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 2010-03-28 2:07 PM |
Master  1741     Chapel Hill, NC |  Subject: Why I didn't renewJust thought I'd share why I did not renew my BT membership... 1. This is the big reason. Garmin uploads are cumbersome. I've been checking out other workout log sites with Garmin uploads. Most other sites let you select your device, and then it uploads the workout to the correct date, all in one full sweep. If I do a multilap brick workout, then on BT, I have to upload a bunch of workouts one by one selecting the correct date and workout type for each one. It's actually just easier to type the heart rate data in manually, than going thru the upload process. I'm not getting all the zone data, but, I can get that from Garmin Training Center. 2. when adding meals in the nutrition tracker, the defaulted time is always 12 am. Would be very nice if that could be the current time of day. I've asked for this feature twice in the past. 3. no search for blog entries. I also asked for that once, and as far as I know, it's still not a feature. I miss the graphs, route history, the time in zone pie charts and the weather above my blog. But I don't miss those things enough to pay for membership. Just my 2 cents that I don't think you guys are keeping up with the other guys. Edited by keyone 2010-03-28 2:09 PM |
| 2010-03-28 3:14 PM in reply to: #2753572 |
Champion 13323  | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew regarding the Garmin, will have Mike chime in on that. On the nutrition, Mike has been spec'ing out our nutrition logger redesign and it will be a massive improvement. We would have to talk more on your suggestion as from what I understand, you would pretty much have to immediately log onto BT so that you can use the 'current time' for your meal you are adding? Though we do plan a mobile version late this year (we hope) where this idea would be a lot more applicable. What do others think? When you eat do you actually have quick access to a computer to take advantage of a possible 'use the current time as default' when creating a meal? Blog entry search, yes that has been requested by many for awhile. It's in the que but we just haven't got to it yet. On the way back from the MD expo Mike and I had a good discussion on how/when we can increase the programming time for the logs (another person, etc). Good input. Will keep trying our best. |
| 2010-03-28 6:17 PM in reply to: #2753672 |
Master 1741 Chapel Hill, NC | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew Ron - 2010-03-28 4:14 PM regarding the Garmin, will have Mike chime in on that. On the nutrition, Mike has been spec'ing out our nutrition logger redesign and it will be a massive improvement. We would have to talk more on your suggestion as from what I understand, you would pretty much have to immediately log onto BT so that you can use the 'current time' for your meal you are adding? Though we do plan a mobile version late this year (we hope) where this idea would be a lot more applicable. What do others think? When you eat do you actually have quick access to a computer to take advantage of a possible 'use the current time as default' when creating a meal? Blog entry search, yes that has been requested by many for awhile. It's in the que but we just haven't got to it yet. On the way back from the MD expo Mike and I had a good discussion on how/when we can increase the programming time for the logs (another person, etc). Good input. Will keep trying our best. Yes, I do log onto my BT account and log my meals right away. That way I can keep a tally how much allotted calories I have left in the day so I don't overeat. Thanks. |
| 2010-03-28 7:43 PM in reply to: #2753572 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew I actually find the 12:00AM time annoying as well, but, I also don't always log my meals right away. I also sometimes log my meals ahead of time. I tend to know what my 3 main meals will be and so that I know how much I have left for the day I go ahead and log those and just adjust time as I go. I don't think you'll ever please everyone on that one. What a lot of sites do is breakfast, lunch, dinner, and then snacks. Which is great if your not trying to track eating and workouts and how they all piece together. I think your on a lose lose thing there no matter what you do.  I for one am waiting with baited breath for your nutrition log updates. It's not the main reason I use the site and what is there is ok but needs some improvement for sure. One thing I would like to see is the ability to quick add a meal. I just want to enter it one time and not have it stored in my custom meals. I'd use that for something I would eat once or twice and never again (which happens a lot). I would also like to define my own favorites instead of your method of most used. I find foods I eat for a week cause I am using it up end up there and things I really want to stay in a quick list get rolled off. It would be nice to have the custom foods I enter be sorted or grouped by meal type as well. Hum, major hijack. Sorry. |
| 2010-03-28 8:05 PM in reply to: #2753572 |
Expert 711 | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew While we're on the topic, I haven't gotten a membership because I'm holding out for the iPod/iPhone app. I took two major hiatuses in the past year - a three month sideline with a broken ankle and then a three month detour due to work - and still no app?? Crazy. |
| 2010-03-28 11:35 PM in reply to: #2753927 |
Master 1632 Almost Canada, WA | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew keyone - 2010-03-28 1:17 PM Ron - 2010-03-28 4:14 PM regarding the Garmin, will have Mike chime in on that. Yes, I do log onto my BT account and log my meals right away. That way I can keep a tally how much allotted calories I have left in the day so I don't overeat. Thanks.On the nutrition, Mike has been spec'ing out our nutrition logger redesign and it will be a massive improvement. We would have to talk more on your suggestion as from what I understand, you would pretty much have to immediately log onto BT so that you can use the 'current time' for your meal you are adding? Though we do plan a mobile version late this year (we hope) where this idea would be a lot more applicable. What do others think? When you eat do you actually have quick access to a computer to take advantage of a possible 'use the current time as default' when creating a meal? Blog entry search, yes that has been requested by many for awhile. It's in the que but we just haven't got to it yet. On the way back from the MD expo Mike and I had a good discussion on how/when we can increase the programming time for the logs (another person, etc). Good input. Will keep trying our best. I don't use the nutrition log constantly but when I do, I add my meals right away so yes the current time thing would be great. I look forward to the updates as well...by chance, will we have the ability to add more than one custom food to the same meal without having to keep going back in to it and add them one by one? |
| 2010-03-29 8:02 AM in reply to: #2753572 |
Master 1480 Southwest Chicago 'burbs | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew Since we've seemed to devolve into a nutrition logging wish list post.... -- the ability to have it default to current time? For me? Wouldn't matter one bit. I enter everything under one meal, anyway. All I'm looking for at the end of the day is how many calories I managed to stuff in my mouth and the breakdown between carb/fat/protein. -- I would love the ability to manage my own favorites list. -- Creating custom foods -- I agree with one of the above posters -- it's a little clunky in that you create it, then end up back at the main nutrition screen rather than the meal you were editing. -- I know this has been talked about... dove-tailing the nutrition logs with the workouts so there's a Net Calories kind of calculation going on. I do this manually in the notes section of the Nutrition currently. -- Just as an FYI... the way I use it varies between week day or weekend. During the week I'll put in most of my food for the day in the morning because I've got it all planned out. Then I can see where I'm at and if I can sub something in or add something on. On the weekend I'll enter it after I've eaten, since I usually don't know what's on the menu for the day. either way I'm still entering it as one big meal. -- a thought, not sure of the merits of it: when displaying public foods entered by users, perhaps append the username of the person who entered it? Sometimes I do a search for a food and it'd be nice to see my own name on there if I've happened to enter it at some time before. Also - I imagine that some people are better than others at entering things accurately (there are public foods out there with 0 calories and such) and over time, you'd learn who are the names that you could trust. Also - with the current Most Used list, that can also help assure you that if you have the same food more than once, you're picking the same entry which then ups the chance that it stays on your Most Used list (am I making sense?) |
| 2010-03-29 10:52 AM in reply to: #2753572 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew Garmin uploads are cumbersome. I've been checking out other workout log sites with Garmin uploads. Most other sites let you select your device, and then it uploads the workout to the correct date, all in one full sweep. If I do a multilap brick workout, then on BT, I have to upload a bunch of workouts one by one selecting the correct date and workout type for each one. It's actually just easier to type the heart rate data in manually, than going thru the upload process. I'm not getting all the zone data, but, I can get that from Garmin Training Center. One of the goals of our design was speed in uploading. This is achieved by not uploading the full history that's on the device every time you click "upload" and then the server looking for new workouts which is a design I've seen used elsewhere. So for uploading one workout there is one extra click, but overall the process of uploading one new workout is much faster. I can see multiple bricks like B-R-B-R-B-R being a pain, but those are so rare I didn't think it would be much of an issue. Perhaps a "quick upload" button somewhere... Anyone else have thoughts on this? |
| 2010-03-29 11:19 AM in reply to: #2755176 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew Not sure if the though to make it more TrainingPeaks. There you have an external program that you can choose a device, download a workout and then send it to the appropriate days workout so you never have to open your log. I personally prefer the way BT does it where you go to your log and upload vs. the external program. |
| 2010-03-29 5:18 PM in reply to: #2755176 |
| Extreme Veteran 745 | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew marmadaddy - 2010-03-29 11:52 AM Garmin uploads are cumbersome. I've been checking out other workout log sites with Garmin uploads. Most other sites let you select your device, and then it uploads the workout to the correct date, all in one full sweep. If I do a multilap brick workout, then on BT, I have to upload a bunch of workouts one by one selecting the correct date and workout type for each one. It's actually just easier to type the heart rate data in manually, than going thru the upload process. I'm not getting all the zone data, but, I can get that from Garmin Training Center. One of the goals of our design was speed in uploading. This is achieved by not uploading the full history that's on the device every time you click "upload" and then the server looking for new workouts which is a design I've seen used elsewhere. So for uploading one workout there is one extra click, but overall the process of uploading one new workout is much faster. I can see multiple bricks like B-R-B-R-B-R being a pain, but those are so rare I didn't think it would be much of an issue. Perhaps a "quick upload" button somewhere... Anyone else have thoughts on this? The original poster made some very valid points. Uploading is not quick. Especially when it freezes and I have to restart the upload (after navigating off the page or forcing the page to refresh by saving.) It would be quick if BT could grab all the unloaded workouts and upload them in one shot. |
| 2010-03-29 5:27 PM in reply to: #2756470 |
Master 1632 Almost Canada, WA | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew bwingate - 2010-03-29 12:18 PM marmadaddy - 2010-03-29 11:52 AM Garmin uploads are cumbersome. I've been checking out other workout log sites with Garmin uploads. Most other sites let you select your device, and then it uploads the workout to the correct date, all in one full sweep. If I do a multilap brick workout, then on BT, I have to upload a bunch of workouts one by one selecting the correct date and workout type for each one. It's actually just easier to type the heart rate data in manually, than going thru the upload process. I'm not getting all the zone data, but, I can get that from Garmin Training Center. One of the goals of our design was speed in uploading. This is achieved by not uploading the full history that's on the device every time you click "upload" and then the server looking for new workouts which is a design I've seen used elsewhere. So for uploading one workout there is one extra click, but overall the process of uploading one new workout is much faster. I can see multiple bricks like B-R-B-R-B-R being a pain, but those are so rare I didn't think it would be much of an issue. Perhaps a "quick upload" button somewhere... Anyone else have thoughts on this? The original poster made some very valid points. Uploading is not quick. Especially when it freezes and I have to restart the upload (after navigating off the page or forcing the page to refresh by saving.) It would be quick if BT could grab all the unloaded workouts and upload them in one shot. I do agree that it freezes...A LOT!!! That is the only reason it takes me so long to upload ~ it usually freezes everything up a few times (to the point I have to close the browser and start all over) before finally getting it. |
| 2010-03-29 5:31 PM in reply to: #2756470 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew bwingate - 2010-03-29 6:18 PM marmadaddy - 2010-03-29 11:52 AM Garmin uploads are cumbersome. I've been checking out other workout log sites with Garmin uploads. Most other sites let you select your device, and then it uploads the workout to the correct date, all in one full sweep. If I do a multilap brick workout, then on BT, I have to upload a bunch of workouts one by one selecting the correct date and workout type for each one. It's actually just easier to type the heart rate data in manually, than going thru the upload process. I'm not getting all the zone data, but, I can get that from Garmin Training Center. One of the goals of our design was speed in uploading. This is achieved by not uploading the full history that's on the device every time you click "upload" and then the server looking for new workouts which is a design I've seen used elsewhere. So for uploading one workout there is one extra click, but overall the process of uploading one new workout is much faster. I can see multiple bricks like B-R-B-R-B-R being a pain, but those are so rare I didn't think it would be much of an issue. Perhaps a "quick upload" button somewhere... Anyone else have thoughts on this? The original poster made some very valid points. Uploading is not quick. Especially when it freezes and I have to restart the upload (after navigating off the page or forcing the page to refresh by saving.) It would be quick if BT could grab all the unloaded workouts and upload them in one shot. Do you have a Forerunner 305? This is an issue with Garmin Communicator and the 305 if you have too many workouts stored on the unit. If you regularly delete old workouts from the 305, it will prevent this from happening. |
| 2010-03-29 9:27 PM in reply to: #2753572 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew I think the current design of a single workout upload works well most of the time but the option for a mass upload would be nice too. I usually would only ever upload one workout but I was in Mexico for a week earlier this month and when I came back, it would have been nice to be able to just mass upload all of my runs from the week instead of going to each day and uploading. Maybe an option to mass upload all workouts in a given date range? That would take the requirement for the server to do any work trying to match up previously uploaded workouts out of the equation. |
| 2010-03-29 9:43 PM in reply to: #2756491 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Why I didn't renew Uploading is not quick. Especially when it freezes and I have to restart the upload (after navigating off the page or forcing the page to refresh by saving.) It would be quick if BT could grab all the unloaded workouts and upload them in one shot Do you have a Forerunner 305? This is an issue with Garmin Communicator and the 305 if you have too many workouts stored on the unit. If you regularly delete old workouts from the 305, it will prevent this from happening. I found the same thing. Once I deleted a lot of my old workouts the freezing stopped. |
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