by the way...the drill that is...) it really teaches you to use your whole arm instead of just your hand...your forearm area is quite a bit larger than your hand and by doing the "fist drill"you teach yourself proper pull by using the whole arm fromthe elbow down...cause if you don't you will sink like a freakin' rock...I thought the lifeguard was going to have to come get me when I did them and they definately are not needed everytime you get in the pool...but once a month or so to keep you humble...

just remember swim as if your hands were open...

2008-10-04 6:24 PM
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2008-10-04 9:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles
jford2309 - 2008-10-02 10:37 AM

Today I swam with some paddles, 500 yds to be exact. On my next 500 yds without the paddles, my arms seemed amazingly skinnier and felt like they just sliced through the water. My time is not vastly improve, but it sure felt like I did not get as tired.

Question: Do alot of people on here train with paddles? and if so, any tips on how to train with them? I was just kind of winging it...

you should use paddles to learn proper hand entry, hand extension/reach, catch and pull. The paddles forced your hand to enter the water flat, lead straight ahead and catch/pull with a proper high elbow. The use of paddles for strenght is not the best idea for triathletes as we don't swim enough volume. It is better to use paddles which are just barely bigger than your palms of the hands (I use the TYR green color), don't use it for longer sets and alternate sets with and without so you can replicate the proper form. As some posted, swimming too much with paddles will place extra stress on your shoulders. On 3k yards swim I probably swim 200-400 yds with paddles at the most. I hope that helps

2008-10-04 9:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim with paddles

What Jorge said.

When I swim a lot and want to break up longer sets I use paddles for a couple of sets of 200 max. For example, I'll do:

1000 free
200 with paddles
100 recovery
200 with paddles
1000 free

I don't take breaks in between sets only as long as it takes to slip on the paddles.

Use them with long strokes, not fast intervals, so that your form is perfect while you use them. (I don't know how good they are for learning good form.)

I don't use paddles when I'm not in good swim shape and my shoulders get kinda scrawny weak... (I only swim a bit for recovery right now because I'm focusing on running and can't fit more swimming into my schedule.)

 

2008-10-05 9:04 AM
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PennState - 2008-10-04 7:24 PM

OK here goes...


2. Fist drill is a fantastic drill to improve your catch. It is very hard to do properly at first because you need great balance. What it helps you work on is a better 'catch'. This helps with the concept of EVF.

3. There is a different kind of paddle called a "Tech Paddle" which is essentially a forearm paddle and helps much as the fist drill does with the catch and the improvement of EVF (early vertical forearm)

 not criticizing, just expanding

2.  If you prop yourself up with your hand while breathing, fist drills and paddles will show this rather quickly.  With fist drills, you will start sucking a lot of water, as you lose the support you used to have.  With paddles, the extra force you are using to push down just becomes really noticeable and you feel it more.  That contrast is why I like to do fist drills back to back with paddle drills. 

3.  Finis makes a set called forearm fulcrums and they are fantastic.  They hold you hand in the proper plane relative to your forearm.  It's still possible to drop your elbow, but when you do, your hand rotates relative to your forearm, making the paddles slip out of place. These are great in conjunction with fist drills as well.

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