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2011-10-20 11:33 PM

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Subject: Why is it so bad to up your run mileage too quickly?
I'm pretty new to all of this, so it's probably a dumb question.  But what's the problem with increasing your run mileage too quickly?  Risk of injury?  Burnout?  I've gotten pretty used to doing 3 miles (run/walk) while I was training for my first sprint tri.  Now that the tri is over, my friend and I are planning to sign up for a 10k on Thanksgiving Day.  So this week, I started upping my miles.  One day I did 4.5, and today I did 5.  And I feel fine.  I'd like to start hitting 6 and then 7 soon, so is that a terrible idea?  I'm doing a warm-up and cool-down, and I'm pretty stinkin' slow, but hoping to get faster as I build more endurance.  I've only been running for the past 4-5 months if it matters.


2011-10-20 11:37 PM
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If you already had a 5K base, going up to a 10K quickly isn't a problem.  It's really not that far of a distance.  However, when you are going beyond a 10K, you really should mileage build about 15% per week.  The purpose is injury prevention.  You need to get your muscles to understand what's going on.  It also strengthens ligaments, tendends and bones!  I've known several people to NOT mileage build and end up with stress fractures in their tibia and fibia.

In short - mileage build if you plan on increasing past a 10K.  You'll only help yourself.

2011-10-20 11:39 PM
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Injury risk is the main concern.

The 10% per week guideline that is often mentioned is nothing more than that. Some can handle more, some less. Also, intensity matters, such that high intensity workouts are more stressing on the body than easy miles. 

How often are you running currently? Do you have the room to add more days per week? And are you going to be in a position to do the workouts as all running (as slow as needed), rather than run/walk?

2011-10-20 11:50 PM
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One day I did 4.5, and today I did 5.  And I feel fine."

Yes, the normal result in upping mileage too fast is injury.  It won't happen in 2 runs, or even two weeks of runs.  It usually happens right when you're feeling terrific.  So good that you pretty much ignore that little pain in your hip, or foot, or shin, etc.  then it gets worse.

But- go for it.  in order to improve, you need to put some new stresses on your body.  Just listen to what your body has to say in return.  You should finish each and every one of your runs with the feeling that you could do more (except race day- then, leave it all on the course).

2011-10-21 4:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Why is it so bad to up your run mileage too quickly?
Just to elaborate on the other posts - The guideline is 10%. The reason for it is that your cardiovascular system will adapt faster than your joints and connective tissues will, so you can end up being able to run harder and longer than they can handle. Building faster than your joints and connective tissues can adapt can be like putting a big engine into a small car without reinforcing the chassis or upgrading the transmission - something's going to break under the increased power.
2011-10-21 5:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Why is it so bad to up your run mileage too quickly?
Injuries... most common would be stress fractures and IT band issues for runner. Both will put you out of running for everything from a few weeks to a few months (depending how bad it gets).

Increase volume by 10% per week and periodize your training (i.e. add 10% per week for 3 weeks, keep volume at week 4 the same as week one, week 5 increase volume by 10% from week 3, etc. This will allow your body to properly recover and gain the advantage of the mileage you're putting in)


2011-10-21 6:38 AM
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Honestly, IMO, if you're doing a run/walk combo, depending on how much of your run/walk is "run" and how much is "walk", you might be fine building up distance a little more quickly. If you incorporate more walking as you build your distance, you will probably be okay. Once you're up to the mileage you want and can maintain it for a few weeks, then you could start thinking about increasing the amount of time you run vs walk. Just be careful, and if anything starts to hurt, back off for a little bit before you begin to build again.
2011-10-21 6:46 AM
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The last 2 post are spot on in my opinion!

I didn't have the types of injuries mentioned in those posts but I had had an ACL reconstruction and the meniscus tears that go with it and a quick mileage increase WITHOUT the 4th week recovery (as mentioned above) cause me to re-injure one of the meniscus and have another surgery.

Stick to the above 2 posts and you'll be fine.

2011-10-21 6:51 AM
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TriMyBest - 2011-10-21 4:17 AMJust to elaborate on the other posts - The guideline is 10%. The reason for it is that your cardiovascular system will adapt faster than your joints and connective tissues will, so you can end up being able to run harder and longer than they can handle. Building faster than your joints and connective tissues can adapt can be like putting a big engine into a small car without reinforcing the chassis or upgrading the transmission - something's going to break under the increased power.
^^^^^^^This is why. And connective tissues can take a very long time to heal.

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2011-10-21 8:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Why is it so bad to up your run mileage too quickly?
A friend of mine has a saying that I think is appropriate here.

It ain't the mileage that breaks ya.


In other words, it's not the increase in miles that causes injury. It's the increase in miles coupled with the intensity at which those miles are run. Here's why:

When you run, the higher the intensity level, the longer the recovery period. If you run for an hour at a moderate effort level, it will take you longer to recover than if you had done it at an easier effort level. But, even with an easy effort level, especially for someone who is relatively new to running, the recovery is going to take time. If you keep upping the mileage and don't adjust the intensity downwards, eventually you dig yourself into a hole, and that's when you get injured. You have not given your body enough time to develop, repair, and adapt to the stresses you are imposing upon it.
2011-10-21 9:00 AM
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Scout7 - 2011-10-21 6:12 AM A friend of mine has a saying that I think is appropriate here. It ain't the mileage that breaks ya. In other words, it's not the increase in miles that causes injury. It's the increase in miles coupled with the intensity at which those miles are run. Here's why: When you run, the higher the intensity level, the longer the recovery period. If you run for an hour at a moderate effort level, it will take you longer to recover than if you had done it at an easier effort level. But, even with an easy effort level, especially for someone who is relatively new to running, the recovery is going to take time. If you keep upping the mileage and don't adjust the intensity downwards, eventually you dig yourself into a hole, and that's when you get injured. You have not given your body enough time to develop, repair, and adapt to the stresses you are imposing upon it.

Bingo.  Did this in April.  Still paying the price six months later.  I decided to bump my base run mileage by about 15-20%, and upped my pace from 9-9:15 min/mile to 8:15-8:30 at the same time.  I knew that I was risking an injury, but wrongly figured that I would feel it coming on and that it would just be my typical achilles strain which I could rest for a couple of weeks.  Anyway, I had planned to do this for a couple weeks and then back off.  But by the end of two weeks, I had caused myself a new problem, which I still haven't shaken, even with some long layoffs.  Anyway, not looking for pity, just reinforcing your point.  When it comes to intensity and volume, up one, but back off on the other.  Both at the same time isn't a good idea.



2011-10-21 9:34 AM
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Just to throw my own experience on this.  I was running around 20-25 miles a week through the summer and decided.  Hey, I'm going to run a lot more to get faster.  I ran 12 miles one day and then ran another 12 miles the next day.  10 miles into the second day my IT band started hurting really bad and I had severe knee pain on the outside of my left knee.
I was down for the count for a couple weeks and it almost kept me from doing my first Oly Tri.

Fortunately I let it heal and I'm fine now, but I learned the hard way that I need to gradually increase my mileage.   

2011-10-21 10:00 AM
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well lets see, first i had trouble with calf pain, then achillis tendonitis, now osteitis pubis and i cant run anymore, to much to fast with a combination of weak core muscles, sold my beloved tri bike and now riding a road bike with no running. take it slow and work on your core.
2011-10-21 11:48 AM
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Physical injuries aside, I think the effects of psychological over-training are worth mentioning.  Scout is right (as usu.), so there's a chance you won't get physically injured. But then you run the risk of getting cranky, your sleep being thrown off, & in worse case, you'll start feeling depressed. This, at least, has been my experience, e.g. going from 30 mpw to 50. No injury, but definitely NOT in the best of moods. DON'T KILL YOUR RUNNER'S HIGH!!!!
2011-10-21 12:36 PM
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morey000 - 2011-10-21 12:50 AM "
One day I did 4.5, and today I did 5.  And I feel fine."

Yes, the normal result in upping mileage too fast is injury.  It won't happen in 2 runs, or even two weeks of runs.  It usually happens right when you're feeling terrific.  So good that you pretty much ignore that little pain in your hip, or foot, or shin, etc.  then it gets worse.

This is exactly what happened to me.  I tried ramping up my milage too fast getting ready for a marathon and it was in the middle of a tempo run where I was flying effortlessly and feeling AMAZING that my IT Band finally went so bad I could run again at ALL for months.  I'm STILL not where I was, run-fitnees wise.

So in the words of Treebeard, "Don't be hasty."

2011-10-21 4:01 PM
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colinphillips - 2011-10-20 9:39 PM

Injury risk is the main concern.

The 10% per week guideline that is often mentioned is nothing more than that. Some can handle more, some less. Also, intensity matters, such that high intensity workouts are more stressing on the body than easy miles. 

How often are you running currently? Do you have the room to add more days per week? And are you going to be in a position to do the workouts as all running (as slow as needed), rather than run/walk?

I have been running about 3 times/week, which was only about 9 mpw.  I'm looking to up that to about 15 mpw or so.  The workout I did yesterday (treadmill) looked about like this...

10 minutes: walking warm-up

2 minutes at 5.5 mph

2 minutes walking at 4 mph

1 minute at 7 mph

2 minutes walking at 4 mph

1.5 minutes at 6.2 mph

2 minutes walking at 4 mph

Rinse and repeat for an hour

Finally, 10 minute cool down walking

So, I'd like to do 4-5 miles about 4 times/week.  I just feel like I really need to focus on running for the winter because I'm painfully slow and just don't have enough endurance.  I have a hard time running for a long stretch without stopping to walk, and I want to fix that.  I've only run a straight mile ONE time in my life, and that was about a month ago.  I really want to be able to run a few miles straight without walking.  I was the slowest one in my tri training course this fall, and it drove me nuts.  I just don't want to be the slowest person in the class in the spring.  Is that crazy?



2011-10-21 4:07 PM
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Back off your intensity.  You don't need to be do anything at 7 or 6.2 mph right now.  Have you tried to see if you went down to say 5 mph or even less if you could just run continuously? 
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I agree 7 mph is way to fast for 9 miles per week.  If you want to do more you can run your 3, 3, 3, and walk 1, week 1, then 3,4,3, walk 2, then 3,4,3,2 walk 2,  then 3,4,4,3,walk3, 3,5,3,4,2... etc.  Once you get to 25-30 mpw for say 3 months you can start focusing on adding in temp runs and mile repeats.



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2011-10-21 4:23 PM
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COSkiGirl - 2011-10-21 5:07 PM

Back off your intensity.  You don't need to be do anything at 7 or 6.2 mph right now.  Have you tried to see if you went down to say 5 mph or even less if you could just run continuously? 


I agree with all of this.

Now, as to your specific issue, which I read as you want to get faster, read this.
2011-10-21 4:26 PM
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COSkiGirl - 2011-10-21 4:07 PM Back off your intensity.  You don't need to be do anything at 7 or 6.2 mph right now.  Have you tried to see if you went down to say 5 mph or even less if you could just run continuously? 

Right, go for 5 mph or so.  Just enough to shuffle your feet so that it's not a walk.  You need to be running continuously a lot more before you try to go faster.

2011-10-21 4:45 PM
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COSkiGirl - 2011-10-21 4:07 PM Back off your intensity.  You don't need to be do anything at 7 or 6.2 mph right now.  Have you tried to see if you went down to say 5 mph or even less if you could just run continuously? 

Right, go for 5 mph or so.  Just enough to shuffle your feet so that it's not a walk.  You need to be running continuously a lot more before you try to go faster.

It just isn't very fun to shuffle along, LOL.  There's something about bursting out with some speed that makes me feel like I'm not a complete slacker.  I'll try the shuffling, though, and see how it goes.

So, I need to actually get to where I can keep up a slow run pace before I do the speed stuff, then?  I was under the impression that "interval" training (I think that's what I was doing?) can help build my endurance because it's teaching my lungs to recover from more effort, thus making that shuffling pace more do-able.  You wouldn't think that running would be so confusing!



2011-10-21 4:49 PM
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We make it confusing.

Run training is actually quite simple. Run lots, mostly easy, sometimes hard.

You're trying to run lots (for you), some easy, some hard. That's not going to get you where you want to be.
2011-10-21 6:56 PM
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Follow a plan don't wing it.

Running 9 miles a week isn't a lot you need to be careful.

2011-10-21 7:30 PM
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MoniqueGriffith - 2011-10-21 5:45 PM 

So, I need to actually get to where I can keep up a slow run pace before I do the speed stuff, then?  I was under the impression that "interval" training (I think that's what I was doing?) can help build my endurance because it's teaching my lungs to recover from more effort, thus making that shuffling pace more do-able.

Yes, just start with the shuffle, if that's what you're able to keep running continuously. Keep doing it for a while and you'll find that it will start to become less shuffle-like.

2011-10-21 8:14 PM
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MoniqueGriffith - 2011-10-21 3:45 PM
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COSkiGirl - 2011-10-21 4:07 PM Back off your intensity.  You don't need to be do anything at 7 or 6.2 mph right now.  Have you tried to see if you went down to say 5 mph or even less if you could just run continuously? 

Right, go for 5 mph or so.  Just enough to shuffle your feet so that it's not a walk.  You need to be running continuously a lot more before you try to go faster.

It just isn't very fun to shuffle along, LOL.  There's something about bursting out with some speed that makes me feel like I'm not a complete slacker.  I'll try the shuffling, though, and see how it goes.

So, I need to actually get to where I can keep up a slow run pace before I do the speed stuff, then?  I was under the impression that "interval" training (I think that's what I was doing?) can help build my endurance because it's teaching my lungs to recover from more effort, thus making that shuffling pace more do-able.  You wouldn't think that running would be so confusing!

Eventually yes intervals can help you build speed but at your mileage level simply running regularly will help you increase speed.  Endurance build comes from the run more, mostly easy part.  

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