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2012-06-28 7:36 AM

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2012-06-28 7:43 AM
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DanielG - 2012-06-28 7:36 AM http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-06-27/sunscreen-policies/55877080/1[/QUOTE]

I read things like this and think WTF is wrong with our country?

2012-06-28 7:54 AM
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As a society we have only brought this on ourselves. The alternate story is the parent that sues the school system because they had their kid apply sun screen and didn't feel it was the schools business.
2012-06-28 7:58 AM
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jacasa - 2012-06-28 8:54 AM

As a society we have only brought this on ourselves. The alternate story is the parent that sues the school system because they had their kid apply sun screen and didn't feel it was the schools business.


Y'know there's a world of difference between "allowed" and "mandatory", right?

2012-06-28 7:58 AM
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This is what happens when we overreact to every incident and institute zero tolerance policies, the law of unintended consequences.   We think rules will make us perfectly safe and that conversely because we have rules we are safe so we don't have to think or use one iota of  common sense.

2012-06-28 8:46 AM
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I would argue that it’s not the teachers/counselors job to apply sunscreen to the kids.

I’ve never seen a policy in any of my kid’s camps or schools that says that they aren’t allowed to bring it without a doctor’s note. But every one of the camps is very clear that kids are to either come to camp wearing sunscreen or they have to have it with them and be able to apply it themselves.

That this idiot mom is blaming the teachers or the school for her kids’ sunburns is exactly the kind of thing that causes these knee-jerk rules to happen in the first place. The mom can’t read a weather report? It is HER FAULT that her kids got burned. Not the teachers’, not the school’s.

It’s so frustrating. People like her are impossible to satisfy. They want the schools/teachers/camps to assume 100% of the responsibility for caring for their kids….except when they don’t. And it’s up to the schools/teachers/camps to be clairvoyant and somehow figure out in advance when she wants what.
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2012-06-28 10:24 AM
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In my son's school, from the first day they suggest you put sunscreen at home, but tell you that you can leave the sunscreen at school and teachers will apply as long as you sign a form allowing it. Not that complicated. It covers their back from parents suing them due to any issue with sunscreens (allergies, etc). Its sad, but schools need to protect themselves from the litigious society we live in. I feel that as long as its communicated to the parents in advance, is not really an issue.

Now, if the kids in the story are "fair skin" and they are going to a field trip, wouldn't the parents put sunscreen? Very easy to blame the school, but the first (and main) party at fault here are the parents. 

2012-06-28 10:26 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-28 9:46 AM

That this idiot mom is blaming the teachers or the school for her kids’ sunburns is exactly the kind of thing that causes these knee-jerk rules to happen in the first place. The mom can’t read a weather report? It is HER FAULT that her kids got burned. Not the teachers’, not the school’s.

It’s so frustrating. People like her are impossible to satisfy. They want the schools/teachers/camps to assume 100% of the responsibility for caring for their kids….except when they don’t. And it’s up to the schools/teachers/camps to be clairvoyant and somehow figure out in advance when she wants what. /rant

X2. that was my point too, just not so eloquently presented

2012-06-28 10:31 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-28 8:46 AM I would argue that it’s not the teachers/counselors job to apply sunscreen to the kids. I’ve never seen a policy in any of my kid’s camps or schools that says that they aren’t allowed to bring it without a doctor’s note. But every one of the camps is very clear that kids are to either come to camp wearing sunscreen or they have to have it with them and be able to apply it themselves. That this idiot mom is blaming the teachers or the school for her kids’ sunburns is exactly the kind of thing that causes these knee-jerk rules to happen in the first place. The mom can’t read a weather report? It is HER FAULT that her kids got burned. Not the teachers’, not the school’s. It’s so frustrating. People like her are impossible to satisfy. They want the schools/teachers/camps to assume 100% of the responsibility for caring for their kids….except when they don’t. And it’s up to the schools/teachers/camps to be clairvoyant and somehow figure out in advance when she wants what. /rant

I cannot agree enough!  I am tired of hearing that the schools are at fault because the parents are too lazy to take care of their children at home and expect them to "raise" them during those hours.  

Aside from the bullying incident I posted that happened at my daughter's school, our school district is in a fight with several parents about the fact that the kids still say the Pledge of Allegiance and the Pledge to the State of Texas every morning.  

2012-06-28 10:35 AM
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But sunscreen rules are common. They typically stem from state and local policies that stop kids from bringing any drug — including non-prescription drugs — to school, says Jeff Ashley, a California dermatologist who leads an advocacy group called Sun Safety for Kids.

Sunscreens are regulated as over-the-counter drugs, so many districts treat them like aspirin, just to be safe, he says.

 

 

I am wondering if people have missed this in the story....

2012-06-28 10:38 AM
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trinnas - 2012-06-28 11:35 AM

But sunscreen rules are common. They typically stem from state and local policies that stop kids from bringing any drug — including non-prescription drugs — to school, says Jeff Ashley, a California dermatologist who leads an advocacy group called Sun Safety for Kids.

Sunscreens are regulated as over-the-counter drugs, so many districts treat them like aspirin, just to be safe, he says.

 

 

I am wondering if people have missed this in the story....



Apparently.

Even if the kiddo was gooped up before going on the trip, he was unable to reapply as necessary to keep from burning. I'm sure none of us have ever sweated off sunscreen, ever, or had it wipe off during the course of the day. Never happens, I'm sure.



2012-06-28 10:42 AM
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Samyg - 2012-06-28 11:24 AM

In my son's school, from the first day they suggest you put sunscreen at home, but tell you that you can leave the sunscreen at school and teachers will apply as long as you sign a form allowing it. Not that complicated. It covers their back from parents suing them due to any issue with sunscreens (allergies, etc). Its sad, but schools need to protect themselves from the litigious society we live in. I feel that as long as its communicated to the parents in advance, is not really an issue.

Now, if the kids in the story are "fair skin" and they are going to a field trip, wouldn't the parents put sunscreen? Very easy to blame the school, but the first (and main) party at fault here are the parents. 

This is how it works at my daughter's daycare, too.  We leave a tube there in case they go outside different days than planned.  We actually have to fill out a form to allow them to put anything on her: sunscreen, diaper rash cream, teething gel, etc. 

2012-06-28 10:44 AM
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Samyg - 2012-06-28 11:24 AM

In my son's school, from the first day they suggest you put sunscreen at home, but tell you that you can leave the sunscreen at school and teachers will apply as long as you sign a form allowing it. Not that complicated. It covers their back from parents suing them due to any issue with sunscreens (allergies, etc). Its sad, but schools need to protect themselves from the litigious society we live in. I feel that as long as its communicated to the parents in advance, is not really an issue.

Now, if the kids in the story are "fair skin" and they are going to a field trip, wouldn't the parents put sunscreen? Very easy to blame the school, but the first (and main) party at fault here are the parents. 



All that's great except for the fact that that school forbid sunscreen regardless of parental desire. Who in the hell would require a doctor's note for sunscreen?

2012-06-28 10:58 AM
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Last Sunday, I applied a generous amount of “Sport” sunscreen in the morning, and, by mid-afternoon, it had all rubbed/sweated off, and I got badly sunburned. Of course, I was racing a HIM. I’m guessing that that’s not what the kids were doing on their field trip?

I’m sorry, but if you apply a decent sunscreen to a kid going out the door in the morning, there’s no way in the course of a normal school day that the sunblock is going to rub off or sweat off to that great a degree, fair skin or not. The mom either forgot to put sunblock on the kid or she looked out the window in the morning, saw clouds and decided not to put any on. Then the sun came out and the girl got burned. Mom’s fault. Period.

Maybe if the trip was to a water park or something, I suppose it could have gotten washed off, but still, it’s the parent’s responsibility to deal with the eventuality. If her kids are that sensitive to the sun that no amount of sunblock applied in the morning would work all day, and if there was no way whatsoever to allow the teachers or the kid herself to re-apply later in the day, she should have kept the kid home. Either way, not the school’s problem.
2012-06-28 11:03 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-28 11:58 AM

Last Sunday, I applied a generous amount of “Sport” sunscreen in the morning, and, by mid-afternoon, it had all rubbed/sweated off, and I got badly sunburned. Of course, I was racing a HIM. I’m guessing that that’s not what the kids were doing on their field trip?

I’m sorry, but if you apply a decent sunscreen to a kid going out the door in the morning, there’s no way in the course of a normal school day that the sunblock is going to rub off or sweat off to that great a degree, fair skin or not. The mom either forgot to put sunblock on the kid or she looked out the window in the morning, saw clouds and decided not to put any on. Then the sun came out and the girl got burned. Mom’s fault. Period.

Maybe if the trip was to a water park or something, I suppose it could have gotten washed off, but still, it’s the parent’s responsibility to deal with the eventuality. If her kids are that sensitive to the sun that no amount of sunblock applied in the morning would work all day, and if there was no way whatsoever to allow the teachers or the kid herself to re-apply later in the day, she should have kept the kid home. Either way, not the school’s problem.


You mean like the field day the kids were on... You know, running, jumping, three legged race, etc. Nahh, just ignore that and blame the parents for the school not even allowing them the option of using it later when the rain clears up. Yeah, that's easier.


2012-06-28 11:14 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-28 8:58 AM Last Sunday, I applied a generous amount of “Sport” sunscreen in the morning, and, by mid-afternoon, it had all rubbed/sweated off, and I got badly sunburned. Of course, I was racing a HIM. I’m guessing that that’s not what the kids were doing on their field trip? I’m sorry, but if you apply a decent sunscreen to a kid going out the door in the morning, there’s no way in the course of a normal school day that the sunblock is going to rub off or sweat off to that great a degree, fair skin or not. The mom either forgot to put sunblock on the kid or she looked out the window in the morning, saw clouds and decided not to put any on. Then the sun came out and the girl got burned. Mom’s fault. Period. Maybe if the trip was to a water park or something, I suppose it could have gotten washed off, but still, it’s the parent’s responsibility to deal with the eventuality. If her kids are that sensitive to the sun that no amount of sunblock applied in the morning would work all day, and if there was no way whatsoever to allow the teachers or the kid herself to re-apply later in the day, she should have kept the kid home. Either way, not the school’s problem.

There's another article reporting that one of the girls is an albino:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/26/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-injured-idUS78344297120120626

but if I were her parent, knowing that, I'd have her in long sleeves and a hat.



2012-06-28 11:23 AM
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Man...Up here in Seattle, we don't even see the sun October through June.  This hasn't even been something that's come up.
2012-06-28 11:25 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-28 11:58 AM Last Sunday, I applied a generous amount of “Sport” sunscreen in the morning, and, by mid-afternoon, it had all rubbed/sweated off, and I got badly sunburned. Of course, I was racing a HIM. I’m guessing that that’s not what the kids were doing on their field trip? I’m sorry, but if you apply a decent sunscreen to a kid going out the door in the morning, there’s no way in the course of a normal school day that the sunblock is going to rub off or sweat off to that great a degree, fair skin or not. T

Ummmmm Wrong!:



Q. What is the protocol for applying sunscreen?

A. It should be applied one-half hour before going outside, giving the skin time to absorb it. Because sunscreen tends to be broken down over time by the sun, and rubbed or washed off with sweating and water exposure, it should be reapplied at least every two hours outdoors, and immediately after swimming or heavy sweating. At least one ounce (two tablespoons) is needed to cover the entire body surface.

 

And regardless of marketing there is no such thing as waterproof or sweat proof... resistant yes but proof no.

 

2012-06-28 11:43 AM
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spudone - 2012-06-28 12:14 PM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-28 8:58 AM Last Sunday, I applied a generous amount of “Sport” sunscreen in the morning, and, by mid-afternoon, it had all rubbed/sweated off, and I got badly sunburned. Of course, I was racing a HIM. I’m guessing that that’s not what the kids were doing on their field trip? I’m sorry, but if you apply a decent sunscreen to a kid going out the door in the morning, there’s no way in the course of a normal school day that the sunblock is going to rub off or sweat off to that great a degree, fair skin or not. The mom either forgot to put sunblock on the kid or she looked out the window in the morning, saw clouds and decided not to put any on. Then the sun came out and the girl got burned. Mom’s fault. Period. Maybe if the trip was to a water park or something, I suppose it could have gotten washed off, but still, it’s the parent’s responsibility to deal with the eventuality. If her kids are that sensitive to the sun that no amount of sunblock applied in the morning would work all day, and if there was no way whatsoever to allow the teachers or the kid herself to re-apply later in the day, she should have kept the kid home. Either way, not the school’s problem.

There's another article reporting that one of the girls is an albino:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/26/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-injured-idUS78344297120120626

but if I were her parent, knowing that, I'd have her in long sleeves and a hat.



Hats aren't allowed at that school.

The school did not bring the field day inside due to rain. The girls were kept on the track for the field day even after the sun came out. Parent volunteers and teachers were commenting on how burnt the girls were getting but did not even bring them inside.

Apparently a teacher put sunscreen on in front of the students. Gee, that was nice.

Yeah, the school's entirely innocent.

2012-06-28 11:59 AM
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Once again, California is ahead of the curve. For ten years now, they've had a law on the books allowing sun protection for the kiddos. Seems simple.
2012-06-28 12:01 PM
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zed707 - 2012-06-28 12:59 PM Once again, California is ahead of the curve. For ten years now, they've had a law on the books allowing sun protection for the kiddos. Seems simple.

No not simple!  The fact that they would need a flippin law for sunscreen is one of the very thing that is going way wrong in this country.



2012-06-28 12:14 PM
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I guess I'm more shocked/surprised that the teacher didn't see a problem and get them some cover.  As a daycamp counselor when I was younger, I would see sunburn coming and get them in some shade or something.
2012-06-28 12:23 PM
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Did I read a different article? Where did you get "running, jumping, three-legged race"?

And yes, like so many other things, it is the parent's responsibility. Was every other kid in the school burned to a crisp too? I'm going to guess not. Where are the hundreds of other parents from the same school wailing about their poor children who were denied sunblock as theiy roasted in the opressive heat? Please. It's yet another example, and there are hundreds every day, it seems, of parents expecting everyone else to be responsible for their kids. But, on the other hand, I'm sure if a well-meaning teacher had take pity on the poor kids and put sunblock on her daughters, this mome would be blogging about how they used a non-organic, non-hypoalergenic product on her daughter and HOW DARE THEY!?!?!
2012-06-28 12:23 PM
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trinnas - 2012-06-28 12:01 PM

zed707 - 2012-06-28 12:59 PM Once again, California is ahead of the curve. For ten years now, they've had a law on the books allowing sun protection for the kiddos. Seems simple.

No not simple!  The fact that they would need a flippin law for sunscreen is one of the very thing that is going way wrong in this country.

Yep, it is simple. It's a simple solution to a complex issue. We've got millions of kids in schools and thousands of over the counter drugs available. It's probably not a good idea to allow uncontrolled access or completely ban all of these drugs from schools--it's gotta be somewhere in the middle. So the devil's in the details.

It's a little over the top to say that this is what's "going way wrong in this country".

2012-06-28 12:32 PM
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zed707 - 2012-06-28 1:23 PM
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zed707 - 2012-06-28 12:59 PM Once again, California is ahead of the curve. For ten years now, they've had a law on the books allowing sun protection for the kiddos. Seems simple.

No not simple!  The fact that they would need a flippin law for sunscreen is one of the very thing that is going way wrong in this country.

Yep, it is simple. It's a simple solution to a complex issue. We've got millions of kids in schools and thousands of over the counter drugs available. It's probably not a good idea to allow uncontrolled access or completely ban all of these drugs from schools--it's gotta be somewhere in the middle. So the devil's in the details.

It's a little over the top to say that this is what's "going way wrong in this country".

I don't agree the fact that we make a rule about making a rule so that nobody might ever get hurt or inconvienenced or something bad never happens is what is going way wrong.  How about we treat the bad people like bad people and leave the rest alone.   No instead we make a rule that little johny can't do x,y, z cause somebody some where did that in a bad way so we have to make sure that that bad thing never happens again.  It is amazing how we adults managed to survive to be adults with all the things we used to do like go outside and play and take an asprin when we had a headache and put sunscreen on when we wanted to.

The more rules you have the more unintended consequences you get.

I find it so very ironic that the hippie generation was all about how the man was keeping them down with all their BS rules and such yet when they got to power the rules went off the charts.

It seems so many people want to make sure to make rules about the things you do that annoy them but the carp they do well that stuff's off limits it's their freedom you know.

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