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2013-01-16 9:34 PM

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Subject: Wife asked an interesting question...

For my IM what is the longest training day you think I should have and what will it look like in the sense of what activities I will do for what duration?

 

Assume I am going to try and break 13 hours.



2013-01-16 9:38 PM
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Depending on your plan but probably a 6-7 hr ride.  Some will add an hour run in after.  I don't think I ever had more than a 7 hr day or so.
2013-01-16 9:38 PM
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Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.
2013-01-16 9:39 PM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

I don't understand the 90 minute breaks.

2013-01-16 9:50 PM
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my longest day was a simulated a little more than 70.3. and i raced IMAZ, goal was 11 but got sick the week of and finished in 12 and change.

2km swim - 32ish
60mi bike - 3:05ish
13.1mi run - 1:52ish

2013-01-16 9:57 PM
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I think the longest one on my plan is 7 hours. 6 hour bike one hour run. But I'm avoiding looking too closely that far ahead


2013-01-16 10:14 PM
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I did a few 100+ rides followed by a 6-10 mile run. That was about as far as my plan called for.
2013-01-16 10:49 PM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 7:38 PMWell you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.
What plan is that? That is an insanely long and unnecessary day. My opinion only of course.
2013-01-17 12:48 AM
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Last year I hit the 13 mark. My long day was a few bricks here and there. Long bike close to 6 hours then about 10 on the run. I used my sons baseball games as my destination to run to. For me last year it was the mental part of being able to move constantly for those hours. As in run not walk. Other than that a few 4-6 hour days on a weekend here and there.
2013-01-17 12:50 AM
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I am at work so I don't have the book in front of me so I may be off in the swim/run times a tad. Joel Friel's book Your' Best Triathlon.

Guy knows what he's talking about that's for sure. I've listened to Crowie and some other pros talk about taking breaks in between each discipline on their big days. He devoted a section in this book to "big" days. I'll get more info once I get home and get back with you.
2013-01-17 6:32 AM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 9:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

 

Interesting concept. That would be a 12-13 hour day, I personally wouldn't want to do that but if it works for you then that's all that matters. If I "rested" for 90 minutes after a 6 hr bike ride there is no way I'm getting back up for a 2 1/2 hour run.

 

To the OP my longest training day will be a 6 hour bike (Fitzgerald Level 6 plan).



2013-01-17 6:32 AM
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my longest day for both my IMs was a 3000 m swim, 130 km ride and 15 km run.
2013-01-17 6:33 AM
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Oh...this is about triathlons.
2013-01-17 6:34 AM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

I don't understand the 90 minute breaks.

I don't understand the 1.5-2 hour swim?  for me, that would be something like 7000 m?

2013-01-17 6:46 AM
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My longest day is a 4:30 ride.
2013-01-17 8:00 AM
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FranzZemen - 2013-01-17 3:33 AM Oh...this is about triathlons.

Hah!



2013-01-17 8:11 AM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

Yep, I did something like this two month out and then a month out from IMLP. Not sure it would have much use for someone looking to PR, but as a first-time Ironman, it REALLY helped my confidence on race day, especially since I did it all on the race courses. I considered it my "secret weapon" for getting to the finish line.

2013-01-17 8:33 AM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

Yep, I did something like this two month out and then a month out from IMLP. Not sure it would have much use for someone looking to PR, but as a first-time Ironman, it REALLY helped my confidence on race day, especially since I did it all on the race courses. I considered it my "secret weapon" for getting to the finish line.

As others have said, that is a very very BAD idea!  The recovery alone from this is going to be equivalent to your IM race day (read: 3-4 weeks).  There is absolutely no reason to do this workout above, especially if you are looking at a 15+ IM day.

In my 5+ years of coaching I have never come across an athlete I have trained, consulted or spoken to that this workout would benefit.  Not one.  I believe you may want to review what that workouts really calls for.

If you're going to do a race simulation, I would recommend a Saturday with a 4500m swim, then an 80 miler at IM effort.  Follow that up with a Sunday workout of 50 miles at IM effort and then a 10-12 mile run. 

The above, IMHO, gives you the necessary confidence (fatigue-wise) and also forces you to address nutrition and the mental aspects of an IM race day while not causing you to have to recover for more than a couple of days.

But as others have also said, YMMV.

2013-01-17 8:46 AM
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8.5 hour ride through the mountains. Was very good for me mentally even if it did take a couple days to fully recover.
2013-01-17 9:08 AM
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Kido - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Depending on your plan but probably a 6-7 hr ride.  Some will add an hour run in after.  I don't think I ever had more than a 7 hr day or so.

My plan was the same thing as the above.

2013-01-17 9:09 AM
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Bevie - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

Yep, I did something like this two month out and then a month out from IMLP. Not sure it would have much use for someone looking to PR, but as a first-time Ironman, it REALLY helped my confidence on race day, especially since I did it all on the race courses. I considered it my "secret weapon" for getting to the finish line.

As others have said, that is a very very BAD idea!  The recovery alone from this is going to be equivalent to your IM race day (read: 3-4 weeks).  There is absolutely no reason to do this workout above, especially if you are looking at a 15+ IM day.

In my 5+ years of coaching I have never come across an athlete I have trained, consulted or spoken to that this workout would benefit.  Not one.  I believe you may want to review what that workouts really calls for.

If you're going to do a race simulation, I would recommend a Saturday with a 4500m swim, then an 80 miler at IM effort.  Follow that up with a Sunday workout of 50 miles at IM effort and then a 10-12 mile run. 

The above, IMHO, gives you the necessary confidence (fatigue-wise) and also forces you to address nutrition and the mental aspects of an IM race day while not causing you to have to recover for more than a couple of days.

But as others have also said, YMMV.

I tend to do race simulations for sprints and olympics.  I imagine your advice might be different for those (even if you disagreed with doing race simulations).  What would you recommend for the HIM distance?  Currently my race simulation is every Sunday, with a 2000 meter swim, about 40 mile bike, and 7 mile run.  It seems to not wear on me - but I am interested in the wisdom of doing this.  For my Sprint/Olympic distances, it was no drain at all and seemed to be the reason I propelled from zero to age group podium last summer.



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Bevie - 2013-01-16 10:38 PM Well you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.

Yep, I did something like this two month out and then a month out from IMLP. Not sure it would have much use for someone looking to PR, but as a first-time Ironman, it REALLY helped my confidence on race day, especially since I did it all on the race courses. I considered it my "secret weapon" for getting to the finish line.

As others have said, that is a very very BAD idea!  The recovery alone from this is going to be equivalent to your IM race day (read: 3-4 weeks).  There is absolutely no reason to do this workout above, especially if you are looking at a 15+ IM day.

In my 5+ years of coaching I have never come across an athlete I have trained, consulted or spoken to that this workout would benefit.  Not one.  I believe you may want to review what that workouts really calls for.

If you're going to do a race simulation, I would recommend a Saturday with a 4500m swim, then an 80 miler at IM effort.  Follow that up with a Sunday workout of 50 miles at IM effort and then a 10-12 mile run. 

The above, IMHO, gives you the necessary confidence (fatigue-wise) and also forces you to address nutrition and the mental aspects of an IM race day while not causing you to have to recover for more than a couple of days.

But as others have also said, YMMV.

I'm not looking for a race simulation as I have a HIM a couple months prior. But would you still recommend the Sat/Sun effort? How far out from race day? Thanks
2013-01-17 9:09 AM
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ChrisM - 2013-01-16 11:49 PM
Bevie - 2013-01-16 7:38 PMWell you should have a couple simulation days thrown in there. 1.5-2 hour swim. 90 minute break. 5-6 six hour bike. 90 minute break. 2-2.5 hour run. At least something sorta like that is what my plan is saying for me.
What plan is that? That is an insanely long and unnecessary day. My opinion only of course.

Agreed, sounds like doing nearly an ironman in order to train for an ironman.

2013-01-17 9:21 AM
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A HIM is a great indicator of your fitness for IM if done 6-7 weeks out, but not a great race simulation.  I like this window because it allows for you to still fix things if needed right before your ramp up.  If you are not doing any race simulations in your training, then I suggest you review that.

The weekend given is a great gauge of where you are for IM day (if done properly) and I would do this about a month out from the race. This gives you time to make any adjustments (mostly nutrition-wise) in the next two weeks of your peak/race specific build before you hit a 2 week taper.

The biggest mistake, IMHO, that most IM athletes (novice and experienced) make is not practicing EXACTLY what they will do on race day nutrition-wise, pacing-wise and even clothing-wise.  This should all be nailed down more than a month before the race and practiced practiced practiced.

2013-01-17 9:26 AM
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Doing IMAZ this year. My longest training day will be the Redman full aqua-bike in September. My thought was it would give me the confidence of the full swim and bike without all the run pounding. I felt it was more bang for my buck than a HIM.
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