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2012-12-11 8:04 PM

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Subject: School Sports Day disappointment.....

So it's Sports Day at my daughter's school today - she's 7.  Firstly I can't be there - that's another thread on working mums right there.

BUT - the issues is I get a call from a friend's mum - she said I got your daughter here she's terribly upset can she speak to you.

So she gets on the phone, sobbing - mummy I don't wanna do this anymore, I just keep losing.  so I ask her the results in the actual events - they get scored from 0 - 3 with 3 the best.  She got one 3 for high jump.  She got two zeros (running) and a couple of 1's and 2's.  She's got four 'event's after lunch - one running, two throwing and one jumping. 

So this is what I said - firstly I didn't want to make it more melodramatic than it already was.  '

you've clearly done well at one event, quite well at others and yes sprinting and running aren't your best.'

(She is the youngest in her grade because she started school a year earlier than most - in Australia you have the option to hold your kids back a year before they start school - I didn't but a lot did)

'I know you don't want to but you have to go back out there after lunch and just do your best.  I think the throwing and the jump you'll do well at and just go as fast as you can in the sprint.'

I didn't want to say - never mind dear well done.  She needs to know that life is full of people better than you are at some stuff.  I also didn't want to make it more important than it is.

Welcome some feedback.   It's tough when you can't be there some days.

 

 



2012-12-11 8:36 PM
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I don't have any little ones, but I feel for your daughter. 

Personally,  I applaud that you encouraged her to get back out there when she wanted to throw in the towel.  I hope her afternoon went better and that she had fun. 

2012-12-11 8:53 PM
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Gawd, that stuff breaks my heart.  Seeing loved ones sad/hurt, especially kids, is hard to take.  I know it's life and there are hard lessons and probably doesn't matter in the long run, but that's little consolation at the moment.
2012-12-11 8:55 PM
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I think you taught the best lesson:  Losing is never a reason to quit.

Next-best lesson:  Lose with grace and dignity.

 

 

2012-12-11 9:09 PM
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moondawg14 - 2012-12-11 8:55 PM

I think you taught the best lesson:  Losing is never a reason to quit.

Next-best lesson:  Lose with grace and dignity.

 

 

Agreed.Now, since I can't do a red sarc font on an iPad, I'll state that the next statement is "smarmy" and I'm only teasing- tell her to HTFU!!
2012-12-11 9:11 PM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-12-12 2:09 PM
moondawg14 - 2012-12-11 8:55 PM

I think you taught the best lesson:  Losing is never a reason to quit.

Next-best lesson:  Lose with grace and dignity.

 

 

Agreed.Now, since I can't do a red sarc font on an iPad, I'll state that the next statement is "smarmy" and I'm only teasing- tell her to HTFU!! [/QUOTE]

Fixed it - actually that is what I wanted to say.  I said go and have fun with it.  I also said, look mummy never wins at triathlon (been last quite often) but I still do it and I still have fun.  Probably not helped that it's about 93F today.



2012-12-11 9:23 PM
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Teaching kids it is OK to fail, is a huge part of their development (and something I wished I was better at as a kid).  My son is uber competitive, and kinda freaks if he doesn't win or isn't the best on his first attempt.  It's tough trying to teach him many times the only thing worth doing is something you fail at first is going to take a while.
2012-12-11 9:45 PM
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jmcconne - 2012-12-12 2:23 PM Teaching kids it is OK to fail, is a huge part of their development (and something I wished I was better at as a kid).  My son is uber competitive, and kinda freaks if he doesn't win or isn't the best on his first attempt.  It's tough trying to teach him many times the only thing worth doing is something you fail at first is going to take a while.

Yeah it's hard for me to understand, I am the least competitive person on the planet - just doesn't matter to me.  BUT she takes after my husband in that respect - so I try to manage her expectations as best I can.  I did also say to her - see training is important....

2012-12-11 9:50 PM
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I feel for you mom and your daughter. You did a great job at handling a bad situation and making it better. I, as a parent, hate those situations.
2012-12-12 4:07 AM
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All better in the afternoon she won the sprint second in the long jump and her House won the day over all. Tough day for mum and kid but we are through and smiling!
2012-12-12 6:27 AM
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Agree I think you handled it well!



2012-12-12 7:50 AM
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My daughter is almost 4 and I am not looking forward to when she stops achieving near 100 percent success on life tasks.

I think you make a good point with the training comment. I am not sure when is too young to start that, or how old kids have to be to understand that improvement takes consistent practice over time. To be honest I don't think I really figured that out until I was in my 30s.

2012-12-12 9:45 AM
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jobaxas - 2012-12-11 8:04 PM

 

BUT - the issues is I get a call from a friend's mum - she said I got your daughter here she's terribly upset can she speak to you.

 

 

I agree with everyone else that you handled it well but question the above - This Mom called you at WORK on her cell phone for what is clearly not an emergency? 

I personally think there is sometimes too much communication between kids and parents ie cell phones and always being reach-able. I think sometimes this prevents kids from working something out on their own and learning to make decisions for themselves.  I know there were times when I was a kid and had to work things out with friends or siblings or at school because my Mom worked and you just didn't call parents at work back then unless it was an emergency. 

2012-12-12 9:47 AM
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BigDH - 2012-12-12 7:50 AM My daughter is almost 4 and I am not looking forward to when she stops achieving near 100 percent success on life tasks. I think you make a good point with the training comment. I am not sure when is too young to start that, or how old kids have to be to understand that improvement takes consistent practice over time. To be honest I don't think I really figured that out until I was in my 30s.

Training for kids is just playing. The important thing for them to learn is that not being able to do something perfectly the first time, or not being as good at something as one of their peers is normal.  Main thing I'm trying to get my kids to learn is that anything that is really cool to do is going to require failing a bunch and most likely getting hurt a few times.

2012-12-12 10:43 AM
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I think you did great!  Maybe you could have the school slip her a note that says you called and were thinking about her.

I also think the other parent did the right thing by calling.  I WANT other parents watching out for my kids; just as I will watch out for them.  It takes a village to raise a child. 

The single most important thing I want my young kids to know is...I AM HERE FOR YOU!

2012-12-12 1:40 PM
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The other parent who called is a neighbour and very close friend I have no issue with her calling me. We speak most every day o. The phone and email at work we're buddies.


2012-12-12 2:06 PM
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I have very mixed feelings about this. On one hand, one of the reasons I hated sports and athletics growing up (and did not start to do anything physically competitive until I was nearly 30) was the whole mentality of scoring and comparing yourself to others. Those of us who are not naturally athletic are going to do poorly. And in a very public forum. It sucks big time. Imagine if your test scores were posted and announced for everyone to see - the kids who were struggling academically would feel horrible, and might well decide that reading is just not for them.

On the other hand, learning to work with your strengths, and acknowledging your weaknesses is a big part of growning up. When my oldest was in 1st grade, she was upset that her art work (at the open house) wasn't as good as some of her peers. Which was true. However, she had two other big talents, that she then used. One was her literacy - she could read and write at an advanced level, and like to make up stories. The other was her social skills - so she would get her friends who were better at art to illustrate her stories for her. Win-win all around.

I think what you said is pretty much spot on - in the grand scheme, it's not a big deal. And if she wants to run better, then she should run more. But she should know there will probably always be faster kids than her.

But I am trying to figure out the scoring system you describe. What gave her a 0 for running? Did she just plop down and refuse to run? Because it seems to me that even trying to run should get you a 1; and getting a 2 or 3 should be based on some similar objective criteria (e.g. running the whole distance without walking, and running within a certain cutoff time). Getting a 0 even if you are trying is a good way to encourage kids to not bother even trying. Hurray for obesity and inactivity?!?

2012-12-12 2:42 PM
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You did well.  Good on ya she-la!

All you can do is encourage them.  They need to learn to push themselves to achieve their own goals.  They need to learn that they'll be good at a few (or maybe just one) sport and poor at many many other things in life.  And they'll learn that even if you don't win, being proud of yourself is the most important accomplishment.  My sports were wrestling and baseball.  I simply sucked at most every other thing I tried.  And in some years, losing was the norm.  I remember calls to my grandfather, "How's little league going this year?"  "Fun, but my team stinks so bad.  We haven't won a single game."  "Why is that?"  "We have no pitching at all.  The other teams got the good picthers."  "Well Doug, why don't you try pitching?"  "Common' grandpa!  We've played catch before.  You know I'm a third baseman.  I can't pitch for my life.  My curveball hangs like it's on a platter!"

We in amateur triathlons are a perfect example.  99% of us don't race for a spot on the podium and have little to no chance of getting there.  We race against ourselves.  So in fact, every race we compete in, we're technically "not winning".  But that doesn't make us "losers".

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My 8-yr-old son's Tae Kwon Do is a good example.  When he started 3 years ago at a very young 5, his sinsei explained before their first tournament that it would be very different from what they were used to.  "In just about all of your sports, in the YMCA leagues, you all get a trophy at the end of the year.  That's not how it works here.  If you win first, second, or third you earn a trophy.  Theer are usually 12-16 kids in a divisional bracket and that means only 3 will win trophies and up to 13 will not.  If you don't win a trophy, it doesn't make you a loser.  It just means that you have to see WHY you didn't win and then train harder so that the next time, you might win.  I didn't win any trophies the first couple of tournaments I competed in and I don't expect you to either.  Do your best and be proud of yourself that you did your best.  We'll work together as a school to make you better and you will win trophies if you train hard enough with your classmates."

When Kyle was (a young) 6 he competed in 5 tournaments and never wona single trophy.  In his last tourney, he was up against 12 kids in a 6-7 age group.  All of his opponents were bigger and had higher, more advanced belts than him.  He won 2 bouts and then lost in the semi-final.  He then fought for 3rd place against a boy almost a foot taller and almost 2 years older than him.  He did his very best and the match went a long time.  This boy kept swing big kicks which Kyle kept blocking time and time again.  Kyle kept adjusting, but couldn't get inside on the big kid.  Finally time ran out and the other boy was declared the winner.

Kyle came running off the mat with a HUGE smile on his face.  "Did you see that?!  Did you see me?!  Wasn't that AWESOME!!!"  His sinsei came to talk to him and Kyle was so proud of himself.  "He was so much bigger and a blue belt and I kept blocking him and was almost able to win!  I'm getting so close Master Berry!  I'll bet the next time, I may actually even win a trophy!  I can't wait to train again.  You have to work with me and show me how to get inside on the bigger kids so I can get better and win!"

We were all practically in tears.  Never was a kid so happy about losing.  Ice cream sundays all around to celebrate the loss!

2 years later...  The youngest member (ever) of the school's black belt club at 8...  About 10 hours of training a week...  And in the big tournament in September in a division of 16 kids, the championship was his!

2012-12-12 2:56 PM
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gearboy - 2012-12-13 7:06 AM

I have very mixed feelings about this. On one hand, one of the reasons I hated sports and athletics growing up (and did not start to do anything physically competitive until I was nearly 30) was the whole mentality of scoring and comparing yourself to others. Those of us who are not naturally athletic are going to do poorly. And in a very public forum. It sucks big time. Imagine if your test scores were posted and announced for everyone to see - the kids who were struggling academically would feel horrible, and might well decide that reading is just not for them.

On the other hand, learning to work with your strengths, and acknowledging your weaknesses is a big part of growning up. When my oldest was in 1st grade, she was upset that her art work (at the open house) wasn't as good as some of her peers. Which was true. However, she had two other big talents, that she then used. One was her literacy - she could read and write at an advanced level, and like to make up stories. The other was her social skills - so she would get her friends who were better at art to illustrate her stories for her. Win-win all around.

I think what you said is pretty much spot on - in the grand scheme, it's not a big deal. And if she wants to run better, then she should run more. But she should know there will probably always be faster kids than her.

But I am trying to figure out the scoring system you describe. What gave her a 0 for running? Did she just plop down and refuse to run? Because it seems to me that even trying to run should get you a 1; and getting a 2 or 3 should be based on some similar objective criteria (e.g. running the whole distance without walking, and running within a certain cutoff time). Getting a 0 even if you are trying is a good way to encourage kids to not bother even trying. Hurray for obesity and inactivity?!?

Dunno how the scoring g works but yeah zero was an option. She too is advanced in literacy and fluently reads writes and speaks Greek she can't be good at it all. The 200m was a zero and she told me she was winning but stopped she was too hot it was 93f!! She was upset with herself and wished she had kept going. She fell in the hurdles that was another zero she's as skinny as a greyhound don't think obesity is gonna figure and in a school of around 300 kids there are maybe five overweight ones very encouraging
2012-12-12 3:00 PM
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That is awesome! Tae kwon do is tough. I'm glad they didn't hand out medals at the school for turning up it was team sports her team won and she learned that doing your best for the team counts. I'm proud of her
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