UAE Running American Ports?
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() What do ya'll think about this? Personally, I'm not sure what to think. Bush says Americans "don't need to worry about security." But I thought the message ever since 9/11 was that we most definitely need to worry about security. Two 9/11 terrorists were form the UAE, but of course it's not fair to judge an entire nation by the actions of two of its citizens. But on the other hand, lots of 9/11 monet yas held in baks in Dubai, and terrorist intelligence was traded there as well. To me it seems risky, and something I didn't expect from this administration. Edited by run4yrlif 2006-02-23 11:33 AM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I feel like a a-hole for saying this but I do not want ANY foreign company responsible for our ports security. I think this responsibility should be handled by a American company or government agency. Why don't we give the contract to Haliburton? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() piggpen35 - 2006-02-23 9:38 AM I feel like a a-hole for saying this but I do not want ANY foreign company responsible for our ports security. I think this responsibility should be handled by a American company or government agency. Now that, I can't disagree with. But if it is going to a foreign country, it just seems just anti-Muslim to DQ the UAE. Our country has people who do horrible things and the banks here hold money that is used for horrible things, but it doesn't really seem like that's the governments fault. (does the UAE have state-run banks? If they're private, I can't see why the government is at fault... I'll admit that I'm not well-versed on the details of UAE's involvement in 9-11. Willing to have my mind changed.)
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Do you want ANY private company in charge of security? Some things should just remain in government control. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bush is right on this one and its being blown all out of proportion. It is the operation of the ports that the UAE company would run. Security would still be handled by the Coast Guard and Customs and the ports would still be worked by American workers.. Most of our ports are already run by foreign companies. The ports in question are being run by a British company right now which is being sold the the UAE company. Only reservations I would have is that the UAE company is state owned, otherwise I don't see what the big deal is. |
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Science Nerd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() From what I've heard, the private companies aren't in charge of security. That still falls to the Coast Guard and some other federal government things. The fact of the matter is that there are already foreign countries that are incontrol of some of the ports. It doesn't seem right to be against this one just because they are from UAE. I feel like people should be against all of them. Security is a concern for me, but it's a concern whether or not this company takes over the ports. I don't think enough has changed to make security better. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() drewb8 - 2006-02-23 11:51 AM Bush is right on this one and its being blown all out of proportion. It is the operation of the ports that the UAE company would run. Security would still be handled by the Coast Guard and Customs and the ports would still be worked by American workers.. Most of our ports are already run by foreign companies. The ports in question are being run by a British company right now which is being sold the the UAE company. Only reservations I would have is that the UAE company is state owned, otherwise I don't see what the big deal is. just wanted to repeat something: THEY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PORT SECURITY. im suprised at the antimuslim talk coming from our politicians, esp democrats. i see this as proof that they all have lost their fing minds and just want to fight bush on ANY issue. BUSH had nothing to do with this, there is a seperate commitee that handles this. (and then people bagged on him for "not knowing" they kill me) The UAE company works with isreals shipping company, and they have a long standing relationship. it sickens me that BC its a muslim company politicians are all over this. my elected officals that have been airing these antimuslim views i will vote out of office the next time they are up for reelection. this is like the argument back in WW2 about if "blacks" were smart enough to fly planes. The fact that hijackers were connected to the UAE is the same as saying "i dont want ANY US government printing to go through kinkos BC the hijackers had printing of flight manuals done at kinkos, and used their internet for planning." or a couple of the hijackers lived in florida, so i dont trust them. WHY ISNT ANYONE SAYING THIS OVER GERMANY, were some of the hijackers were in school and then went to afganistan to train? This issue is so lame. for as "updated" and open as our society is, we still have a long way to go; and its said that a hard core republican has to be the one to say it...... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The port in Abu Dhabi, is one of the busiest yet most effecient ports in the world. I am sure their goal is to do the same with their US interest. Besides we have to keep them happy, maybe they will up their production in oil and our prices can go down.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Completely agree with you Tyrant, but the good liberal in me wanted to add two points: 1) As many or more repubs are going crazy about this as dems 2) Its kind of a case of Bush reaping what he sows. He's been playing the fear card of terrorist attacks ever since 9/11 and using that fear to say that he's the best person to protect us, spy without warrants, torture, etc. Now when he wants to say, "no really, we are safe" he's surprised when people question it... |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BUSH had nothing to do with this, there is a seperate commitee that handles this. (and then people bagged on him for "not knowing" they kill me) Tyrant, Although I agree that this issue is not a big deal at all, Bush did know. The commitee responsible for this decision was comprised of Condy, Rumsfeld, Hadley and I think one other person. With that line up you can be sure Bush knew. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The UAE will not be managing the ports. A company based in the UAE will be managing the ports. The labor pool actually running the ports are Americans and those who have been granted work visas. Security background checks apply. The Administration says this has been examined/scrutinized/vetted. I'm comfortable with that. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Isn't the company state-owned? Renee - 2006-02-23 1:25 PM The UAE will not be managing the ports. A company based in the UAE will be managing the ports. The labor pool actually running the ports are Americans and those who have been granted work visas. Security background checks apply. The Administration says this has been examined/scrutinized/vetted. I'm comfortable with that. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2006-02-23 12:28 PM Isn't the company state-owned? Renee - 2006-02-23 1:25 PM The UAE will not be managing the ports. A company based in the UAE will be managing the ports. The labor pool actually running the ports are Americans and those who have been granted work visas. Security background checks apply. The Administration says this has been examined/scrutinized/vetted. I'm comfortable with that. state owned the way i own microsoft. i am a shareholder, i exert almost no controll over them, i just want them to make me money. UAE is a country who refuses to even talk or recognize isreal, but this shipping company works with isreal, and has a long good history...... not much influence.... drewb8 - 2006-02-23 12:16 PM Completely agree with you Tyrant, but the good liberal in me wanted to add two points: 1) As many or more repubs are going crazy about this as dems 2) Its kind of a case of Bush reaping what he sows. He's been playing the fear card of terrorist attacks ever since 9/11 and using that fear to say that he's the best person to protect us, spy without warrants, torture, etc. Now when he wants to say, "no really, we are safe" he's surprised when people question it... i sisnt say he knew nothing, even though when this first broke, that was the claim "how can he be protecting us when he doesnt even know that this went on." my point is that its not that he alone did this deal, the way its been shown, "bush arranges UAE port deal." about them being crazy my point is that when the "PC" party who is all about pollitical correctness, and equality is this far to the right its scary for their party. as for #2, isnt it the liberals who say "all this fear is BS, he is just scaring us." but at the same time THEY are throwing the baby out with the bath water.... Edited by tyrant 2006-02-23 12:37 PM |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2006-02-23 12:28 PM Isn't the company state-owned?
The deal would transfer the leases for ports in New York, Baltimore and Miami, among others, from a British-owned company to one controlled by the government of Dubai, part of the United Arab Emirates. But the security of the ports is still the responsibility of Coast Guard and Customs officials. Foreign management of American ports is nothing new, as the role already played by companies from China, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan and trading partners in Europe attests. While critics of the deal have raised the specter that it might open the way to the "infiltration" of American ports by terrorists from the Middle East, the Dubai company would in most cases inherit a work force that is mainly American, with hiring subject to the same regulations as under the current British management. AND THIS: "I'm not worried about who is running the New York port," a senior inspector for the International Atomic Energy Agency said, insisting he could not be named because the agency's work is considered confidential. "I'm worried about what arrives at the New York port." That port, along with the five others Dubai Ports hopes to manage, are the last line of defense to stop a weapon from entering this country. But Mr. Seymour, head of the subsidiary now running the operations, says only one of the six ports whose fate is being debated so fiercely is equipped with a working radiation-detection system that every cargo container must pass through. Closing that gaping hole is the federal government's responsibility, he noted, and is not affected by whether the United Arab Emirates or anyone else takes over the terminals. It seems to me to be some opportunistic Henny Pennyism from the Democrats; and the Republicans are being weak in taking up the same cry. It caters to racism and our worst natures. During the 90s, the Republic of Panama awarded port lease/management to China (or, a Chinese government-owned port management company). People in the US (including Rushbaugh and the usual reactionary suspects) cried out that we are making ourselves vulnerable to Chinese missiles just a few hours south of US land; that the Chinese would have control over what goods make transit through the Canal. As far as I know, the Chinese have not launched any missiles at the US from the Panamanian ports, nor have they restricted the transit of goods. Edited by Renee 2006-02-23 12:54 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This company already does stevedoring work in ports all over the world. If someone thinks this is a security issue, they should worry about what goes into US-bound containers in other parts of the globe. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tyrant - 2006-02-23 9:06 AM drewb8 - 2006-02-23 11:51 AM Bush is right on this one and its being blown all out of proportion. It is the operation of the ports that the UAE company would run. Security would still be handled by the Coast Guard and Customs and the ports would still be worked by American workers.. Most of our ports are already run by foreign companies. The ports in question are being run by a British company right now which is being sold the the UAE company. Only reservations I would have is that the UAE company is state owned, otherwise I don't see what the big deal is. just wanted to repeat something: THEY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PORT SECURITY. im suprised at the antimuslim talk coming from our politicians, esp democrats. i see this as proof that they all have lost their fing minds and just want to fight bush on ANY issue. BUSH had nothing to do with this, there is a seperate commitee that handles this. (and then people bagged on him for "not knowing" they kill me) The UAE company works with isreals shipping company, and they have a long standing relationship. it sickens me that BC its a muslim company politicians are all over this. my elected officals that have been airing these antimuslim views i will vote out of office the next time they are up for reelection. this is like the argument back in WW2 about if "blacks" were smart enough to fly planes. The fact that hijackers were connected to the UAE is the same as saying "i dont want ANY US government printing to go through kinkos BC the hijackers had printing of flight manuals done at kinkos, and used their internet for planning." or a couple of the hijackers lived in florida, so i dont trust them. WHY ISNT ANYONE SAYING THIS OVER GERMANY, were some of the hijackers were in school and then went to afganistan to train? This issue is so lame. for as "updated" and open as our society is, we still have a long way to go; and its said that a hard core republican has to be the one to say it...... Not to be contrary, because we all know that that's not my way.... This could be a reason why politicians can't stand Muslims. (206-2.gif) Attachments ---------------- 206-2.gif (6KB - 3 downloads) |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-23 12:56 PM tyrant - 2006-02-23 9:06 AM drewb8 - 2006-02-23 11:51 AM Bush is right on this one and its being blown all out of proportion. It is the operation of the ports that the UAE company would run. Security would still be handled by the Coast Guard and Customs and the ports would still be worked by American workers.. Most of our ports are already run by foreign companies. The ports in question are being run by a British company right now which is being sold the the UAE company. Only reservations I would have is that the UAE company is state owned, otherwise I don't see what the big deal is. just wanted to repeat something: THEY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PORT SECURITY. im suprised at the antimuslim talk coming from our politicians, esp democrats. i see this as proof that they all have lost their fing minds and just want to fight bush on ANY issue. BUSH had nothing to do with this, there is a seperate commitee that handles this. (and then people bagged on him for "not knowing" they kill me) The UAE company works with isreals shipping company, and they have a long standing relationship. it sickens me that BC its a muslim company politicians are all over this. my elected officals that have been airing these antimuslim views i will vote out of office the next time they are up for reelection. this is like the argument back in WW2 about if "blacks" were smart enough to fly planes. The fact that hijackers were connected to the UAE is the same as saying "i dont want ANY US government printing to go through kinkos BC the hijackers had printing of flight manuals done at kinkos, and used their internet for planning." or a couple of the hijackers lived in florida, so i dont trust them. WHY ISNT ANYONE SAYING THIS OVER GERMANY, were some of the hijackers were in school and then went to afganistan to train? This issue is so lame. for as "updated" and open as our society is, we still have a long way to go; and its said that a hard core republican has to be the one to say it...... Not to be contrary, because we all know that that's not my way.... This could be a reason why politicians can't stand Muslims. wow... its a sad day when chucky has to stick up for the liberals.... PS: Jim you got on this WAY late... this is so old news now... |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Chucky, source for that Gif? It's a nice pretty picture that seems to say something, but it's kinda vague. I note the UAE is also not on there.
The whole thing is stupid. This is why I detest most politicians. It's nothing more than a political "hey look at me" manufactured bruhaha.
The company that currently is operating in these ports is being aquired by a UAE based holding company. They are *not* responsible for security. The same US workers who work at those ports for the British company that is being bought will continue to work there doing the same job. They are going to pay US citizens/workers to unload containers from container ships. <sarcasm> Wow. OMG. National Security threat! Code Red! Send in the Marines! </sarcasm>
If the 9/11 terrorists used Chase Manhattan, would we call for scrutiny of every merger aquisition undertaken by Chase? Many of the 9/11 meetings occured in Germany. Shall we ban BMW from importing cars to the US because of their "ties to terrorism"?
The politicians are playing chicken little here, and the sad thing is that the American public is letting them get away with it. Truly a sad day indeed. I wholeheartedly support Bush on this, and hope he backs up his veto promise if anyone is inane enough to actually push through legislation aimed at blocking this. -Chris |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() coredump - 2006-02-23 1:14 PM Chucky, source for that Gif? It's a nice pretty picture that seems to say something, but it's kinda vague. I note the UAE is also not on there.
The whole thing is stupid. This is why I detest most politicians. It's nothing more than a political "hey look at me" manufactured bruhaha.
The company that currently is operating in these ports is being aquired by a UAE based holding company. They are *not* responsible for security. The same US workers who work at those ports for the British company that is being bought will continue to work there doing the same job. They are going to pay US citizens/workers to unload containers from container ships.
If the 9/11 terrorists used Chase Manhattan, would we call for scrutiny of every merger aquisition undertaken by Chase? Many of the 9/11 meetings occured in Germany. Shall we ban BMW from importing cars to the US because of their "ties to terrorism"?
The politicians are playing chicken little here, and the sad thing is that the American public is letting them get away with it. Truly a sad day indeed. I wholeheartedly support Bush on this, and hope he backs up his veto promise if anyone is inane enough to actually push through legislation aimed at blocking this. -Chris ***clapping*** |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() coredump - 2006-02-23 10:14 AM Chucky, source for that Gif? It's a nice pretty picture that seems to say something, but it's kinda vague. I note the UAE is also not on there. Source: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=206 Nothing vague about it. A large Muslim contingent thinks that suicide bombings are not only acceptable, but justifiable. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tyrant - 2006-02-23 10:11 AM wow... its a sad day when chucky has to stick up for the liberals.... I'm not sticking up for them. I'm trying to explain our politicians aversion to Islam. One could justify their disfavor. I couldn't care less how it turns out. edited to say: As an Objectivist Libertarian, I think I'm considered a liberal ![]() Edited by ChuckyFinster 2006-02-23 1:31 PM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the link to the source data.
The actual questions and responses, are bit more complex than the simplistic graphic.
Here's the full questionairre and the responses: http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaires/206.pdf ( See question 13 on page 11 ) What was asked was 'What about suicide bombings carried out against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq?" With only two choices 'Justifiable and Not Justifiable'. Not quite what the graphic purports.
Of course, the simplistic graphic helps if you're trying to stir up racial/ethnic/religious prejudice so I can see why it was used. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-23 1:30 PM tyrant - 2006-02-23 10:11 AM wow... its a sad day when chucky has to stick up for the liberals.... I'm not sticking up for them. I'm trying to explain our politicians aversion to Islam. One could justify their disfavor. I couldn't care less how it turns out. edited to say: As an Objectivist Libertarian, I think I'm considered a liberal ![]() not by what you say around here.... must be a right leaning liberal... |
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