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2005-12-16 12:14 PM

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Subject: Can I gripe for just one freakin second.

1. Yes, I am 23. Yes, you are 40. Yes, I am your supervisor. Yes, I know more than you. Get over it. QUIT making comments about my age. It's annoying.

2. Dear Co-workers, my name is not honey, sweetie, baby, "sweet-pea", "worker bee" or any other thing that you deem appropiate. My name is Brandy. It always has been and always will be. Yes I am young and cute, but that does not change the fact that my name is BRANDY NOT anything else.

I don't want to have to get old to get some respect around here. It's not the people in my department, its people outside of my department. I've been here longer than all but 2 of my co-workers (7 1/2 years) so my department recognizes my knowledge. Its just these temps that we have and the people in other departments that I've met since I've been here in Denham Springs.



Edited by justalittletri 2005-12-16 12:15 PM


2005-12-16 12:19 PM
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Brandy...meet your HR department. HR...Brandy.

Seriously...don't for a second put up with that crap. Talk to someone. 

2005-12-16 12:21 PM
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Get 'em canned ...... it is inappropriate and offensive to you.

The bosses will take your word over theirs any day BECAUSE of your time and experience with the business.

Go get 'em Brandy!!
2005-12-16 12:21 PM
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justalittletri - 2005-12-16 12:14 PM

1. Yes, I am 23. Yes, you are 40. Yes, I am your supervisor. Yes, I know more than you. Get over it. QUIT making comments about my age. It's annoying.

2. Dear Co-workers, my name is not honey, sweetie, baby, "sweet-pea", "worker bee" or any other thing that you deem appropiate. My name is Brandy. It always has been and always will be. Yes I am young and cute, but that does not change the fact that my name is BRANDY NOT anything else.

1. Oh, I hear ya. I'm a youngun in my office too. No, I don't want to tell you about my bday, because then you make a big deal about being 10-15 years older than me. SO ANNOYING.

2. Throw it back at em, sarcastically.  After they ask you to do something or for help or whatever and use a term of endearment, answer with the SAME term of endearment. That should nip that in the bud.  Worked for me. The only person allowed to call me honey is my husband. the only person allowed to call me by my nickname is my parents, no exceptions.

 

 

2005-12-16 12:23 PM
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run4yrlif - 2005-12-16 12:19 PM

Brandy...meet your HR department. HR...Brandy.

Seriously...don't for a second put up with that crap. Talk to someone. 

I do, I correct them on the spot in a very stern voice and serious mean glaring eyes. It's just annoying.

2005-12-16 12:25 PM
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If you ask them to cut it out, and they don't, they should get their hats handed to them. It's harrassment and it's illegal.

If they don't cut it out, and if your HR people don't do anything about it, find an attorney.

Sorry...but I hate this crap. 

 

justalittletri - 2005-12-16 1:23 PM
run4yrlif - 2005-12-16 12:19 PM

Brandy...meet your HR department. HR...Brandy.

Seriously...don't for a second put up with that crap. Talk to someone.

I do, I correct them on the spot in a very stern voice and serious mean glaring eyes. It's just annoying.



2005-12-16 12:27 PM
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Yea, that sucks big time. Unfortunately, there's always going to be some kind of race, gender, age or another disparity in this world. To think otherwise is unrealistic. Pretty sad if you think about it.
2005-12-16 12:27 PM
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Daremo - 2005-12-16 12:21 PM Get 'em canned ...... it is inappropriate and offensive to you. The bosses will take your word over theirs any day BECAUSE of your time and experience with the business. Go get 'em Brandy!!

Yeah, I've told myself that if they do it again after a second warning I will report them. No one has yet to cross me. It's just what is it about my look that makes people want to be nice to me? I'm not a nice person, I am strictly business. Period.

2005-12-16 12:28 PM
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Ooh, I agree with run4yrlife....if you've been correcting them and it did nothing, time for bigger action. That is pure crap. Show them how serious a respectable 23 year old female can be.  You don't take my corrections seriously, I'll make you.
2005-12-16 12:29 PM
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run4yrlif - 2005-12-16 12:25 PM

If you ask them to cut it out, and they don't, they should get their hats handed to them. It's harrassment and it's illegal.

If they don't cut it out, and if your HR people don't do anything about it, find an attorney.

Sorry...but I hate this crap. 

 

justalittletri - 2005-12-16 1:23 PM
run4yrlif - 2005-12-16 12:19 PM

Brandy...meet your HR department. HR...Brandy.

Seriously...don't for a second put up with that crap. Talk to someone.

I do, I correct them on the spot in a very stern voice and serious mean glaring eyes. It's just annoying.

It's mostly the older women that work for me though. And I know I am in the south and that is just apart of how they were raised, but I am your supervisor, I am NOT your friend, show me a little respect.



Edited by justalittletri 2005-12-16 12:30 PM
2005-12-16 12:32 PM
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It usually doesn't happen after I correct them, but I just don't get, what is it about my "sweet and innocent" face that solicates such feeling of familiarity to them. I know your daughter is my age, I don't care.


2005-12-16 12:32 PM
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OK so you have been there 7.5 years...23 minus 7.5 is 15.5. What kind of business is this and how did you get started at 15?

Sweetie.
2005-12-16 12:33 PM
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speedball - 2005-12-16 12:32 PM OK so you have been there 7.5 years...23 minus 7.5 is 15.5. What kind of business is this and how did you get started at 15? Sweetie.

Well my birthday is in a few weeks, I'll be 24, I started at 16, and I work at the bank that Capital One just bought from Louisiana - Hibernia.

2005-12-16 12:36 PM
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justalittletri - 2005-12-16 11:27 AM

It's just what is it about my look that makes people want to be nice to me? I'm not a nice person, I am strictly business. Period.



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It is wrong what they are doing, but I think you are a nice person (end stalking)
2005-12-16 1:01 PM
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If I can just point a little something out here. I am a manager too, albeit a project manager, but I have a little experience with influencing people who are older, more experienced and way more knowledgeable in their areas than I am.

As a rule, I don't like to carry a big stick. It is only as a last resort that I would ever tell somebody that they must do something because I say so. I never "demand" respect, because that can seem petty and often results in less respect rather than more.

My read of your situation is that correcting people right away has not had the desired effect. What might be more effective is to stop, as soon as somebody says "sweetie" or whatever, and give them a smile and say, "can I just talk to you for a second?" Then, go somewhere private (a conference room) and say, "It is very important for me that we maintain a professional work environment here. Part of that is that we address each other in terms that are respectful and appropriate. I feel that 'sweetie' is an inappropriate way to address a supervisor. From now on, please address me as justalittletri and I will address you as 'idiot', 'turdblossom', 'moron' or 'halfwit'."

You can also do it in front of other workers, provided you can be professional and not grit your teeth or shake when you say it. They smell fear, I tell ya, you have to cool as a cucumber.

2005-12-16 1:33 PM
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the only person allowed to call me by my nickname is my parents, no exceptions.

What's your nickname??? 



2005-12-16 1:53 PM
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I bet it's pebbles.

2005-12-16 2:08 PM
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On the one hand, I can understand you. I am now 44, but when I was 23, I was wearing my navy-blue-dress-for-success suit and sensible pumps to work and would get deflated when men who had worked for the company longer than I had been on the planet would call me "honey" and "darlin". I just worked that much harder to prove myself and it paid off in some nice promotions---eventually. I never DEMANDED anyone's respect. I worked extra hard to earn it.

On the other hand, (from the viewpoint of the women you're complaining about), I would look at some 23-year-old who (in my view) was trying act overly important as a twit and I would probably smile and call her "honey" just to irritate her. And I wouldn't want to be your friend, either. And if you reported me to HR for calling you "Honey". OMG. Watch your back.

As a veteran of the business world, the best advice that I can give you as a professional woman is this: Be NICE to everyone under you. The people who work under you have the power to push you up the corporate ladder. They also have the power to stab you in the back and enjoy it when you fall.

I think the advice that was given earlier about having a private talk with the person and kindly asking them to call you by your proper name is good advice. If you keep trying act tough, then you will make enemies.

2005-12-16 2:22 PM
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Bettylou - 2005-12-16 2:08 PM On the other hand, (from the viewpoint of the women you're complaining about), I would look at some 23-year-old who (in my view) was trying act overly important as a twit and I would probably smile and call her "honey" just to irritate her. And I wouldn't want to be your friend, either. And if you reported me to HR for calling you "Honey". OMG. Watch your back. 

Bettylou you seem to know my exact dilema. I seem to have no problem telling the men to call me by my name, but it's the women, that I know they are saying harmless words. It just feels like when people use those words it is lowering me.  I don't know.



Edited by justalittletri 2005-12-16 2:23 PM
2005-12-16 2:28 PM
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Forget the nice ****** If you are not being shown respect, return the favor. Passive aggressive garbage like that is having the desired effect and you're upset. Write them up for using derogitory descriptives when refering to a supervisor. If your worried about getting stabbed in the back, stab them in the face.
2005-12-16 2:30 PM
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tmwelshy - 2005-12-16 2:28 PM If your worried about getting stabbed in the back, stab them in the face.

Oh my! that's the best!



2005-12-16 2:33 PM
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I have a way with words... (see Wahoo)
2005-12-16 2:35 PM
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I need to save this thread and repost it in 20-30 years.
2005-12-16 2:41 PM
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Brandy,

Take a deep breath and try to step away from the problem for a moment. See it from the point of view of How to be an Effective Manager versus a personal attack on you.

Demanding that someone else communicate with you on your terms is folly. Trying to demand respect is folly. No one is going to give you respect unless they feel respect for you.

Try to give them a little latitude. Adopt a sense of humor. Be less brittle. If they call you Sweetie, reply with "Babydoll" or "Sugarcakes." Be friendly. Being friendly, even if especially when someone is trying to push your buttons, is a simple way to gain an advantage. When you are looser and more at ease, you have the advantage. Being uptight and easily provoked gives them the advantage.

A good manager relates to many different types of personality. Their subordinates happily comply with their direction/work orders. A rigid manager demands that everyone relate to her (or him) on her own terms; this manager is often ridiculed, ignored and undermined. Which manager do you want to be? An effective manager or an ineffective manager?



Edited by Renee 2005-12-16 2:46 PM
2005-12-16 2:44 PM
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I am a 39 year old female and work in a male dominated career (I'm a mechanic). If you want respect, don't wait until you "get old" to get it, because it doesn't just happen. Don't take their garbage or they will never respect you. Nip it in the bud, or decide you are just going to passively live with it. Tell them once, then take action. You will probably only have to make an example out of one person, then the rest will get the hint. But remember, you have to keep it professional yourself. There are women here who want to play with the boys, but they want respect too, and you just can't have it both ways.
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