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2011-03-13 11:11 AM

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Subject: Disaster Plan/Prepardness
How would you and your family survive after a disaster the likes that Japan is suffering.

Tell us what you have to help assure your family will have food, water and the other truly essentials.

VegasDiver and I don't consider ourselves survivalists, however we do think we need to be self reliant as much as possible if something unexpected happens.

Food we keep on hand

Rice 25 to 50 pounds
Dehydrated re-fried beans 1 to 2 cases,,,, Hey they are pretty good.
30 Galons of drinking water & a water purification system that will purify 100 gallons of nasty water.
3 propane tanks usually 2 at a minimum full.
The ability to smoke & cure a large quantity of meat usually have 10 to 20 pounds of meat in the freezer
Large supply of granola bars and similar items which we use on a regular basis anyway.
Large supply of spices and 10 pounds of salt, hey you gotta change up the refried beans & rice somehow.
A shelf of canned items including Spam.
The ability to defend our food stores, which we hope will never be necessar.
I read somewhere that canned beer is a good item for bartar, honnest that's the only reason we have a few cases on hand.

One item we have on our to get list is a small emergency generator.

What do you keep on hand for you & your family?


2011-03-13 4:45 PM
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In addition to a month's supply of non-perishable food and water I have a small array of solar panels and a battery bank to provide quiet energy.   The panels on a sunny day generate around 10 amp hours per hour over a six hour exposure.  I can  run  a couple of peltier coolers with it, computer, and cell phones.    Of course I have a gas grill, and in addition  I have played around with several solar cookers, and am in the process of building one using a small satellite dish.  Preliminary test are good, as I can generate temps up around 400 degrees with it.  I have a solar still to purify water.  These are easy to make.   I keep several gallons of chlorine bleach for cloudy days.  I have the camping gear needed.     I have had  jungle and desert survival training.  Still have the skills that is required of a scout/sniper.   For the past few years I have had a small garden, growing fresh vegetables.   I always have a seed supply.

 

I have the fire power to defend all of it if needed, and the training and experience of several deployments. As mention, I hope never to have to use them.

 

I'm not a survivalist in the traditional sense or do this for religious reasons, I'm just a former Marine who's seen the not so nice corners of the world. 

2011-03-13 5:54 PM
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Um, I don't even know where the batteries are for the flashlight.

Guess I better get to it!

2011-03-13 6:49 PM
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Funny that this popped up. My husband has been really upset by the happenings in Japan, which is a role reversal for us, I'm usually the one who stresses out and projects whenever natural disasters happen, and he is really concerned because I just moved out here to Tornado Central. No, seriously, google "Tornado Moore OK May 3 1999". It wiped entire towns off the map. I've not grown up with that, and so I'm having to really plan for the inevitable event that it will happen.

This past week the husband bought me a handcrank flashlight/radio/phone charger, a water sanitizing straw and water sanitizing drops. I keep a five gallon water bladder stored under my bathroom sink, a first aid kit in both bathroom and kitchen, and some small denomination bills in each kit.

Realistically, when the sirens go off, I'm taking my futon mattress into the bathtub, putting on my cycling helmet, and saying my prayers. I seriously hope this won't happen, but know it will. Oof.
2011-03-13 7:15 PM
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How often do you find you need to replace the food stores before their expiration date? I'm thinking rice will last quite awhile as will refried beans, but I'm guessing ever couple of years you need to replace them.

We have a generator, 3 refills of gas, propane tank, and backup, grill, matches, woods behind the house so firewood wouldn't be a problem, plenty of dried/canned goods in the basement.
2011-03-13 7:39 PM
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trigal38 - 2011-03-13 6:54 PM

Um, I don't even know where the batteries are for the flashlight.

Guess I better get to it!

This is us also!

 



2011-03-13 7:56 PM
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I'm pretty sure we wouldn't starve around here.  Our pantry is super-full all the time in spite of the fact I can never figure out what to cook for dinner.  We do have a whole house generator which will also run the well.  The limiting factor for us would be gasoline.  We usually have 2 gas cans full, but I really should get another.  Solar panels are intriguing, but I'm just not sure here in the northland we get enough sun. 
2011-03-13 7:58 PM
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wwlani - 2011-03-13 5:15 PM How often do you find you need to replace the food stores before their expiration date? I'm thinking rice will last quite awhile as will refried beans, but I'm guessing ever couple of years you need to replace them. We have a generator, 3 refills of gas, propane tank, and backup, grill, matches, woods behind the house so firewood wouldn't be a problem, plenty of dried/canned goods in the basement.


We bough a 50# bag of rice about 3 yrsa go and are still using it.

The beans we should be able to rotate through before go bad. They have a manufacture date on them but no expiration date.

The canned foods and such we use and rotate new in. About once every couple of months I'll open a can of spam to have instead of susage or bacon, when that pack gets about half gone well buy a new, 6 pack.

Here is a good resource on dehydrated/dried foods and their potential shelf life.

http://survivalacres.com/information/shelflife.html

We just did a pantry clean out the other day and found about 2 cans of soup well past the exp date and 3 cans of refried beans,,,,, they went by by.

Someone else mentioned keeping cash, that's a great idea as well.

It worries me to keep gasoline in our garage as hot as it gets here in the summer but that's a necessity as well.

A couple of things I don't think I listed that we have a large supply of as well are batteries, charcoal for the grill and mesquite wood for the smoker and grill.

Some things we don't have that we could are dehydrated milk, dehydrated butter, dehydrated fruits.

Thanks, keep em coming.
2011-03-13 10:19 PM
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Just a reminder about beer and gasoline.  The light American lagers have a very short shelf life.   If you wants a beer that lasts, then the highly hopped ales and the dark German beers are the best for that.  If you need to store gasoline for a month or more then a stabilizer is needed.

I prefer India Pale ale.   Been know to dabble a bit in zymurgy.   Have the equipment.   Yeast is the important thing to keep in supply.  One can use bread yeast in a pinch, but who wants to brew beer or wine that taste like bread.  

Standards must be upheld, even in an emergency....Cool

2011-03-13 10:58 PM
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As we live but a stone's throw from the San Andreas fault, I should probably take disaster preparedness very seriously.  Admittedly, I really haven't to the degree that it deserves, but I have done some things.  I experienced the Northridge quake at about ten miles from the epicenter, and I have firsthand experience of things bouncing off of my head, furniture falling over, and dishes being shattered.  The first thought that went through my head when that quake hit was that my apartment building had been struck by a freight train.

If the fault rips loose while we are still living here, I figure our two-story home will become a one-story home.  I merely hope that my wife and kids all come through unscathed.  I have anchored a number of pieces of bedroom furniture to studs using nylon straps and some long, beefy screws.  I don't know if they'd hold during an 8+ magnitude quake, but hopefully it will give anyone nearby enough time to get clear of them if it's even possible to move.  I still have a few pieces of other household furniture to go, and they've been on my to-do list for years.  I need to finish off that particular task.  The masonry chimney will undoubtedly tear loose from the house, hopefully not falling in on it.  I've thought about having it replaced, but really haven't looked into it seriously.

I would anticipate that both of our vehicles will be crushed when the upstairs collapses on the garage.  I'm banking on my in-laws still having a vehicle since they have a single-story home and park in their driveway.  I'm hoping that we could use a bedroom there if their home survives.

Our food pantry has enough food to get us through a few weeks if we ration.  We also keep several flats of individual bottled water at various places in the house (both up and downstairs).  I've got a number of flashlights, including some that don't require batteries.  I have a couple tents, air mattresses and sleeping bags, if I can get to them, that we could use if needed.  That's pretty much the extent of my preparation.
2011-03-14 5:21 AM
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tricrazy - 2011-03-13 8:39 PM
trigal38 - 2011-03-13 6:54 PM

Um, I don't even know where the batteries are for the flashlight.

Guess I better get to it!

This is us also!

 

X3Not prepared at all. When living in Florida we had a small food/water reserve during hurricane season and that was it. Now we aren't prepared at all.


2011-03-14 8:39 AM
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I got lots of toilet paper and laundry detergent.  (I sometimes go a bit crazy when the Costco coupons come out)  I'd say we are zero prepared.  Although I do know where my headlamp is.  Don't own a flashlight I don't think.  And I can cook no problem since I have camping stoves and fuel, plus a gas grill.  I usually have a fair amount of canned goods I guess (see earlier comment about Costco).  So, between camping gear and stuff I'd probably do ok (I can filter water if I can get water).  The pets are the bigger concern.
2011-03-14 11:51 AM
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I hate to be  a killjoy, but none of those supplies would do you any good under 6' of water or if your neigbors house is now sitting in your living room.

Don't stress out about things that are out of your control.

I am just amazed how well the building withstood an 8+ quake. If that were to happen in NYC the whole city would be leveled with very few surviors.

2011-03-14 11:59 AM
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BigRun - 2011-03-14 11:51 AM

I hate to be  a killjoy, but none of those supplies would do you any good under 6' of water or if your neigbors house is now sitting in your living room.

Exactly what I came here to say.

If your area experienced a true disaster, all of the preparedness in the world will do you no good. Your food/water/generator supply would be wiped out with the rest of the area.

I live in "tornado alley" and first, the chances your house will be hit by a tornado strong enough to flatten it are very slim. Second, if your house IS flattened, everything would be gone save for the basement, assuming you have one. A FEW supplies are smart to keep in a basement (but not a month's worth, that is just overkill IMO) such as emergency medication, first aid, etc... but response teams will likely be at your nonexistent door within the hour.

When the city of Greensburg, KS was literally wiped off the map by an EF5 tornado in 2007, response teams from the entire state and surrounding states were there within hours. You're not gonna starve in your basement if a tornado hits.



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2011-03-14 12:24 PM
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While I generally agree with the above statements there are cases where it is nice to be prepared.  For example, a few years back an ice storm brought down many power lines in Eastern Canada and it was weeks before many areas got power restored.  So to be able to "live off the grid" for a while is a good idea.  Ability to cook, ability to generate heat, etc.
2011-03-14 12:29 PM
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Having an "outside contact" is always a good idea too - someone who lives in another part of the country whom you can contact to say you survived - then THEY can update everyone else via phone calls, emails, facebook, whatnot. One less thing for you to do, as you likely will have other things to focus on.

I lived in an active earthquake zone for a few years, and had a good earthquake kit - various items stashed throughout the house (under my bed, in the closet, a kitchen cupboard, the garage, etc) ... I could have survived for a month without outside help, *IF* I had been able to access all of it. Unfortunatley in an earthquake (or tornado, or whatever else mother nature throws at us) you never know what part of the house is going to fall down, and what you'll be able to retrieve. The best I did was have on hand what I would have needed, and then left the rest to fate.

Although I will add good gloves and sturdy boots onto the list - in case you have to dig through rubble or walk through shattered glass. Also a facemask is never a bad idea.

 



2011-03-14 12:47 PM
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My plan is to run around in circles, waving my hands in the air and screaming "Ahh, Ahhh" Not practical, but it does present the sum total of what would be possible with what I currently have in reserve.
2011-03-14 1:35 PM
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The only thing we kinda think about and prepare for is to be able live without electric for 3 days or so.  That means candles and lighters/matches, which we always have either out or in the Christmas bin in the basement, flashlights with batteries,  and firewood to burn in our woodburing fireplace for heat if wintertime.  It has come in handy twice during the 25 years I've lived in MN, both times in the winter when heavy, wet snow/ice had us without power for 2 days.  Our pantry/freezer/fridge always has probably a weeks worth of food at a minimum if one isn't too picky.

I agree that with a true disaster that might strike us (fire, tornado or very unlikely flooding), emergency services would be available within hours following the initial disaster and that anything I might have on hand would probably be ruined or gone anyway.  I have bins of camping/backpacking equipment if we ever did need them.

2011-03-14 1:48 PM
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If this happened in my town specifically I would now have beach front property. They would be evacuating my town, as I live about 5 miles from a Nuc plant. I would have walked  to my sisters in Southington by now (if I had to), assuming her house is standing.

The only preparedness I have in my house is a couple of cans of tuna and soup, oh and some bags of chips. The thyroid blocker caps are sitting in a drawer somewhere in my kitchen.

 

2011-03-14 2:19 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-03-14 11:59 AM
BigRun - 2011-03-14 11:51 AM

I hate to be  a killjoy, but none of those supplies would do you any good under 6' of water or if your neigbors house is now sitting in your living room.

Exactly what I came here to say.

If your area experienced a true disaster, all of the preparedness in the world will do you no good. Your food/water/generator supply would be wiped out with the rest of the area.

I live in "tornado alley" and first, the chances your house will be hit by a tornado strong enough to flatten it are very slim. Second, if your house IS flattened, everything would be gone save for the basement, assuming you have one. A FEW supplies are smart to keep in a basement (but not a month's worth, that is just overkill IMO) such as emergency medication, first aid, etc... but response teams will likely be at your nonexistent door within the hour.

When the city of Greensburg, KS was literally wiped off the map by an EF5 tornado in 2007, response teams from the entire state and surrounding states were there within hours. You're not gonna starve in your basement if a tornado hits.

 

Agreed, we have a "Tornado" box.  It has a radio, candles, matches, flashlights, batteries and blankets, paper, pens, pencils, cards, uno and 5 dice.  In addition we have a small generator (1500W) that has already been used twice (6 days after wind storm and 3 days after ice storm).  Don't forget that your hot water heater contains likely 50-100 gallons of fresh clean water that can be used for drinking water.

2011-03-14 3:50 PM
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I agree with some others in that the "ground zero" of a major natural disaster (flood, landslide, tornado, hurricane) there would be little or no home standing. A stash of canned goods, water, and fuel would not do me much good scattered over a half mile and buried under mine and my neighbor's "homes" which are now piles of scrap wood. However, in something like a hurricane or major ice storm, many people are left with little or no damage to their homes, but are looking at days/weeks/months without power or clean water. Thankfully we were only without power for 4 days following hurricane katrina (I live 1.5 hours inland) and we had a supply of food, water and propane for cooking. 



2011-03-14 4:06 PM
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phoenixazul - 2011-03-13 6:49 PM

No, seriously, google "Tornado Moore OK May 3 1999". It wiped entire towns off the map. I've not grown up with that, and so I'm having to really plan for the inevitable event that it will happen.


I grew up in Moore, OK and have lived nearly my whole life (46 years) in the greater OKC area. In all that time, I've never experienced being in a tornado. While we do have a storm shelter in our home, we've never used it in the 17 years we've lived there.

This isn't to say that it doesn't happen, and shouldn't be something you be mindful of; but don't let it worry you beyond the normal level of awareness and preparation.

In no time you'll be outside with the rest of us watching the skies when the tornado sirens go off! haha
2011-03-14 4:42 PM
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Hello

I live on the SC coast so we kind of have a hurricane plan.

So today I did it. I ordered a water purification system and I am planning on getting 2 more cases of MRE's.  If I survive an earthquake/tidal wave we should be set.  I figure  if we have water and a limited supply of food we (wife & I) could survive for a couple of weeks until help arrives. 

 

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2011-03-14 4:58 PM
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For those who don't want to keep a month's supply should at least keep a 72 hr emergency kit that will fit into a backpack.   It's portable and can be kept in a hall closet or trunk of a car.

Those of us who lived through Katrina and it's effects know not to depend on the government for a quick response.    I remember living 60 miles inland from the Misssissippi Gulf Coast as  a kid and experiencing Camile.      We were without electricity for 12 days.  Clean water was scarce.

 

 

 

2011-03-14 8:12 PM
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Sooner Tri Guy - 2011-03-14 5:06 PM



In no time you'll be outside with the rest of us watching the skies when the tornado sirens go off! haha


Hah! You're not the only person who has said that to me. It's just something that is so foreign to me that I can't image it. I never experienced truly terrible weather like that in Pittsburgh, and Scotland only had gale force winds and rain. We just got a brand new siren tower up the street from me, and I heard it being tested for the first time last saturday and it made me jump out of my skin!

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