A Raving Liberal's Complaints About Obama
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Your complains are my complains....and very wise not to hold your breath, i'm not holding mine while i hope for the best. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AcesFull - 2012-06-21 11:12 AM I am p*ssed at Obama for squandering his chances to make this all happen, but pleased that the GOP never got it together to put forward a viable candidate. Maybe my team will have a chance to do it right in 2013 and beyond. I'm not holding my breath... x2 The conversation in our house last night....'why is he making it so dang hard for me to actually vote for him.' I didn't expect whoever was elected in 2012 to instantly step in and fix the economy. I figured they would be a one term president on this account alone. However, I did expect him to have the fortitude to actually implement change. Instead, he has held the typically Washington status quo and isn't any better (or worse) than the rest of them. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() " I also suspected that the GOP pres elected in 2012 would likely get the credit for the recovery that would be spurred by the Liberal policies that never passed." Huh? So if there is a recovery it would be credited to liberal policies that never passed? Edited by scoobysdad 2012-06-21 10:38 AM |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-06-21 9:34 AM " I also suspected that the GOP pres elected in 2012 would likely get the credit for the recovery that would be spurred by the Liberal policies that never passed." Huh? So if there is a recovery it would be credited to liberal policies that never passed? I think he means the policies he expected to pass that never did.
Personally, I pretty much figured whoever won was screwed. No one could have fixed the economy after what had happened. I think whoever wins this year is equally screwed because it won't be fixed during their term either. If you follow any Austrian Economic Theory you would see that this type of financial crisis takes many years to recover from. I kind of want Romney to win so that when the next 4 years do suck, maybe people will think huh 4 years of Dem's sucked and 4 years of Rep's sucked, we should try something new. A guy can hope right? Edited by JoshR 2012-06-21 10:41 AM |
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![]() | ![]() AcesFull - I am p*ssed at Obama for squandering his chances to make this all happen, but pleased that the GOP never got it together to put forward a viable candidate. I don't understand the last part of that. The GOP is nominating a candidate who is:
All of that wrapped up in someone who has spent his career as an executive in both the private and the public sector. What's not viable about that? The fact that a lot of conservatives didn't want him as their first choice should actually give some comfort to moderate independent voters and disaffected Obama supporters. Edited by dontracy 2012-06-21 10:49 AM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So wait, just so I get this straight, all of the "liberl agenda" that Obama has been able to push though has resulted in adding 5 trillion to the National Debt (more that Bush added in his full 8 years) and you some how thought that more of this liberal agenda would *help* the economy? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AcesFull - 2012-06-21 12:31 PM Sous - 2012-06-21 11:28 AM So wait, just so I get this straight, all of the "liberl agenda" that Obama has been able to push though has resulted in adding 5 trillion to the National Debt (more that Bush added in his full 8 years) and you some how thought that more of this liberal agenda would *help* the economy? What was pushed through was not a true liberal agenda. It was a watered-down, half-azzed liberal agenda without real change. As such, the bang for the buck wasn't there. I think he could have done it right without spending any more than he did to do it wrong. I'm still a bit perplexed... how can adding 5 trillion in debt be "doing it right" at all? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Having faith in a politician, any politician, is misguided naiviety at best.
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AcesFull - 2012-06-21 10:12 AM When Obama was elected, I had high hopes that he would use the mandate implied by the Dem's sweep of both houses of Congress and the White House to push his agenda forward. I had hopes of Dems working side by side to undo the damage caused by Bush's pushing his agenda through despite opposition, and Clinton's compromises. I envisioned rapid repeal of tax cuts for the wealthy, true healthcare reform, elimination of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, immigration reform (okay, McCain agreed with this, but neither talked about it during the campaign because it was so unpopular), and the full litany of the so-called Liberal Agenda to be rammed through Congress. I knew that the deep mess that dismantling regulations put us in would take more than four years to fix, and as such the Dems would lose Congress in two years, and that Obama was likely only a one-term president. I also suspected that the GOP pres elected in 2012 would likely get the credit for the recovery that would be spurred by the Liberal policies that never passed. I am p*ssed at Obama for squandering his chances to make this all happen, but pleased that the GOP never got it together to put forward a viable candidate. Maybe my team will have a chance to do it right in 2013 and beyond. I'm not holding my breath...
I'm not a fan of Obama, and even I'm upset at what happened. The opportunity was there for massive sweeping changes, that would most likely take years to figure out if they were really helpful or not. many I'll admit I probably would be very skeptical of. BUT to squander that opportunity is sad, regardless of which polictal side you are on. |
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![]() | ![]() AcesFull - I envisioned rapid repeal of tax cuts for the wealthy, true healthcare reform, elimination of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, immigration reform (okay, McCain agreed with this, but neither talked about it during the campaign because it was so unpopular), and the full litany of the so-called Liberal Agenda to be rammed through Congress. What would true healthcare reform look like in your opinion? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Honestly I think most liberals would've put health care pretty far down their list of priorities if asked in 2008. Had Obama made something else his priority (like, say, the economy) then there wouldn't have been this rallying cry of FUD from the far right. He'd have had a chance at maintaining 60 votes in the Senate and I'd give even-odds of Democrats still controlling the House. He burned way too much political capital on a single item on his list, when the country has many more things that need to be addressed. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AcesFull - 2012-06-21 12:40 PM Sous - 2012-06-21 11:33 AM AcesFull - 2012-06-21 12:31 PM Sous - 2012-06-21 11:28 AM So wait, just so I get this straight, all of the "liberl agenda" that Obama has been able to push though has resulted in adding 5 trillion to the National Debt (more that Bush added in his full 8 years) and you some how thought that more of this liberal agenda would *help* the economy? What was pushed through was not a true liberal agenda. It was a watered-down, half-azzed liberal agenda without real change. As such, the bang for the buck wasn't there. I think he could have done it right without spending any more than he did to do it wrong. I'm still a bit perplexed... how can adding 5 trillion in debt be "doing it right" at all? I never said he should have added 5 trillion to the debt. Forgive me for misunderstanding. When you said "do it right without spending any more then he did to do it wrong" I took that to mean you were OK with him increasing the national debt by 50% in just 3 short years. Fact is, his own budget estimations has the national debt at $20 trillion by 2016, so he would add yet another 5 trillion in his 2nd term... gotta love that "liberal agenda"!!! |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() spudone - 2012-06-21 12:38 PM Honestly I think most liberals would've put health care pretty far down their list of priorities if asked in 2008. Had Obama made something else his priority (like, say, the economy) then there wouldn't have been this rallying cry of FUD from the far right. He'd have had a chance at maintaining 60 votes in the Senate and I'd give even-odds of Democrats still controlling the House. He burned way too much political capital on a single item on his list, when the country has many more things that need to be addressed. I partly agree with this, but I do think Healthcare Reform was very near the top of the list for most liberals. I just think the thought at that time was that Democrats, with their majorities in both houses, would be able to easily jam Healthcare Reform through and then move onto to the next liberal issue. They would be able to just knock one down after the other. Instead, Kennedy died, Brown got elected, the process of passing the ACA bill got bogged down and suddenly Americans were able to scrutinize the ACA Bill a little more closely and they also saw the highly questionable ways in which the deal to pass the bill was brokered and eventually down crammed the throats of the American public. That was reflected in the polls at that time, as the Bill lost the support of the majority of Americans. IMO, the whole rancorous process of cramming through ACA caused a vast number of independents to really begin questioning the direction Obama, Pelosi and Reid were planning to take this country-- especially the long term implications (debt, debt and more debt). Suddenly, Obama was getting the vetting that he never really went through during the '08 campaign process and the honeymoon was over. That led to a pretty sweeping Republican victory to retake the House in 2010, and suddenly all the other items on Obama's agenda were going to get a lot more scrutiny and resistance. The momentum with which he and fellow Democrats were launched into office was pretty well gone. Obama began paying a lot more attention to what was going to get him re-elected in 2010 rather than simply pursuing what ostensibly got him elected in 2008. Healthcare Reform was simply the wrong issue to pursue first. It became Obama's Waterloo. And once ACA is struck down by the SCOTUS next week, Obama's lasting legacy will be nothing but a vastly increased national debt. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sous - 2012-06-21 2:19 PM AcesFull - 2012-06-21 12:40 PM Sous - 2012-06-21 11:33 AM AcesFull - 2012-06-21 12:31 PM Sous - 2012-06-21 11:28 AM So wait, just so I get this straight, all of the "liberl agenda" that Obama has been able to push though has resulted in adding 5 trillion to the National Debt (more that Bush added in his full 8 years) and you some how thought that more of this liberal agenda would *help* the economy? What was pushed through was not a true liberal agenda. It was a watered-down, half-azzed liberal agenda without real change. As such, the bang for the buck wasn't there. I think he could have done it right without spending any more than he did to do it wrong. I'm still a bit perplexed... how can adding 5 trillion in debt be "doing it right" at all? I never said he should have added 5 trillion to the debt. Forgive me for misunderstanding. When you said "do it right without spending any more then he did to do it wrong" I took that to mean you were OK with him increasing the national debt by 50% in just 3 short years. Fact is, his own budget estimations has the national debt at $20 trillion by 2016, so he would add yet another 5 trillion in his 2nd term... gotta love that "liberal agenda"!!!
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AcesFull - 2012-06-21 9:12 AM I am p*ssed at Obama for squandering his chances to make this all happen, but pleased that the GOP never got it together to put forward a viable candidate. Maybe my team will have a chance to do it right in 2013 and beyond. I'm not holding my breath... But what I see more likely if Obama does get a second term is Congress loosing more Dem seats and it will be ever harder to get anything passed. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ??"A Raving Liberal's Complaints About Obama" Imagine the complaints from those of us that are more moderate or conservative. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2012-06-21 1:57 PM ??"A Raving Liberal's Complaints About Obama" Imagine the complaints from those of us that are more moderate or conservative. I was listening to the radio over lunch and one of the guys asked which demographic is going to vote for Obama in greater numbers than last time. Its actually a pretty good question and I think it says a lot for his reelection chances. He's somehow managed to tick off just about every demographic that originally supported him in some way or another. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() AcesFull - 2012-06-21 2:03 PM rayd - 2012-06-21 1:57 PM ??"A Raving Liberal's Complaints About Obama" Imagine the complaints from those of us that are more moderate or conservative. Well, my complaint is that he's not acted nearly liberal enough and has failed to properly forward a strong liberal agenda, so I suspect that my happiness would not result in your happiness. I'm not sure if i remember him promising to promote a liberal agenda during his campaign. I recall hope , change, strong American values, middle class and all that hoopla. The only people I can recall actually saying or predicting him being anything but middle of the road were the right wing pundits. Look at it that way and you really shouldn't be too upset with what he has delivered so far. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So basically what you're saying is that Obama didn't do almost anything that he promised yet you're gonna vote for him again anyway. Well if that's not a reason for him to try harder next term I'm not sure what is... |
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