14 year old shoots intruder

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Now THAT'S gun control.

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joestop74 - 2012-12-18 9:49 AM

Here.

Not trying to stir any gun debate, it's just nice to see that a man trained his son well and his son was able to defend his family.

We focus so much on inappropriate use of firearms, it's nice to see they can save lives too.

QUOTE from story,

“The police and indeed our community does not ever want to see a situation where a teenager of that age has to take a weapon to protect his family … but this young man did exactly what he should have done,” said Officer James Holmes.

Good for him.

I know I struggle with my kids and self defense firearms access. Our kids are 18, 16, and 14 and we occasionally will leave them home alone for a few days. I do give my oldest pepper spray and a tactical light for self defense, but I haven't given him access to any of the guns yet.

My middle son has a good friend whose dad is a State Patrol officer and he gave his son a glock for under his bed when he was 13 because they live out in the country and he's home alone quite a bit.

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Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

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tuwood - 2012-12-18 11:23 AM

joestop74 - 2012-12-18 9:49 AM

Here.

Not trying to stir any gun debate, it's just nice to see that a man trained his son well and his son was able to defend his family.

We focus so much on inappropriate use of firearms, it's nice to see they can save lives too.

QUOTE from story,

“The police and indeed our community does not ever want to see a situation where a teenager of that age has to take a weapon to protect his family … but this young man did exactly what he should have done,” said Officer James Holmes.

Good for him.

I know I struggle with my kids and self defense firearms access. Our kids are 18, 16, and 14 and we occasionally will leave them home alone for a few days. I do give my oldest pepper spray and a tactical light for self defense, but I haven't given him access to any of the guns yet.

My middle son has a good friend whose dad is a State Patrol officer and he gave his son a glock for under his bed when he was 13 because they live out in the country and he's home alone quite a bit.

So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection?

1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun
2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments?
3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed?
4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this?
5.) You think this was a good idea?

Wow. just. wow.

Edited by pitt83 2012-12-18 10:34 AM

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 9:29 AM

Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

does not sit well with me either.

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Not necessarily endorsing everything, but I'm ok with the bad guy getting shot and innocent children alive and well.

Not saying this is the way I would do it and I do understand concerns.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 11:29 AM

Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

I fail to see what could be sitting wrongly. A man FORCED entry into a locked home.... it's kinda impossible for him to have chosen wrongly here - unless he didn't shoot.

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Yeah, this doesn't sit well with me either. 24,000 gun accidents in 2011. For each one you read about someone 'saving themselves' there always several of these:

Man shoots costumed girl he thinks is a skunk.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 10:29 AM

Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

So you're willing to take a chance that someone....who's not supposed to be in your house....may or may not be armed/dangerous....or just there to, quote you, "stolen a few things and left".

What kind of fantasy world do you live in? Will you shout from your bedroom "hey....are you here to hurt me or just take a few things?" If someone is in my house and is there with the intent to harm me or take my TV....it doesn't matter. I will shoot him/her and ask questions later.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

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cgregg - 2012-12-18 11:43 AM

BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 11:29 AM

Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

I fail to see what could be sitting wrongly. A man FORCED entry into a locked home.... it's kinda impossible for him to have chosen wrongly here - unless he didn't shoot.

i'm with bikergrrrrl, but i also don't really like stand your ground type laws. i just think shooting should be LAST response, not first. i especially don't like teaching your kid to just shoot anyone entering your home.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 8:29 AM

Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

His partner was banging on the door, and then the door was forced open. You want to assume he was suddenly not violent? I'll side with the kid, who used logic and common sense, and decided not to take a chance with his life and the the life of his siblings.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 11:32 AM

tuwood - 2012-12-18 11:23 AM

joestop74 - 2012-12-18 9:49 AM

Here.

Not trying to stir any gun debate, it's just nice to see that a man trained his son well and his son was able to defend his family.

We focus so much on inappropriate use of firearms, it's nice to see they can save lives too.

QUOTE from story,

“The police and indeed our community does not ever want to see a situation where a teenager of that age has to take a weapon to protect his family … but this young man did exactly what he should have done,” said Officer James Holmes.

Good for him.

I know I struggle with my kids and self defense firearms access. Our kids are 18, 16, and 14 and we occasionally will leave them home alone for a few days. I do give my oldest pepper spray and a tactical light for self defense, but I haven't given him access to any of the guns yet.

My middle son has a good friend whose dad is a State Patrol officer and he gave his son a glock for under his bed when he was 13 because they live out in the country and he's home alone quite a bit.

So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

Add another Wow...

I hardly ever participate on gun threads but i find this wrong in so many levels.

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r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect?

Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!!

It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Edited by pitt83 2012-12-18 10:55 AM

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:32 AM

tuwood - 2012-12-18 11:23 AM

joestop74 - 2012-12-18 9:49 AM

Here.

Not trying to stir any gun debate, it's just nice to see that a man trained his son well and his son was able to defend his family.

We focus so much on inappropriate use of firearms, it's nice to see they can save lives too.

QUOTE from story,

“The police and indeed our community does not ever want to see a situation where a teenager of that age has to take a weapon to protect his family … but this young man did exactly what he should have done,” said Officer James Holmes.

Good for him.

I know I struggle with my kids and self defense firearms access. Our kids are 18, 16, and 14 and we occasionally will leave them home alone for a few days. I do give my oldest pepper spray and a tactical light for self defense, but I haven't given him access to any of the guns yet.

My middle son has a good friend whose dad is a State Patrol officer and he gave his son a glock for under his bed when he was 13 because they live out in the country and he's home alone quite a bit.

So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

Mostly inaccurate and overly dramatic. There was nothing illegal done in this case......NOTHING.

I wouldn't leave a gun unattended with my kids......I think the potential is too great for an accident. In this case, the bad guy is shot and the kids are safe....happy ending. As the Police Officer in the article stated....the kid did exactly what he should have done.

7	Subject: RE: 14 year old shoots intruder what if the guy would have possibly raped the poor boy? we really dont know what this man would have done. bottom line, if you want to prolong your life, KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN and dont provoke someone till they feel threatened.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

What specific law('s) were broken?

From some of the responses on this thread it sounds like there are people who would rather see this young man have been beaten or killed rather than have the ability to defend himself.

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The only question I have is that the headline says the intruder was armed, but the article doesn’t mention anything about the intruder having a weapon.

Regardless, personally, I have no problem with it.

It’s not as though the intruder was out on the front lawn and the kid shot at him through the window. He forced open the door and came into the house.

In general, I wouldn’t be in favor of parents leaving their unsecured guns in the hands of their teenagers when no adult supervision was around. I think there’s waaay more bad that can come from that than good, but in this case it worked out for the best. Good for the parents for ensuring that the kid was well-trained,and I'm sorry for whatever trauma the kid and his siblings suffered as a result.

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r1237h - 2012-12-18 10:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

I don't know the particular law, but this sounds reasonable. I don't know if I would give a 13 year old a gun either, as a first option to protect. If I had a gun, my 13 year old might know where it is and how to use it properly, but I wouldn't give it to him for protection while babysitting.

And, as for the intruder, he broke in to the wrong house. If I had a gun, and I'd taken the proper training, I'm going verify the intruder, then I'm going to shoot him, and ask questions later. I will not wait around and see if he's carrying a gun or going to be violent to me or my family. He shouldn't be in my house in the first place. If he's breaking and entering, I'm going to assume he has intent to harm first.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Do you just make up facts if you don't have any? Where does it say the gun was in the kids room? Where does it say it wasn't in a safe? How did you come up with the "sellign drug evidence" analogy. Your post is much more troubling to me than anything about that incident.

Pitt, you need to understand that you are part of the problem. People who own guns point to people like you as being too emotional to even talk to about the issue.

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r1237h - 2012-12-18 10:52 AM

BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 8:29 AM

Sorry, I can help myself.

This story just doesn't sit well with me. The kid saw the intruder, saw/assumed he had a gun, and just fired? What if the guy hadn't been armed, actually? What if the police fired at everyone who carried a gun and looked a little suspicious. Well, I guess that might get rid of the guns.

We'll never know if the intruder would have just stolen a few things and left, or if they would have charged up the stairs and shot at the kids. I just don't think it's okay to shoot people, sorry. Doesn't matter to me if the person is good, bad or otherwise.

This just reminds me of the story of the guy who shot his granddaughter because he thought she was an intruder. For him to attempt the shot, he must have been about as "sure" of the threat as this kid was. He chose wrong. Pretty big consequences. http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.html?refer=y

His partner was banging on the door, and then the door was forced open. You want to assume he was suddenly not violent? I'll side with the kid, who used logic and common sense, and decided not to take a chance with his life and the the life of his siblings.

Yea, I hate the thought of children, and even young adults put in circumstances where they have to quickly process a situation like this and possibly end someone's life. With that said, if someone breaks into a house regardless their intent, they should probably expect the worst form the occupant of the home. I certainly don't expect the occupant to have to rationalize if the person is just there to take a few things, murder or kidnap someone, or borrow a cup of sugar. That is just unrealistic.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-18 12:06 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Do you just make up facts if you don't have any? Where does it say the gun was in the kids room? Where does it say it wasn't in a safe? How did you come up with the "sellign drug evidence" analogy. Your post is much more troubling to me than anything about that incident.

Pitt, you need to understand that you are part of the problem. People who own guns point to people like you as being too emotional to even talk to about the issue.

read more carefully, pitt is NOT talking about the original article, but the follow up comment about a friend's kid.

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crusevegas - 2012-12-18 12:02 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

What specific law('s) were broken?

From some of the responses on this thread it sounds like there are people who would rather see this young man have been beaten or killed rather than have the ability to defend himself.

I dont think Pitt's comments were in regards to the incident in the article...

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Good...sorry I missed that. And Pitt, I apologize, After your initial overly dramatic response I thought you had come completely unhinged.

My bad....again, I apologize.

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