Buying a used car - should this worry us?
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2011-05-06 6:53 AM |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: Buying a used car - should this worry us? We're looking at used cars, and had pretty much decided on a 2008 Lexus from a local dealer. The Carfax report on the vehicle doesn't show any accidents or other issues with the car. However, we went to "MyLexus.com", entered the VIN and pulled up the service records on the car. These service records show a couple of things that concern us: 1) At around 17,000 miles: "REPLACED FRONT BUMPER, REAR BUMPER . REPAIRED R/R DOOR ( DENT WIZ) REPAIRED L/R" (cuts off there....) 2) At around 23,000, along with 5,000 mile service, all of the following were noted: "REPLACED EXHUST SYSTEM" "NSTALLED NEW HEIGHT SENSOR" "I AM AWARE OF MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE THE LICENSED REPAIR SHOP WHERE THE DAMAGE TO TH" (cuts off there...) "REPAIRED FRONT AND REAR OF VEHICLE// BOTH REAR VIEW MIRRORS ARE BROKEN" Does it sound like maybe this car was at least in a couple of fender-benders, or accidents that weren't reported to the owner's insurance company? If they weren't reported to insurance, would they not show up on the CarFax report? Would any of these discourage you from buying this car? We have driven the car, and it drives fine, and has been through the Lexus pre-owned certification inspection, but finding these issues in the service record makes us wonder if there is anything beneath the surface we should worry about.... WWBTD?? |
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2011-05-06 6:57 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? Dents in the side I wouldn't worry too much about but replacing both bumpers as well would get me concerned. Now, that being said I have a bent bumper and it was a pretty minor incident and it was nothing to cause concern about to the rest of the vehicle. So it isn't necessarily a bad accident that would cause an issue. |
2011-05-06 7:28 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? That sure looks like two accidents. Not much reason to replace an exhaust system, except for being damaged in a wreck. I'd absolutely bring that up and ask about it all...and see if maybe it's a salvage titled vehicle. |
2011-05-06 7:48 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? A Carfax report won't really show anything more than the title will. If the vehicle was damaged but insurance didn't pay on it, neither will necessarily show anything.
I have an 08 HHR on my lot right now that flipped 2 times into a ditch and had to have body work to every panel. It shows absolutely nothing on the title or the carfax. (Albeit anyone with a little car savvy will note the overspray, etc.)
Sounds like it was at least involved in a couple of incidents. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but it should certainly give you some leverage to negotiate the price. |
2011-05-06 7:48 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Extreme Veteran 1260 Miami | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? Are you getting a extremely good deal with this car that you couldn’t get anywhere else? Or is it just something that fell in your price range and you want to take advantage of the opportunity? If it is the second I would pass on the. Obviously the car was involved in accidents that weren’t reported to the insurance company. The ones that you described appear to be minor, but who knows what else wasn’t reported. The pre-certification process is designed to bring peace of mind to the potential buyer of a used car, but keep in mind that they are trying to sell the car no matter what. I had a friend that purchased a certified bmw, and later discovered that the rear passenger door wasn’t closing properly. An independent mechanic discovered that the chassis was misaligned due to an accident that the car had been in. |
2011-05-06 8:08 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 1946 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? Sounds like it's been wrecked pretty bad. Lexus is a solid brand but you get a lemon every now and then. Good job on your research. CarFax is a joke. |
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2011-05-06 8:23 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? Unless you are getting (or can get with your new info) a fan-freaking-tastic deal, I'd pass. I'm sure you can find a similar Lexus that is 3 years old (most common age for off lease vehicles), that has been through far less bumping and rubbing. |
2011-05-06 8:29 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? I'd pass as well, but then again, I am a new and not used car buyer. IME: The rubber bumper covers never repair well and will paint crack unless a very skilled technician did the work at an excellent body shop. The elasticizer ratio on the paint is a very narrow range to get it right. For the same money, could you get a new Toyota which is mechanically identical? |
2011-05-06 8:37 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? |
2011-05-06 8:54 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Veteran 145 Gahanna, OH | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? I'd pass on that deal! Sounds like a lot of future headaches and a skinnier wallet to me. |
2011-05-06 11:06 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 1517 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? i think someone tapped on this: Carfax is crap. My BMW has been in multiple accidents some due to stupidity and some due to track events, but the Carfax shows a clean record. woohoo! I paid for all my incidents out of pocket to avoid such reporting. There's ways to hide a "scratch"...just sayin Don't believe the hype. |
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2011-05-06 1:13 PM in reply to: #3485047 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? Sous - 2011-05-06 9:23 AM Unless you are getting (or can get with your new info) a fan-freaking-tastic deal, I'd pass. I'm sure you can find a similar Lexus that is 3 years old (most common age for off lease vehicles), that has been through far less bumping and rubbing. The price on this particular vehicle is slightly lower than other cars we've looked at with similar mileage and options. Of course, the dealer told us they had lowered the price because it had been on the lot for a while and they needed to make room for additional pre-owned vehicles.... now i suspect that was - errr, not entirely honest.... Since it's a "certified" car, it would still be covered under the Lexus pre-owned warranty (bumper-to-bumper, 3 years from our purchase or 100,0000 miles total on the car - whichever comes first). It's been through the Lexus "inspection" and "passed" as a certified car. I don't know if that should give us any reassurance or not... |
2011-05-06 1:26 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Expert 1087 Portland | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? replacing the exhaust is no small matter, what type of car is it? SUV? if it is I would be led to believe that the previous owners may have taken it into the woods and either 'wheeled it very hard or were not very good drivers and caused some damage. Those sound like running into trees/stumps, squeezing through a small space, and high centering. Regardless, This car was obviously ridden hard and put away wet, personally I would walk away as you are asking for trouble. Scratches are easy to hide, but replacing systems and sensor is VERY expensive, especial on luxury model cars. |
2011-05-06 1:39 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 1436 Wilmington | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? I would pass on this car, sounds dicey. I would pay alittle more than deal with dealing repairs and dealer again to fix the things you find once you leave the lot. I would ask for the black book value of that car and compair that car to the others you seen that are more and THEN you will see true value and why it has not sold |
2011-05-06 2:21 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? Okay - We have some additional info.... Hubby was able to call the Lexus dealer that actually did these repairs. The first repair (17,000 miles), the owners had the bumpers repaired or replaced because of some kind of parking lot schmutz... purely cosmetic... The second, the repair @ 23,000 said it looked like the driver had been rear ended and pushed into a car in front of them. The accident bent something in the exhaust system causing it to need replacement. Both bumpers were replaced, but damage to the car was relatively minor and there was no frame damage. It also looks like the previous owner did all of their regularly scheduled service at their Lexus dealer, and had the service done at the recommended intervals... So maybe it's not so bad after all?? |
2011-05-06 3:16 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Champion 7554 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? I'd certainly not pay a premium for such a car, but for the right price...sure! I didn't notice the sticker on the door when we bought our Taurus wagon that it had been repurchased by Ford. I did notice that the front strut towers weren't perfect, but no biggie. We've had it for 8 years and 130,000 more miles and I don't see getting rid of it within the next 3 years. |
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2011-05-06 3:20 PM in reply to: #3485811 |
Master 2380 Beijing | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? jsnowash - 2011-05-05 3:21 PM Okay - We have some additional info.... Hubby was able to call the Lexus dealer that actually did these repairs. The first repair (17,000 miles), the owners had the bumpers repaired or replaced because of some kind of parking lot schmutz... purely cosmetic... The second, the repair @ 23,000 said it looked like the driver had been rear ended and pushed into a car in front of them. The accident bent something in the exhaust system causing it to need replacement. Both bumpers were replaced, but damage to the car was relatively minor and there was no frame damage. It also looks like the previous owner did all of their regularly scheduled service at their Lexus dealer, and had the service done at the recommended intervals... So maybe it's not so bad after all?? Bumpers are designed to: 1. Absorb energy in low-speed crashes to prevent damage to body-panels and people. 2. Be replaced after 1. If replacement was bumpers and and the hanging parts of the exhaust system, and the owner did (and recorded) all of the other maintenance..... I'd buy that vehicle for a "fair" price. The car's not mint or original, so don't pay mint/original price for it. I would buy with as much confidence as I would buy any used car. The presence of a warranty is an added bonus in this case. Edited by moondawg14 2011-05-06 3:24 PM |
2011-05-06 3:20 PM in reply to: #3485811 |
Master 2380 Beijing | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? |
2011-05-06 5:21 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 2356 Fenton, MI | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? I'd run from this car. |
2011-05-06 5:25 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? From the tone of your posts, you want this car. You'll always regret not buying this car because you want a reason to do so. Then do it; it will satisfy your curiosity and you'll feel validated that you made the right decision despite the outcome. |
2011-05-06 5:51 PM in reply to: #3486072 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? pitt83 - 2011-05-06 6:25 PM From the tone of your posts, you want this car. You'll always regret not buying this car because you want a reason to do so. Then do it; it will satisfy your curiosity and you'll feel validated that you made the right decision despite the outcome. Meh, I don't think that's necessarily true... We did like the car when we saw and test drove it, but there are certainly other cars out there... The price being asked for the car is fair, even with it's somewhat checkered history. We had concerns that it might have hidden damage we were unaware of, but after doing some additional research, we feel pretty confident that the damage the car incurred was relatively minor, and other than that, the service records show that the car has been well maintained (better than we have done with our cars, I think....). After doing more digging, I think it's a safe purchase... |
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2011-05-06 5:58 PM in reply to: #3486097 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? jsnowash - 2011-05-06 6:51 PM pitt83 - 2011-05-06 6:25 PM From the tone of your posts, you want this car. You'll always regret not buying this car because you want a reason to do so. Then do it; it will satisfy your curiosity and you'll feel validated that you made the right decision despite the outcome. Meh, I don't think that's necessarily true... We did like the car when we saw and test drove it, but there are certainly other cars out there... The price being asked for the car is fair, even with it's somewhat checkered history. We had concerns that it might have hidden damage we were unaware of, but after doing some additional research, we feel pretty confident that the damage the car incurred was relatively minor, and other than that, the service records show that the car has been well maintained (better than we have done with our cars, I think....). After doing more digging, I think it's a safe purchase... There you have it. enjoy! |
2011-05-07 1:09 AM in reply to: #3484899 |
Master 1929 Midlothian, VA | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? My first thought was the previous owner kept getting caught cheating on his wife... |
2011-05-07 4:59 AM in reply to: #3486418 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? faded_memories - 2011-05-07 2:09 AM My first thought was the previous owner kept getting caught cheating on his wife... Wait... you think this was Tiger's car?? |
2011-05-08 7:52 PM in reply to: #3484899 |
Expert 1233 | Subject: RE: Buying a used car - should this worry us? I am always amazed at these situations. You wanted to purchase a vehicle, and trusted that the CPO (which requires you to have faith that the dealer's inspection was actually more than a routine check) means something, the dealer never mentioned anything else about the car. You used great sense finding another resource that indicated undisclosed information. The dealer, who actually did all the work on the car but did not tell you up front, then confirms the damage, but insists it was just 'minor'. They probably also said; "And if there is any problem, just bring it back and we'll fix it, you have our word". Skip the car, and skip this dealer. |
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