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 2012-06-19 9:28 AM |
Champion  7821     Brooklyn, NY |  Subject: New Yorkers Live Longerhttp://newyork.newsday.com/news/new-york/study-new-yorkers-life-exp... "A new study shows New Yorkers on average are living longer than the rest of the nation and experts cited in the study are crediting Mayor Michael Bloomberg's health initiatives during the last decade as a leading factor. A report in the British medical journal, "The Lancet," published June 2, found that the city's average life expectancy rose by eight years to 80.6 years between 1987 and 2009. The national average only rose during the same period 1.7 years to an expectancy of roughly 78 years, according to the journal." Many of the Mayor’s policies related to public health have been controversial, most recently his suggestion that large sweetened soft drinks should be eliminated, but they seem to be having a positive effect on the population. |
| 2012-06-19 9:30 AM in reply to: #4268999 |
Champion 18680  Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-19 10:28 AM http://newyork.newsday.com/news/new-york/study-new-yorkers-life-exp... "A new study shows New Yorkers on average are living longer than the rest of the nation and experts cited in the study are crediting Mayor Michael Bloomberg's health initiatives during the last decade as a leading factor. A report in the British medical journal, "The Lancet," published June 2, found that the city's average life expectancy rose by eight years to 80.6 years between 1987 and 2009. The national average only rose during the same period 1.7 years to an expectancy of roughly 78 years, according to the journal." Many of the Mayor’s policies related to public health have been controversial, most recently his suggestion that large sweetened soft drinks should be eliminated, but they seem to be having a positive effect on the population. Wait Bloomberg has been mayor since 1987? |
| 2012-06-19 9:31 AM in reply to: #4268999 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer I have to believe it's less about people being in better health and more about fewer people being murdered... |
| 2012-06-19 9:03 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
| Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer I have to believe it's about the average age of death being higher than it was. Not that new Yorker live longer than people from other states. Well, that and more people are failing to report a death so someone else could collect the social security... oh, nevermind, I don't have sarc font. Edited by ironultrared 2012-06-19 9:04 PM |
| 2012-06-19 10:05 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
| Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer And they're comparing NYC to the REST of the country..... Hmmmmmm. |
| 2012-06-19 10:09 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
Master 2380 Beijing | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer |
| 2012-06-19 10:26 PM in reply to: #4270593 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer ironultrared - 2012-06-19 9:03 PM I have to believe it's about the average age of death being higher than it was. I've read it about a hundred times and I still have no idea what this means. |
| 2012-06-19 11:24 PM in reply to: #4270701 |
| Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-19 10:26 PM Sorry, I was being snarky... I was trying to say that NY just has a higher average age of death now than it was ten+ years ago. I was mocking the study. They compared NY as a city to the country as a whole... Seems kind of misrepresenting the facts, even if they are accurate statistics. How does NY compare to Houston, or Dallas, or any of the other top ten large cities. What was the average age of death at the beginning of the study, and what is it now in each of these cities? ironultrared - 2012-06-19 9:03 PMI have to believe it's about the average age of death being higher than it was. I've read it about a hundred times and I still have no idea what this means. And I'm just making up numbers, but what if the average life expectancy in NY is 80 now, and in Dallas it's 85, but because they averaged it with the rest of the country, Houston's average of 65 offsets Dallas' average and makes NY look better. And what if NY started at 75, Dallas started at 70, and Houston started at 80? Averaging the US then comparing to NY's increases still doesn't give us a very accurate picture, even if the statistics presented are correct. I should add that I'm from NY so it isn't anything against NY. But I hate when statistics are presented in a crappy way. |
| 2012-06-20 8:03 AM in reply to: #4268999 |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer This does not surprise me at all in cities like NYC ad DC people walk to and from public transpiration. I live in Houston and my kids can't take a bus anywhere, no stops anywhere around us so people don't walk anywhere unless they live or work downtown. I think mass communication encourages walking. My Mom and brother use the bus and train in Denver but they have to walk there. |
| 2012-06-20 8:30 AM in reply to: #4268999 |
Veteran 485 | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer Is this an Onion article? |
| 2012-06-20 10:37 AM in reply to: #4270684 |
| 71 | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer moondawg14 - 2012-06-19 9:09 PM ... out of spite.
The End.
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| 2012-06-20 11:49 AM in reply to: #4270747 |
| Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer ironultrared - 2012-06-19 11:24 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-19 10:26 PM Sorry, I was being snarky... I was trying to say that NY just has a higher average age of death now than it was ten+ years ago. I was mocking the study. They compared NY as a city to the country as a whole... Seems kind of misrepresenting the facts, even if they are accurate statistics. How does NY compare to Houston, or Dallas, or any of the other top ten large cities. What was the average age of death at the beginning of the study, and what is it now in each of these cities? ironultrared - 2012-06-19 9:03 PMI have to believe it's about the average age of death being higher than it was. I've read it about a hundred times and I still have no idea what this means. And I'm just making up numbers, but what if the average life expectancy in NY is 80 now, and in Dallas it's 85, but because they averaged it with the rest of the country, Houston's average of 65 offsets Dallas' average and makes NY look better. And what if NY started at 75, Dallas started at 70, and Houston started at 80? Averaging the US then comparing to NY's increases still doesn't give us a very accurate picture, even if the statistics presented are correct. I should add that I'm from NY so it isn't anything against NY. But I hate when statistics are presented in a crappy way. Ok. Can you explain what you mean by "average age of death"? You seem to be drawing a distinction between "average age of death " and "life expectancy" but I don't understand what you mean and I guess I don't see the distinction. So are you saying that if you compared NYC's gain in life expectancy against other large cities, instead of to the country as a whole, that you'd expect to see a less dramatic comparison? I guess that's possible, but when you look at lists of life expectancy by State, NYS is pretty high (4th) in one chart I found, behind HI, MN, and CA. Texas was 30th. Here's the text of the original Lancet article that the NY Newsday article references. It adds a few bits of data to the equation, including that some of the increase has to do with the decrease in AIDS-related deaths and the 75% decrease in homicides that took place in the late 90's under Giuliani but which have continued under Bloomberg. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736 |
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| Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-20 12:49 PM ironultrared - 2012-06-19 11:24 PM Ok. Can you explain what you mean by "average age of death"? You seem to be drawing a distinction between "average age of death " and "life expectancy" but I don't understand what you mean and I guess I don't see the distinction.jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-19 10:26 PM Sorry, I was being snarky... I was trying to say that NY just has a higher average age of death now than it was ten+ years ago. I was mocking the study. They compared NY as a city to the country as a whole... Seems kind of misrepresenting the facts, even if they are accurate statistics. How does NY compare to Houston, or Dallas, or any of the other top ten large cities. What was the average age of death at the beginning of the study, and what is it now in each of these cities?ironultrared - 2012-06-19 9:03 PMI have to believe it's about the average age of death being higher than it was. I've read it about a hundred times and I still have no idea what this means. And I'm just making up numbers, but what if the average life expectancy in NY is 80 now, and in Dallas it's 85, but because they averaged it with the rest of the country, Houston's average of 65 offsets Dallas' average and makes NY look better. And what if NY started at 75, Dallas started at 70, and Houston started at 80? Averaging the US then comparing to NY's increases still doesn't give us a very accurate picture, even if the statistics presented are correct. I should add that I'm from NY so it isn't anything against NY. But I hate when statistics are presented in a crappy way. If you have a large amount of young people dying from "unnatural" causes such as violence it will skew your life expectancy numbers lower. So if the murder rate goes down your "life expectancy" gains will reflect fewer people being killed at a young age more than natural life being extended. |
| 2012-06-20 1:56 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
Master 4119 Toronto Bronze member | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer |
| 2012-06-20 2:04 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
| Champion 4942 Richmond, VA | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer Funny, I would interpret the article this way:
If you live in NYC and are not in a rent controlled apartment, you have a higher likelihood of getting ticked off at the cost of living and moving somewhere else (like Richmond, VA). But if live in a rent-controlled apartment, you ride that puppy as long as humanly possible. So by comparison, NYers of 2012 live longer than NYers of 1978, but that isn't because Bloomberg banned trans fat. It is because the people who make up the middle portion of the statistical pool couldn't and didn't want to afford to stay there any longer... |
| 2012-06-20 2:35 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
| Master 1585 Folsom (Sacramento), CA | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer So Bloomberg's policies of the last 10 years made those who lived in the unhealthy New York City of past mayors for 70-80 years live considerably longer? Hmmm....
It's entirely possible that his initiatives will make a long term difference but you most likely won't see those results for 40-50 years. |
| 2012-06-20 4:16 PM in reply to: #4268999 |
| Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: New Yorkers Live Longer
All hail High Chancellor Bloomberg, who rains down his mercy upon us and whom we so gratefully serve! |
| 2012-06-21 10:44 AM in reply to: #4271723 |
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