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 2008-10-02 10:45 AM |
Extreme Veteran  391   Olive Branch, MS |  Subject: Bike during marathon training questionI need some suggestions on maintaining bike fitness during marathon training. I am training for a December marathon with hopes of a May 2009 HIM. I am finding it hard to fit rides in during this time, and I am scared I will lose what little bike fitness I have acheived so far this year. Any help getting me motivated to ride would be appreciated. |
| 2008-10-02 11:39 AM in reply to: #1711623 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question What training plan are you following? Many (Higdon, P-D for sure) have days for rest and/or cross training. Use those for the bike. If that's not enough (and i'd shoot for a minimum of three per week) then add a bike on the day of the "easiest" run as well. |
| 2008-10-02 3:14 PM in reply to: #1711623 |
Extreme Veteran 582 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question I'm currently training for a 1/2 marathon (following the hal higdon plan), but I did a duathlon (run,bike,run) last weekend. I've been fitting my bike workouts into the days on my running plan that are "rest" or "strength/stretch" days. Or, sometimes if I have a short, easy run, I'll do a brick. I too don't want to lose my bike fitness, so I'm trying to keep it up as well as I can. Good luck! |
| 2008-10-02 4:03 PM in reply to: #1711623 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Olive Branch, MS | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question Yeah, I hear ya. I've been swimming on my "off" days, trying to give the 'ol dogs a rest. Guess I just have to get off my a** and ride. I guess I was looking for another answer. Don't think I'll ever find one though. |
| 2008-10-02 4:53 PM in reply to: #1711623 |
Champion 5782 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question Winter is generally my marathon training period (I only run LA Marathon at this point)...last winter, I devoted four months to mary training (Nov-Feb) and typically ran four times, biked three and swam once each week. Longest ride was probably less than 30 miles during that period. Did one reverse-sprint tri three weeks before the marathon. Was fourth in AG in that sprint and took one hour off my marathon time, so I'm probably going to stick with that 4:3:1 mix again this winter. |
| 2008-10-02 5:35 PM in reply to: #1713349 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Olive Branch, MS | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question tcovert - 2008-10-02 4:53 PM Winter is generally my marathon training period (I only run LA Marathon at this point)...last winter, I devoted four months to mary training (Nov-Feb) and typically ran four times, biked three and swam once each week. Longest ride was probably less than 30 miles during that period. Did one reverse-sprint tri three weeks before the marathon. Was fourth in AG in that sprint and took one hour off my marathon time, so I'm probably going to stick with that 4:3:1 mix again this winter. Sounds like a great formula!! |
| 2008-10-02 10:05 PM in reply to: #1711623 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Runners-World-Run-Less-Run-Faster/Bill-Pierce/e/9781594866494 this book seems to cover alot of things I been hearing lately. talks about only running 3 days and cycling or something else. I know I ran 4 marathon+ distance races in 8 weeks with only running 5 miles at 1 time. I ran alot but not alot at one time and I had alot of cross training. Also there is a rule of thumb that biking will help your running but running will not help your |
| 2008-10-03 6:19 AM in reply to: #1711623 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question I am training for CIM on 12/7 and am able to fit in two bike sessions per week. One on my day off (Run 6 days a week) and one on my shorter run days. Nothing too taxing, but it least it keeps my general bike fitness. I'm slightly injured now so am not able to keep to this exact formula, but I did it for Boston as well and had a great start to my '08 bike season. |
| 2008-10-03 7:26 AM in reply to: #1711623 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question you can do one steady ride as recovery from running and if your load/fitness allows it add one weekly threshold short set (20-30 min). that should allow you to maintain some of your cycling fitness |
| 2008-10-03 7:33 AM in reply to: #1714623 |
Expert 986 Michiana | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question amiine - 2008-10-03 8:26 AM you can do one steady ride as recovery from running and if your load/fitness allows it add one weekly threshold short set (20-30 min). that should allow you to maintain some of your cycling fitness Thanks Jorge for confirming this for me! 3 rides per week seemed like a little overkill when running 5X/week. However, I've been doing zero since Steelhead (8/2) while focusing on a 11/1 marathon. I guess, I'll just have to bear down on the trainer this winter to get my bike mojo back. |
| 2008-10-03 9:10 AM in reply to: #1714623 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Olive Branch, MS | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question amiine - 2008-10-03 7:26 AM you can do one steady ride as recovery from running and if your load/fitness allows it add one weekly threshold short set (20-30 min). that should allow you to maintain some of your cycling fitness Now this sounds doable. I guess using the trainer for the threshold session would be ok? |
| 2008-10-03 11:44 AM in reply to: #1711623 |
Master 1404 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question This is along the lines of run less, run faster.. I don't subscribe to that theory at all, but I do follow the 'First' program loosely. Look at the sample training schedule in the PDF http://www.furman.edu/first/2006%20marathon%20training-first%20marathon.pdf I run 4 days per week, and x train others. 1 day off. Bike was always on Sunday. I am attempting to BQ at Chicago next week. I agree that 3 rides per week is overkill during a ramp up period for a marathon with no other biking goal than to not lose bike specific fitness. |
| 2008-10-03 11:49 AM in reply to: #1715796 |
Extreme Veteran 391 Olive Branch, MS | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question atl_runner - 2008-10-03 11:44 AM This is along the lines of run less, run faster.. I don't subscribe to that theory at all, but I do follow the 'First' program loosely. Look at the sample training schedule in the PDF http://www.furman.edu/first/2006%20marathon%20training-first%20marathon.pdf I run 4 days per week, and x train others. 1 day off. Bike was always on Sunday. I am attempting to BQ at Chicago next week. I agree that 3 rides per week is overkill during a ramp up period for a marathon with no other biking goal than to not lose bike specific fitness. I am actually following the advanced version of this-loosely as well, as I have been running 4-5 days. I have just not made biking a high enough priority. I need to get this straightened out. Thanks for all the input. Edited by stateu 2008-10-03 11:50 AM |
| 2008-10-03 12:50 PM in reply to: #1715003 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question stateu - 2008-10-03 9:10 AM yup for those sessions the trainer is very convenient and allows you to push throughout and the sessions are short enough (total 40-60 min including warn up and cool down) that it is easier to handle mentally wise as the drainer can be boring amiine - 2008-10-03 7:26 AM Now this sounds doable. I guess using the trainer for the threshold session would be ok?you can do one steady ride as recovery from running and if your load/fitness allows it add one weekly threshold short set (20-30 min). that should allow you to maintain some of your cycling fitness  |
| 2008-10-03 12:57 PM in reply to: #1714640 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Bike during marathon training question mbmoran2 - 2008-10-03 7:33 AM That's going to be my plan once I start training and focus more on running for a marathon. I will start with I threshold trainer session and 1 easy/steady and see if I can handle more/less and go from there. The focus will be running hence that will be my priority but doing 1-2, 30-60 min threshold sessions x week should help me sustain cycling fitness and maybe even increse my power. amiine - 2008-10-03 8:26 AM you can do one steady ride as recovery from running and if your load/fitness allows it add one weekly threshold short set (20-30 min). that should allow you to maintain some of your cycling fitness Thanks Jorge for confirming this for me! 3 rides per week seemed like a little overkill when running 5X/week. However, I've been doing zero since Steelhead (8/2) while focusing on a 11/1 marathon. I guess, I'll just have to bear down on the trainer this winter to get my bike mojo back. |
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