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2011-12-22 8:22 PM

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I thought I would post this as I think many people might find it valuable. I had the chance to work with Dr G (Dr. Genadijus Sokolovas)...you can google to get all his credentials but basically he's pretty much "the man" when it comes to Olympic swimming and on the very forefront of swimming technique. This was an unbelievable opportunity.

We did four quick swimming power tests. The order in the video is pull, kick, swim, sight.

The test was at our goal race pace. Given that I'm a triathlete, I tried to go at mile pace. I would suspect it was just a touch faster given the excitement on the test.

Here is the video of the power test

Here is a video of a quick analysis he did for me

Here are the complete recommendations he gave me. One thing to note...he does not tell you what you are doing right. Only things you do wrong and how to correct them. So you pretty much leave there thinking you absolutely have no clue how to swim...lol.

SWIM POWER TEST                                                          Date: November 20th, 2011

Athlete: Dusty Nabor

Swim Stroke: Freestyle

Recommendations

  1. Your head position is too high during the swimming, especially right before the breathing. Because of high head position, your hips and legs are lower than shoulders during the swim. As result, you create more frontal drag and using more energy to swim forward. Try to extend your neck and watch down. Imagine that you swim downhill. The more extended neck, the lower frontal drag. Swim with a snorkel to keep your head lower.
  2. You are driving your stroke from head and shoulders, but not from hips. As result, you are losing balance during the swim. Keep your neck extended and avoid any vertical/lateral head/shoulder movements. Rotate more from your hips. Avoid using shoulders and arms/hands for rotation. Drill: both arms on the sides, kicking with fins and rotating slowly from one side to other, breathe on every side.
  3. Use body muscles and hips to generate propulsion. By rotating from the hips, you should help the arm to move underwater stronger and faster. Exercise on land: pulling on the Vertical Swim Trainer and balance exercises on the Bosu ball.
  4. You are losing balance when breathing. Initiate the head rotation from the hips – rotate hips more for breathing. Drill: Keep one arm on the side, other arm is above the surface in bent position. Kick strongly and rotate from the hips to breathe.
  5. Your breathing takes too long to complete. Therefore, you are losing the balance at the end of the breathing. Try to reduce duration of the breathing by exhaling air from your lungs faster at the end of the pull and inhaling as fast as possible.
  6. Avoid pressing straight arm down at the beginning of the stroke. Try to establish a high-elbow position at the beginning of the stroke by bending the elbow. Drill for the high-elbow position: do the first half of the stroke only by establishing high-elbow position, fingertips are always pointed down.
  7. You are losing velocity significantly at the beginning of the left arm stroke. Most likely, you are pressing right arm too much down. Try to extend arm forward on the surface and establish a high-elbow position by bending right arm in the elbow. Point fingertips down as early as possible at the beginning of the stroke. Drill: swimming with one paddle on the weakest (right) hand.
  8. In the pulling test, your swimming velocity doesn’t increase until your arm reaches the shoulder line. It indicates that you are not connecting arms to the body muscles (abdominal and lower back muscles) from the beginning of the stroke. Drills on land: pulling stretch cords on land with short stops at the beginning and middle of the stroke, pulling exercises on land on unstable base (Vertical Swim Trainer, physioballs or Bosu balls).
  9. Move your arms with acceleration towards the end of the stroke. It will help to keep a higher swimming velocity during the stroke.
  10. You are crossing legs during the swim. It happens because of driving a stroke from upper body. You should drive stroke from hips. Drill: Swimming with fins emphasizing very strong kick to avoid crossing feet.
  11. Separate sighting from breathing unless there waves and you have to lift your head higher. Normally, you should lift just eyes above the surface.

 



2011-12-22 8:37 PM
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You totally suck.

 

2011-12-22 9:01 PM
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First, how awesome that you did this!

You are crossing legs during the swim. It happens because of driving a stroke from upper body. You should drive stroke from hips. Drill: Swimming with fins emphasizing very strong kick to avoid crossing feet.

 

I'm crossing my feet like crazy right now and it is driving me, while, crazy! Because of ankle surgery, I'm not allowed to use fins anymore, but understanding why I am crossing my feet will allow me to work on driving from my hips. My kick is very weak because I have now hit week 23 this year in either a cast or boot on my foot. But, I can still work on the hips.

Thank you for posting this!



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Great stuff and video - thanks for sharing.

 

That's a killer turnover rate you've got going there. How long can you hold that? That's literally 1.5x faster than my 200yd sprint pace turnover.



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agarose2000 - 2011-12-22 8:04 PM

Great stuff and video - thanks for sharing.

 

That's a killer turnover rate you've got going there. How long can you hold that? That's literally 1.5x faster than my 200yd sprint pace turnover.

Like I said, that's pretty close to my mile pace....it's just over 80 strokes/min....pretty reasonable open water turnover.

2011-12-22 10:19 PM
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If Dr. G did a swim analysis on me, he'd just shoot me and be done with it!


2011-12-22 10:27 PM
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Fastyellow - 2011-12-22 10:13 PM
agarose2000 - 2011-12-22 8:04 PM

Great stuff and video - thanks for sharing.

 

That's a killer turnover rate you've got going there. How long can you hold that? That's literally 1.5x faster than my 200yd sprint pace turnover.

Like I said, that's pretty close to my mile pace....it's just over 80 strokes/min....pretty reasonable open water turnover.

 

Whew - no wonder you're a FOP swimmer.

 

For anyone who thinks holding this pace doesn't require 'swim fitness', good luck to you. That's swim fitness if I've ever seen it. (With good core technique to complement, of course.)

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Cool, thanks for sharing.
2011-12-22 11:51 PM
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That's pretty cool, I'd love to get that analysis done for me.  Thanks for sharing!


2011-12-23 5:52 AM
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I had the chance to be tested by Dr G a couple of years ago and it was very enlightning. I was swimming about 1:33/100 at threshold when I was tested and I was around 1:27/100m within a couple of months afterwards. His analysis and drills were very helpful and it was very helpful to see where I was losing power in my stroke.

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2011-12-23 6:23 AM
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gsmacleod - 2011-12-23 7:52 AM I had the chance to be tested by Dr G a couple of years ago and it was very enlightning. I was swimming about 1:33/100 at threshold when I was tested and I was around 1:27/100m within a couple of months afterwards. His analysis and drills were very helpful and it was very helpful to see where I was losing power in my stroke. Shane

Shane, you should bring Dr G to your athletes in NS and then sell some extra time slots to people like me to offset the costs a bit. 

2011-12-23 6:38 AM
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Very cool, Dusty!
2011-12-23 6:47 AM
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I agree with Dr. G's assessment.  (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! 

I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate.  Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile!  Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run.

ETA:  What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that?



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2011-12-23 7:34 AM
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Wow, very interesting to read such a detailed analysis.

Initially I was worried because I thought Dr. G was a medical examiner :-)

2011-12-23 8:58 AM
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Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all?
2011-12-23 9:11 AM
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I've always been curious what kind of technique suggestions Dr. G gave. But what I find pretty ineresting is that most of his comments come from thus video portion anyway, not the velocity assessment. The two items in which he mentions velocity or power, you can see that in the video assessment as well. Still cool though.

Maybe the real value is so.that the swimmer believes the technique suggestions given.

TJ, I don't think it measures power, just velocity.

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Your pace is the same as my "all out" pace, which i can only sustain for maybe 150m.  Good job - very impressive.
2011-12-23 1:32 PM
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Thanks for sharing, I wonder what the warmup was for the test and was the goal pace to the first buoy. It looked like ideal test conditions and would be fun to see somewhat fatigued conditions.

Nice Tarzan shorts 



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Fastyellow - 2011-12-22 8:22 PM

I had the chance to work with Dr G (Dr. Genadijus Sokolovas)...you can google to get all his credentials but basically he's pretty much "the man" when it comes to Olympic swimming and on the very forefront of swimming technique. This was an unbelievable opportunity.

Is there a certain place you have to go to get his evaluation? I checked his site, which says that he travels about, so I'm guessing maybe he comes to you?

How heavy is the measuring device?

It was set up through my masters group. He did about 30 athletes in two days. I don't know how much he does individual stuff unless you're going to London in 2012

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jgerbodegrant - 2011-12-23 4:47 AM

I agree with Dr. G's assessment.  (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! 

I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate.  Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile!  Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run.

ETA:  What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that?

I've always had a pretty quick rate...but in terms of open water, I think it's pretty good. I did a private lesson with Gerry Rodrigues just a little while ago and he actually wanted to see my stroke rate slightly higher. My honest assessment is that I don't exit the water any more fatigued than I should be.

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tjfry - 2011-12-23 6:58 AM Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all?

It is attached to a string back on land that you pull along with you. It just measures velocity. So you can look at the velocity and determine if you are accelerating or slowing down and then look for reasons why. One thing that was very obvious was that my left arm was much "stronger" or more effective than my right at pulling. I guess if you wanted true power numbers, you'd have to be able to calculate drag somehow.

He went through several top swimmers that were tested in the same way, like Phelps for example...and he even ripped them apart. It was comedy. He was like "Phelps has a terrible end to his stroke...but he's very good at the start." So if anyone had a bad finish, he would say "don't swim like Phelps...".....lol

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ClassicTRI - 2011-12-23 11:32 AM

Thanks for sharing, I wonder what the warmup was for the test and was the goal pace to the first buoy. It looked like ideal test conditions and would be fun to see somewhat fatigued conditions.

Nice Tarzan shorts 

Warm up was about 800 yards of drills and just getting loose. Pace goal was whatever your goal race is. Since I'm a triathlete, I just went with my mile pace.

Just normal speedos

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