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 2011-10-28 8:10 AM |
 Bronze member |  Subject: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusionSomeone tell me how to put this all together. I'm a little confused. I own a Garmin 305 with heart rate monitor, KK trainer and I've just imported Jorge's cycling plan to my training plan. I have never trained by heart rate but I don't mind learning. Can the traineroad stuff and Jorge's plan work together or do I just need one or the other? Do I need to buy something else? I need someone to hold my hand and tell me what to do LOL. |
| 2011-10-28 8:52 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
Champion  10019  , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion What is traineroad? |
| 2011-10-28 9:01 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion Makes your regular trainer more like a computrainer. Read more from DCRainmaker if my link will work: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2011/09/inside-look-at-trainerroad-way-to-make.html
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| 2011-10-28 9:04 AM in reply to: #3742031 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion Oh, ok. I can't help, but hopefully the bump will get someone's attention. |
| 2011-10-28 9:18 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
Expert 1322  Savannah | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion The two can work together. You can track your heartrate in trainerload just as you would your HRM. Use jorge's plan, and just track it in trainerload if you like. I am assuming that you're not trying to do Jorge's plan and one of the pre-loaded plans in trainerroad simultaneously. As a sidenote: since you're using trainerload and it calculates virtual power just like the "speed-to-power" conversion table does in jorge's plan...you could effectively train by power instead of heart rate. I hope that makes sense and I hope I just didn't confuse you more. Either way good luck and embrace the pain! |
| 2011-10-28 9:21 AM in reply to: #3742064 |
Extreme Veteran 655  Victoria | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion mktoson - 2011-10-28 7:18 AM The two can work together. You can track your heartrate in trainerload just as you would your HRM. Use jorge's plan, and just track it in trainerload if you like. I am assuming that you're not trying to do Jorge's plan and one of the pre-loaded plans in trainerroad simultaneously. As a sidenote: since you're using trainerload and it calculates virtual power just like the "speed-to-power" conversion table does in jorge's plan...you could effectively train by power instead of heart rate. I hope that makes sense and I hope I just didn't confuse you more. Either way good luck and embrace the pain! From the first post I assumed she doesn't have a GSC-10 so would have to do it by HR. I could be wrong though. Edited by ubersteiny 2011-10-28 9:39 AM |
| 2011-10-28 9:24 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
Master 1793 Essex Jct, VT | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion I know the folks at TrainerRoad were interested in importing Jorge's plan into their pre-loaded workouts. If that doesn't happen then you can use one of the "Free Rides" and just hit the targets that are in Jorge's plan. |
| 2011-10-28 9:27 AM in reply to: #3742073 |
Expert 1322 Savannah | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion ubersteiny - 2011-10-28 10:21 AM mktoson - 2011-10-28 7:18 AM The two can work together. You can track your heartrate in trainerload just as you would your HRM. Use jorge's plan, and just track it in trainerload if you like. I am assuming that you're not trying to do Jorge's plan and one of the pre-loaded plans in trainerroad simultaneously. As a sidenote: since you're using trainerload and it calculates virtual power just like the "speed-to-power" conversion table does in jorge's plan...you could effectively train by power instead of heart rate. I hope that makes sense and I hope I just didn't confuse you more. Either way good luck and embrace the pain! From the first post I assumed he doesn't have a GSC-10 so would have to do it by HR. I could be wrong though. Good point. I did take that assumption. Edited by mktoson 2011-10-28 9:28 AM |
| 2011-10-28 9:35 AM in reply to: #3742073 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion ubersteiny - 2011-10-28 10:21 AM From the first post I assumed he doesn't have a GSC-10 so would have to do it by HR. I could be wrong though. From the first post, I assumed "he" was a she.
No help on the OP's question, though. |
| 2011-10-28 9:40 AM in reply to: #3742097 |
Extreme Veteran 655 Victoria | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion JohnnyKay - 2011-10-28 7:35 AM ubersteiny - 2011-10-28 10:21 AM From the first post I assumed he doesn't have a GSC-10 so would have to do it by HR. I could be wrong though. From the first post, I assumed "he" was a she.
No help on the OP's question, though. Just woke up and haven't had my coffee yet so I blame that. |
| 2011-10-28 9:44 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion trigal38 - 2011-10-28 9:10 AM Someone tell me how to put this all together. I'm a little confused. I own a Garmin 305 with heart rate monitor, KK trainer and I've just imported Jorge's cycling plan to my training plan. I have never trained by heart rate but I don't mind learning. Can the traineroad stuff and Jorge's plan work together or do I just need one or the other? Do I need to buy something else? I need someone to hold my hand and tell me what to do LOL. You could pick up an ANT+ speed (or speed/cadence) sensor (Garmin, Bontrager, cyclops, etc.) and use trainerroad's "virtual power" option. I just picked up a garmin speed/cadence sensor for $30 on Amazon, I think the others are also pretty reasonably priced. |
| 2011-10-28 10:18 AM in reply to: #3742073 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion ubersteiny - 2011-10-28 9:21 AM mktoson - 2011-10-28 7:18 AM The two can work together. You can track your heartrate in trainerload just as you would your HRM. Use jorge's plan, and just track it in trainerload if you like. I am assuming that you're not trying to do Jorge's plan and one of the pre-loaded plans in trainerroad simultaneously. As a sidenote: since you're using trainerload and it calculates virtual power just like the "speed-to-power" conversion table does in jorge's plan...you could effectively train by power instead of heart rate. I hope that makes sense and I hope I just didn't confuse you more. Either way good luck and embrace the pain! From the first post I assumed she doesn't have a GSC-10 so would have to do it by HR. I could be wrong though. No, I don't have the GSC-10 but I don't mind buying it. Is that the cadence sensor? |
| 2011-10-28 10:19 AM in reply to: #3742097 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion JohnnyKay - 2011-10-28 9:35 AM ubersteiny - 2011-10-28 10:21 AM From the first post I assumed he doesn't have a GSC-10 so would have to do it by HR. I could be wrong though. From the first post, I assumed "he" was a she.
No help on the OP's question, though. LOL - funny, yes I am a she |
| 2011-10-28 10:22 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion p.s. I forgot to add, if you use the cadence sensor, you'll also need an ANT+ USB stick so trainerroad can pick up your HR and/or speed/cadence transmission. (I think I may actually have 2 ANT USB sticks, PM me if you're interested in buying one of them. I'll give you a good deal....) Edited by jsnowash 2011-10-28 10:27 AM |
| 2011-10-28 10:24 AM in reply to: #3742125 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion jsnowash - 2011-10-28 9:44 AM trigal38 - 2011-10-28 9:10 AM You could pick up an ANT+ speed (or speed/cadence) sensor (Garmin, Bontrager, cyclops, etc.) and use trainerroad's "virtual power" option. I just picked up a garmin speed/cadence sensor for $30 on Amazon, I think the others are also pretty reasonably priced. Someone tell me how to put this all together. I'm a little confused. I own a Garmin 305 with heart rate monitor, KK trainer and I've just imported Jorge's cycling plan to my training plan. I have never trained by heart rate but I don't mind learning. Can the traineroad stuff and Jorge's plan work together or do I just need one or the other? Do I need to buy something else? I need someone to hold my hand and tell me what to do LOL. This just cleared things up a little. I kept thinking the ANT+speed and Speed/Cadence sensor were 2 different things. See, I'm technically challenged. Took me 3 tries to get Jorge's plan into my training log on the correct day I forgot I also have a Trek Incite cycling computer with a Bontrager cadence sensor on my road bike. Would that eliminate me having to buy anything else? Since I bought my Garmin and tri bike I don't really use this much anymore. Seems like a waste to buy another cadence sensor. |
| 2011-10-28 10:25 AM in reply to: #3742231 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion jsnowash - 2011-10-28 10:22 AM p.s. I forgot to add, if you use the cadence sensor, you'll also need an ANT+ USB stick so trainerroad can pick up your HR and/or speed/cadence transmission. HA HA - it IS 2 different things!
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| 2011-10-28 10:31 AM in reply to: #3742237 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion trigal38 - 2011-10-28 11:24 AM jsnowash - 2011-10-28 9:44 AM trigal38 - 2011-10-28 9:10 AM You could pick up an ANT+ speed (or speed/cadence) sensor (Garmin, Bontrager, cyclops, etc.) and use trainerroad's "virtual power" option. I just picked up a garmin speed/cadence sensor for $30 on Amazon, I think the others are also pretty reasonably priced. Someone tell me how to put this all together. I'm a little confused. I own a Garmin 305 with heart rate monitor, KK trainer and I've just imported Jorge's cycling plan to my training plan. I have never trained by heart rate but I don't mind learning. Can the traineroad stuff and Jorge's plan work together or do I just need one or the other? Do I need to buy something else? I need someone to hold my hand and tell me what to do LOL. This just cleared things up a little. I kept thinking the ANT+speed and Speed/Cadence sensor were 2 different things. See, I'm technically challenged. Took me 3 tries to get Jorge's plan into my training log on the correct day I forgot I also have a Trek Incite cycling computer with a Bontrager cadence sensor on my road bike. Would that eliminate me having to buy anything else? Since I bought my Garmin and tri bike I don't really use this much anymore. Seems like a waste to buy another cadence sensor. What you really need for the virtual power is the SPEED sensor (has to be ANT+, though). Cadence is not really necessary for virtual power, but the Garmin sensor gives you both (you will need the ANT+ USB stick regardles...) |
| 2011-10-28 10:40 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
Expert 1322 Savannah | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion Here's the two device referred to in this thread... First, an ANT+ speed/cadence sensor (which your Bontrager sensor might be, I'm not sure)? http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Speed-Cadence-Bike-Sensor/dp/B000BFNOT8 Second, the ANT+ USB stick (which plugs into the USB port on your computer, required if you want to use trainerroad) http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-10999-00-USB-Ant-Stick/dp/B000UO9KSY Like it's been said before, these devices aren't needed for jorge's program. You'll be fine with just a HRM. But they can be just in addition to if you like/want that type of additional data.
Edited by mktoson 2011-10-28 10:41 AM |
| 2011-10-28 11:13 AM in reply to: #3741903 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion |
| 2011-10-28 2:19 PM in reply to: #3742279 |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion Is the ANT + USB stick compatible with the Garmin 305? Everything that I see says that it is not compatible. Is anybody currently using the discussed setup with a 305? |
| 2011-10-28 3:09 PM in reply to: #3742706 |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion rymac - 2011-10-28 3:19 PM Is the ANT + USB stick compatible with the Garmin 305? Everything that I see says that it is not compatible. Is anybody currently using the discussed setup with a 305? Found my answer over on that other message board |
| 2011-10-28 3:49 PM in reply to: #3741903 |
Extreme Veteran 601 Cold Spring, NY | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion I would definitely get the speed/cadence sensor for $30 to train with *power* unless the sensor you already have is compatible. I've been working off of last years plan and tried a couple of days using HR. Its very frustrating to try to do intervals this way and be at all consistent unless the intervals are long enough. While people more knowledgable than me will debate whether it is accurately calculating power, I find the effort-to-speed to be consistent on a trainer. |
| 2011-10-28 3:53 PM in reply to: #3742825 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion bdenehy - 2011-10-28 1:49 PM I would definitely get the speed/cadence sensor for $30 to train with *power* unless the sensor you already have is compatible. I've been working off of last years plan and tried a couple of days using HR. Its very frustrating to try to do intervals this way and be at all consistent unless the intervals are long enough. While people more knowledgable than me will debate whether it is accurately calculating power, I find the effort-to-speed to be consistent on a trainer. If you cannot use power I would use HR but I would mostly use RPE. Jorge has a chart that compares the two. Cause HR just doesn't work on the shorter intervals, plus it takes a bit for the HR monitor to catch up so it is really hard to dial in. RPE is easy though. Combined you can learn a lot about how your effort affects your HR and eventually you can settle into a effort and just know your HR (+/- a few) without even looking |
| 2011-10-28 4:01 PM in reply to: #3742772 |
| Bronze member | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion rymac - 2011-10-28 3:09 PM rymac - 2011-10-28 3:19 PM Is the ANT + USB stick compatible with the Garmin 305? Everything that I see says that it is not compatible. Is anybody currently using the discussed setup with a 305? Found my answer over on that other message board Oh! I never would have thought of that. Thanks! I might have to go to that other message board and ask if I can use my bontrager sensor. Scary, I've never ventured to the dark side...... |
| 2011-10-28 4:29 PM in reply to: #3742840 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: 305, Jorge's plan, traineroad = confusion trigal38 - 2011-10-28 5:01 PM rymac - 2011-10-28 3:09 PM rymac - 2011-10-28 3:19 PM Is the ANT + USB stick compatible with the Garmin 305? Everything that I see says that it is not compatible. Is anybody currently using the discussed setup with a 305? Found my answer over on that other message board Oh! I never would have thought of that. Thanks! I might have to go to that other message board and ask if I can use my bontrager sensor. Scary, I've never ventured to the dark side...... Do you know which Bontrager sensor you have? From what I can tell, they make a bunch of different sensors - some are for speed only, some for cadence only, some for both. And not all of them are ANT+ (but most are). Again, what you need for TrainerRoad is an ANT+ SPEED sensor, an ANT+ USB stick, and a computer (the 305 plays no part in the equation for using TrainerRoad). |
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