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2012-06-26 12:44 PM

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My oldest will be 6 next month, and we're trying everything we can think of to get him to learn to swim. Most importantly I want him to be able to swim for safety reasons. He enjoys playing in the pool (currently with floaties), so I want him to be safe. I'd also like him to be able to enjoy just playing in a pool.  I'd like him to be able to go his buddies' pool and play and not be the dorky kid who has to wear floaties the whole time. If he enjoys swimming and wants to do some kids races, I'd support him but not a big deal for me.

So with all of that, we've had him go to a few different swim classes.  I did the Daddy and Me class when he was 1, and we've each summer he's done a once a week group class.  This past Winter/Spring I made a real effort to get him and his brothers to the pool at our gym to just play around and get comfortable with the water. We've also used my parents pool at least twice since it has been warm enough. Two weeks ago he started once a week with a personal coach.

The problem is he is afraid to put his face in the water.  His instructor says he is doing great with everything except for this.  We also have twin boys that will be 4 next month, and they go under water with little to no problem at all.  One of them is pretty much a fish.   Normally I don't like to bribe the kids because I don't think it sets the best example, but in this case I think it is our last shot.  My reasoning is that I just need him to go under water a bunch of times so he learns there is nothing to be afraid of. If I can make that happen no matter what, then we'll be off.

Have any of you had this problem, and if so what if anything worked for you?  When I was a kid I definitely wasn't a good swimmer and didn't spend much time at all in a pool, and alot of that was because I didn't like going under water much either.  I'd like to get that out of his system before he misses out on stuff.



2012-06-26 12:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Bribing kid for swim lessons

my son is 6 as well... and for a number of years in the midst of summer swimming lessons, he too was afraid to put his face in the water.... he!! he wouldn't even let me carry him out into slightly deeper areas where he couldn't touch. At some point some switch just flicked. Now his face goes in the water and all. 

Trust the swim teacher.  When he is ready it will happen. It seems you are doing everything right. Pressuring and cajoling will likely only raise the anxiety. 

My $.02

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2012-06-26 12:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Bribing kid for swim lessons
When my son was about three, he had a scary moment in the pool when his instructor lost track of him in the pool and he sank to the bottom. I was sitting on the deck watching class and spotted him and pulled him out before anything bad happened.

After that, not only wouldn’t he put his face in the water, he didn’t even like getting his face wet. If he got any water splashed on his face, even in the bathtub, he would have to get out and wipe his face with a towel.

What really helped, other than just patiently staying with it and encouraging him, was that we got him a pair of the AquaSphere Seal-Kids goggles. They’re nice and big and very comfortable and allowed him to see well under water. Almost as soon as we got the goggles on him, his fear of getting his face wet went away and within a few weeks, he was swimming underwater.

I know others will disagree, but I don’t see any problem with using rewards (not “bribes”) sparingly to encourage certain behaviors. I don’t, however, think it’s effective with getting kids to overcome fears, at least not in my experience. I offered my kid a Lego toy he wanted if he could get to ten pushups and that worked really well, but I don’t think I could have used that strategy to get him to put his face in the water before he was ready. Try the goggles if you haven’t already.

Another thing that worked really well is to get him in the pool with friends or classmates of his who are already good swimmers. Sometimes being around other kids who are good at something can get a kid to try something he wasn’t previously willing to. Call it peer pressure or competitive instinct or whatever. The first time my son decided to try to swim under water it was because we went swimming with an older boy that he was friends with who knew how to swim underwater.
2012-06-26 1:03 PM
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Sort of a sidebar question; when he was little, did you avoid water in his face? One of the best pieces of advice my ex and I got with our first baby was to not avoid pouring water over her head and face at bath time. First few times she was a bit surprised and had the gasp reflex, but never a problem since. Did it with both my kids and neither one had issues with water as they got older. Doesn't help you at all now, but just wondering.
2012-06-26 1:05 PM
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My son is 5 and same thing.  we started swim lesson when he was 4 and have had him in ever since.  he still is a little skidish about being face down in the water with his actual face in it, but he's grown quite accustomed to going under water to get rings.  If he won't go under water your next bribe will be getting him to swim with his face in the water.

The approach we are taking/have taken is to keep him in swim lessons year round consistently (so that he's not forgetting anything) and let him take his time.  Some pick up on it quicker than others and I have no problem with my kid being the slow one.  I would rather he learn slowly and enjoy it and it be fun, than forced into it and not look forward to swim lessons every week.  (not suggesting yours doesn't, just saying mine wouldn't)  We like the group class because he can see other kids doing things and it seems to give him an increased level of confidence.  We are letting the instructor do the teaching and just telling him we are proud of how well he is doing every now and then.  That's just our approach.  Won't work for everyone.



2012-06-26 1:07 PM
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2012-06-26 1:07 PM
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When I worked with kids on swim lessons it really just seeemed to be a switch that just kicked on.  Some people, like me, have really sensitive eyes, but I think I was born in the water, but not for speed.  Just born to float!!!!

We tried games with putting faces in the water, but sometimes I would clean up a pair of my old swim goggles and try to get them to fit the kids face pretty good and I would ask them to put their face in the water to count how many fingers I was moving in the pool.  Just enought movement that they had no choice to put their eyes in the water.  Different things work with different kids.

 

 

2012-06-26 1:31 PM
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This is a very timely thread because my son (7) would not put his head in the water for the longest time.  just recently we tried another school for swim lessons and boom, we can't get him out of the pool.  Maybe it's the instructor, maybe it's the fact that his peers are doing it, or maybe it is just a switch.  I think it was just time.  I also stopped pressuring him to get his face in the water.  He is comfortable now.  Good luck to you.
2012-06-26 2:18 PM
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mrbbrad - 2012-06-26 1:03 PM Sort of a sidebar question; when he was little, did you avoid water in his face? One of the best pieces of advice my ex and I got with our first baby was to not avoid pouring water over her head and face at bath time. First few times she was a bit surprised and had the gasp reflex, but never a problem since. Did it with both my kids and neither one had issues with water as they got older. Doesn't help you at all now, but just wondering.

I don't think we intentionally avoided water in his face aside from when we were washing shampoo out of his hair.  We just didn't think about it.  Then because he was iffy in water we intentionally did pour water on the twins when they were born 2 years later.  The twins are better in water, but not sure how much that played into it.

2012-06-26 5:15 PM
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Having been a swim teacher for a long time (and semi-specializing in kids your son's age) there's a few strategies that might help.

1) Goggles. Good fitting goggles. Avoid the impulse to buy cheap ones. Good ones are worth their weight in gold. A lot of kids just really hate the chlorine-in-the-eyes thing, and who can blame them?

2) Most of the time, I introduced "head in the water" breathing with bobbing on the side. Literally just bouncing up and down, bubbles in the water. Occasionally a song/animal noise on the up side. Boys loved the animal noises.

3) Once we got bobbing sorted, I usually bring out the kickboard, and encourage them to kick with the board fully extended in their arms (I usually used "superman" or something like that--again, making it fun). Sometimes I helped them with the forward motion so they wouldn't get frustrated, because the exercise isn't about kicking, it is about body position and forward motion.

4) Not making a big deal out of it. I had a student once who FLIPPED OUT when she put her face in the water. At first it really freaked me out and I didn't know what to do about it. But eventually, I just ignored it. If she started to whimper, I'd either restart the exercise, not even acknowledge the upset, or go to an exercise that they were more comfortable with, then come back to it when they were more settled.


Talk to your instructor, see if he/she is concerned with it, and what they want to do about it. It might be that they are structuring the class differently. I didn't always introduce skills in the same order, I really let the kid direct it so we could work through things that were tough while playing up their strengths (you have awesome kicks, so let's see if we can make those kicks get you even farther. One of the things that helps is putting your body flat, and you have to put your face in to do that. So let's try___ to do that!)

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2012-06-26 5:29 PM
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I also used to be a swimming instructor for several years and my own 3.5 year old daughter struggles with putting her face in the water. Happily, she is starting to get in the groove (just in time for 7 weeks in Hawaii too). We did manage to get her ducking in a little at a swimming pool with stairs where she was grabbing a sinking toy. It worked great, we just dropped down a step each time she got more comfortable.

Nevertheless, if you have a private instructor for him, I would let them try their tricks instead of you having to muddy the waters and resorting to bribery.

Sadly, I do have to share my Private lesson student from years ago... He was high functioning autistic... and I taught him for almost 3 years (age 5-8)... and I only convinced him to get his whole face wet ONCE!! He actually tripped and fell into the water. I remember telling his mum and my boss a number of times to just move on to another instructor and forget about me... but the kid apparently really liked me and would not switch.

Good luck with your boy... and try the sinking toy strategy, it worked with my daughter!
2012-06-27 7:08 AM
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M&M's.  Seriously, you could get me to paint the exterior of my house if you bribed me with enough M&M's.  It worked for my girls for potty training, putting faces in water, tying shoes, skiing solo without falling over.  It should be nearly instant gratification though.  Have them on hand and ready to go!

I do agree with others though, if he isn't ready, he won't do it until he is ready.

2012-06-27 8:45 AM
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5 kids. The first 3 loved the water, never any issues. Our 8 year old has never been a fan. We made sure she could get to the edge if she fell in, float and doggie paddle (none of these require face in the water) and let it go until SHE decided she wanted to swim which was this year. We got her private lessons which I think is huge. For the same price of 12 group lessons we got 4 private lessons and she is flourishing and showing interest in tris. He doesn't have to do it all now. If he doesn't mind wearing floaters you shouldn't mind him wearing them. I will never understand parents worrying about their kids looking "dorky" as long as he's happy.
2012-06-27 9:20 PM
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KeriKadi - 2012-06-27 8:45 AM . I will never understand parents worrying about their kids looking "dorky" as long as he's happy.

The funny thing I was thinking the exact opposite thing this past weekend.  We were at a dinosaur thing, and I understand that it attracts a certain type of kid, but there were several kids about 10-12 years old that I was completely surprised their parents let them out of the house.  Shorts up to their belly buttons, long socks with velcro shoes, and hair that looked like they just got out of bed.  I know we want stop bullies, and I think parents should put some effort into making sure their kids aren't such big targets.

2012-06-27 9:44 PM
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My son is 7. He received a lego of his choice (price limited cuz there are some crazy expensive sets) when he was able to swim 25 yards breathing to the side only.

I wouldn't do that for every little thing, but I think its fine occasionally to encourage a child to certain goals. I believe we got him a toy when he was potty training. we showed it to him and said he could have it when he used the toilet for x days.


2012-06-28 5:39 PM
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Go for the bribery.

Actually, I would suggest a couple of steps.   First, hold a quarter so that he has to get his face close to the water to grab it.  Next a little deeper, enough to get his face wet.  Do that a couple of times. When that is easy, hold it so he has to go all the way under.  Goggles would help.  I predict you will be able to throw a quarter in the deep end of the pool before long.  A trip to the ice cream store to spend his winnings right after swim practice is good reinforcement.

The trick is for the terms of the bribe to be easy enough that the kid always gets the money immediately.  No deferred gratification, it has to be on the spot first time.  And the progression needs to be so easy that it is no effort at all.

I confess I bribed the Geezerettes to practice piano some. Play a short passage perfectly, 10 cents. After that is easy, play it three times for the dime. Interestingly, I was three for three on State Piano Champions. And, I still love to hear them play.

Good luck.  Tell him that he really outsmarted you on getting the quarters.

2012-06-28 7:23 PM
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jmcconne - 2012-06-26 10:44 AM

My oldest will be 6 next month, and we're trying everything we can think of to get him to learn to swim. Most importantly I want him to be able to swim for safety reasons. He enjoys playing in the pool (currently with floaties), so I want him to be safe. I'd also like him to be able to enjoy just playing in a pool.  I'd like him to be able to go his buddies' pool and play and not be the dorky kid who has to wear floaties the whole time. If he enjoys swimming and wants to do some kids races, I'd support him but not a big deal for me.

So with all of that, we've had him go to a few different swim classes.  I did the Daddy and Me class when he was 1, and we've each summer he's done a once a week group class.  This past Winter/Spring I made a real effort to get him and his brothers to the pool at our gym to just play around and get comfortable with the water. We've also used my parents pool at least twice since it has been warm enough. Two weeks ago he started once a week with a personal coach.

The problem is he is afraid to put his face in the water.  His instructor says he is doing great with everything except for this.  We also have twin boys that will be 4 next month, and they go under water with little to no problem at all.  One of them is pretty much a fish.   Normally I don't like to bribe the kids because I don't think it sets the best example, but in this case I think it is our last shot.  My reasoning is that I just need him to go under water a bunch of times so he learns there is nothing to be afraid of. If I can make that happen no matter what, then we'll be off.

Have any of you had this problem, and if so what if anything worked for you?  When I was a kid I definitely wasn't a good swimmer and didn't spend much time at all in a pool, and alot of that was because I didn't like going under water much either.  I'd like to get that out of his system before he misses out on stuff.

Lots  of good suggestions.  I had one kid who took a while to get his face wet, two who didn't.  The one that did have an issue is now playing college water polo!  It passes......

As a parent, and a (very) retired instructor, I have one concern.  Please don't ever think that any child is 'water safe'.  Comfort in the pool is a great thing, but sometimes it can bring a false sense of security.  This is the time of year we all start hearing of tragedies......kids that can swim, kinda, but drown. Don't ever let the littler ones out of your sight, and don't ever let the older ones play alone!!

Not trying to be a downer......just a voice of caution!!!

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