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2011-12-22 8:22 PM |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: Real Swim Critique I thought I would post this as I think many people might find it valuable. I had the chance to work with Dr G (Dr. Genadijus Sokolovas)...you can google to get all his credentials but basically he's pretty much "the man" when it comes to Olympic swimming and on the very forefront of swimming technique. This was an unbelievable opportunity. We did four quick swimming power tests. The order in the video is pull, kick, swim, sight. The test was at our goal race pace. Given that I'm a triathlete, I tried to go at mile pace. I would suspect it was just a touch faster given the excitement on the test. Here is the video of the power test Here is a video of a quick analysis he did for me Here are the complete recommendations he gave me. One thing to note...he does not tell you what you are doing right. Only things you do wrong and how to correct them. So you pretty much leave there thinking you absolutely have no clue how to swim...lol. SWIM POWER TEST Date: November 20th, 2011 Athlete: Dusty Nabor Swim Stroke: Freestyle Recommendations
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2011-12-22 8:37 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
2011-12-22 9:01 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
Member 667 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique First, how awesome that you did this! You are crossing legs during the swim. It happens because of driving a stroke from upper body. You should drive stroke from hips. Drill: Swimming with fins emphasizing very strong kick to avoid crossing feet.
I'm crossing my feet like crazy right now and it is driving me, while, crazy! Because of ankle surgery, I'm not allowed to use fins anymore, but understanding why I am crossing my feet will allow me to work on driving from my hips. My kick is very weak because I have now hit week 23 this year in either a cast or boot on my foot. But, I can still work on the hips. Thank you for posting this! Edited by fortissimo 2011-12-22 9:02 PM |
2011-12-22 10:04 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
Master 2460 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Great stuff and video - thanks for sharing.
That's a killer turnover rate you've got going there. How long can you hold that? That's literally 1.5x faster than my 200yd sprint pace turnover. Edited by agarose2000 2011-12-22 10:05 PM |
2011-12-22 10:13 PM in reply to: #3950888 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique agarose2000 - 2011-12-22 8:04 PM Great stuff and video - thanks for sharing.
That's a killer turnover rate you've got going there. How long can you hold that? That's literally 1.5x faster than my 200yd sprint pace turnover. Like I said, that's pretty close to my mile pace....it's just over 80 strokes/min....pretty reasonable open water turnover. |
2011-12-22 10:19 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
Veteran 294 Mission Viejo, | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique If Dr. G did a swim analysis on me, he'd just shoot me and be done with it! |
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2011-12-22 10:27 PM in reply to: #3950898 |
Master 2460 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Fastyellow - 2011-12-22 10:13 PM agarose2000 - 2011-12-22 8:04 PM Great stuff and video - thanks for sharing.
That's a killer turnover rate you've got going there. How long can you hold that? That's literally 1.5x faster than my 200yd sprint pace turnover. Like I said, that's pretty close to my mile pace....it's just over 80 strokes/min....pretty reasonable open water turnover.
Whew - no wonder you're a FOP swimmer.
For anyone who thinks holding this pace doesn't require 'swim fitness', good luck to you. That's swim fitness if I've ever seen it. (With good core technique to complement, of course.) |
2011-12-22 10:28 PM in reply to: #3950898 |
Master 2460 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Edited by agarose2000 2011-12-22 10:29 PM |
2011-12-22 10:47 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Cool, thanks for sharing. |
2011-12-22 11:51 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
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2011-12-23 3:27 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique That's pretty cool, I'd love to get that analysis done for me. Thanks for sharing! |
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2011-12-23 5:52 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique I had the chance to be tested by Dr G a couple of years ago and it was very enlightning. I was swimming about 1:33/100 at threshold when I was tested and I was around 1:27/100m within a couple of months afterwards. His analysis and drills were very helpful and it was very helpful to see where I was losing power in my stroke. Shane |
2011-12-23 6:23 AM in reply to: #3951023 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique gsmacleod - 2011-12-23 7:52 AM I had the chance to be tested by Dr G a couple of years ago and it was very enlightning. I was swimming about 1:33/100 at threshold when I was tested and I was around 1:27/100m within a couple of months afterwards. His analysis and drills were very helpful and it was very helpful to see where I was losing power in my stroke. Shane Shane, you should bring Dr G to your athletes in NS and then sell some extra time slots to people like me to offset the costs a bit. |
2011-12-23 6:38 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Very cool, Dusty! |
2011-12-23 6:47 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique I agree with Dr. G's assessment. (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate. Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile! Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run. ETA: What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that? Edited by jgerbodegrant 2011-12-23 6:49 AM |
2011-12-23 6:55 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
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2011-12-23 7:34 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Master 2010 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Wow, very interesting to read such a detailed analysis. Initially I was worried because I thought Dr. G was a medical examiner :-) |
2011-12-23 8:58 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all? |
2011-12-23 9:11 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique I've always been curious what kind of technique suggestions Dr. G gave. But what I find pretty ineresting is that most of his comments come from thus video portion anyway, not the velocity assessment. The two items in which he mentions velocity or power, you can see that in the video assessment as well. Still cool though. Maybe the real value is so.that the swimmer believes the technique suggestions given. TJ, I don't think it measures power, just velocity. Edited by AdventureBear 2011-12-23 9:14 AM |
2011-12-23 11:47 AM in reply to: #3950755 |
Veteran 262 | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Your pace is the same as my "all out" pace, which i can only sustain for maybe 150m. Good job - very impressive. |
2011-12-23 1:32 PM in reply to: #3950755 |
Veteran 200 South Shore, MA. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique Thanks for sharing, I wonder what the warmup was for the test and was the goal pace to the first buoy. It looked like ideal test conditions and would be fun to see somewhat fatigued conditions. Nice Tarzan shorts |
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2011-12-23 5:49 PM in reply to: #3950962 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique userlocation - 2011-12-22 9:51 PM Fastyellow - 2011-12-22 8:22 PM I had the chance to work with Dr G (Dr. Genadijus Sokolovas)...you can google to get all his credentials but basically he's pretty much "the man" when it comes to Olympic swimming and on the very forefront of swimming technique. This was an unbelievable opportunity. Is there a certain place you have to go to get his evaluation? I checked his site, which says that he travels about, so I'm guessing maybe he comes to you? How heavy is the measuring device? It was set up through my masters group. He did about 30 athletes in two days. I don't know how much he does individual stuff unless you're going to London in 2012 |
2011-12-23 5:52 PM in reply to: #3951054 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique jgerbodegrant - 2011-12-23 4:47 AM I agree with Dr. G's assessment. (I just thought it would be funny to say that). Awesome that you are already quick in the water and now you have 11 things you can work on to get even faster!! I would also agree that you have a huge stroke rate. Awesome that you can keep that up for a mile! Not that your run is slow Dusty, but I'm just sort of curious how much energy you use that could be saved for later in your run. ETA: What kind of program does he use to analyze velocity and all that? I've always had a pretty quick rate...but in terms of open water, I think it's pretty good. I did a private lesson with Gerry Rodrigues just a little while ago and he actually wanted to see my stroke rate slightly higher. My honest assessment is that I don't exit the water any more fatigued than I should be. |
2011-12-23 5:57 PM in reply to: #3951237 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique tjfry - 2011-12-23 6:58 AM Very cool! Got a question. How does the ....thing (guessing its that stuff strapped to your waist) measure power, etc.? Did you discuss that at all? It is attached to a string back on land that you pull along with you. It just measures velocity. So you can look at the velocity and determine if you are accelerating or slowing down and then look for reasons why. One thing that was very obvious was that my left arm was much "stronger" or more effective than my right at pulling. I guess if you wanted true power numbers, you'd have to be able to calculate drag somehow. He went through several top swimmers that were tested in the same way, like Phelps for example...and he even ripped them apart. It was comedy. He was like "Phelps has a terrible end to his stroke...but he's very good at the start." So if anyone had a bad finish, he would say "don't swim like Phelps...".....lol |
2011-12-23 6:03 PM in reply to: #3951677 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: Real Swim Critique ClassicTRI - 2011-12-23 11:32 AM Thanks for sharing, I wonder what the warmup was for the test and was the goal pace to the first buoy. It looked like ideal test conditions and would be fun to see somewhat fatigued conditions. Nice Tarzan shorts Warm up was about 800 yards of drills and just getting loose. Pace goal was whatever your goal race is. Since I'm a triathlete, I just went with my mile pace. Just normal speedos |
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