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 2013-01-23 8:33 PM |
Champion  15211   Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL |  Subject: Women to be cleared for combat roleshttp://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/23/16664507-defense-chief-p... They have already been in unofficial combat. Might as well make it official. |
| 2013-01-23 8:54 PM in reply to: #4592006 |
Pro 15655  | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Now there's something for a society to be proud of. |
| 2013-01-23 9:00 PM in reply to: #4592032 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles |
| 2013-01-23 9:07 PM in reply to: #4592006 |
Member 522 Saint Paul, MN | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html |
| 2013-01-23 9:42 PM in reply to: #4592051 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles jlruhnke - 2013-01-23 9:07 PM Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html Yes, because war is the last bastion of respect. |
| 2013-01-23 9:47 PM in reply to: #4592076 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles I think it's great they're finally making it official. Edited by mr2tony 2013-01-23 9:48 PM |
| 2013-01-23 9:51 PM in reply to: #4592081 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-23 9:47 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:42 PM OK I don't get what your problem is this time. Or are you just intentionally trying to be a jerk?jlruhnke - 2013-01-23 9:07 PM Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html Yes, because war is the last bastion of respect. Tony, have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been around guys who are so keyed up on fighting and testosterone that they can hardly control themselves? I'm not trying to be a jerk....this is just the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas. Yeah, put women on the front lines in the worst of combat and then expect what? Hell, read the article.....now triple it in a combat zone, and then talk about how disrespectful the soldiers are. Here's my deal....just so you aren't confused: IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO WOMEN TO PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE OF COMBAT. Does that clear it up for you? |
| 2013-01-23 10:00 PM in reply to: #4592085 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:51 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-23 9:47 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:42 PM OK I don't get what your problem is this time. Or are you just intentionally trying to be a jerk?jlruhnke - 2013-01-23 9:07 PM Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html Yes, because war is the last bastion of respect. Tony, have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been around guys who are so keyed up on fighting and testosterone that they can hardly control themselves? I'm not trying to be a jerk....this is just the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas. Yeah, put women on the front lines in the worst of combat and then expect what? Hell, read the article.....now triple it in a combat zone, and then talk about how disrespectful the soldiers are. Here's my deal....just so you aren't confused: IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO WOMEN TO PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE OF COMBAT. Does that clear it up for you? Explain WHY a woman shouldn't be in combat rather than making snide comments in the sarc font. WHY is this the stupidest idea? Because without that you just sound like a chauvinistic pig. And does it really matter if I've ever been in the military? |
| 2013-01-23 10:00 PM in reply to: #4592085 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Left Brain - 2013-01-24 2:51 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-23 9:47 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:42 PM OK I don't get what your problem is this time. Or are you just intentionally trying to be a jerk?jlruhnke - 2013-01-23 9:07 PM Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html Yes, because war is the last bastion of respect. Tony, have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been around guys who are so keyed up on fighting and testosterone that they can hardly control themselves? I'm not trying to be a jerk....this is just the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas. Yeah, put women on the front lines in the worst of combat and then expect what? Hell, read the article.....now triple it in a combat zone, and then talk about how disrespectful the soldiers are. Here's my deal....just so you aren't confused: IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO WOMEN TO PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE OF COMBAT. Does that clear it up for you? I'd never thought about it from that perspective. How does it work in Israel - I know women are conscripted there but do they fight on the front line? |
| 2013-01-23 10:08 PM in reply to: #4592006 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. |
| 2013-01-23 10:13 PM in reply to: #4592102 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. it's a fact of life. It happens every day without the added stress of combat. Edited by jobaxas 2013-01-23 10:14 PM |
| 2013-01-23 10:13 PM in reply to: #4592093 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:00 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:51 PM Explain WHY a woman shouldn't be in combat rather than making snide comments in the sarc font. WHY is this the stupidest idea? Because without that you just sound like a chauvinistic pig. And does it really matter if I've ever been in the military? mr2tony - 2013-01-23 9:47 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:42 PM OK I don't get what your problem is this time. Or are you just intentionally trying to be a jerk?jlruhnke - 2013-01-23 9:07 PM Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html Yes, because war is the last bastion of respect. Tony, have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been around guys who are so keyed up on fighting and testosterone that they can hardly control themselves? I'm not trying to be a jerk....this is just the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas. Yeah, put women on the front lines in the worst of combat and then expect what? Hell, read the article.....now triple it in a combat zone, and then talk about how disrespectful the soldiers are. Here's my deal....just so you aren't confused: IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO WOMEN TO PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE OF COMBAT. Does that clear it up for you? It's a stupid idea because you can't make all men respect women in that situation....and then you end up with the men who do respect women fighting with the men who don't....it's just more chaos....and war is chaotic enough. You really need that explained to you? You think this is about being chauvinistic? That's ridiculous. My wife and 4 girls can handle any situation YOU could throw at them, I promise that......but they aren't going to be thrown into the front lines of combat until we are all fighting for our last breath. Are you and those like you supposed to be held up as some fighters for women's rights because you would have them in combat? Not from me you won't.
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| 2013-01-23 10:15 PM in reply to: #4592102 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Tony......I wish the world was like you think it is. Edited by Left Brain 2013-01-23 10:15 PM |
Where do you think the numbers in that article come from, Mars??| 2013-01-23 10:15 PM in reply to: #4592107 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Left Brain - 2013-01-24 3:13 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:00 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:51 PM Explain WHY a woman shouldn't be in combat rather than making snide comments in the sarc font. WHY is this the stupidest idea? Because without that you just sound like a chauvinistic pig. And does it really matter if I've ever been in the military? mr2tony - 2013-01-23 9:47 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 9:42 PM OK I don't get what your problem is this time. Or are you just intentionally trying to be a jerk?jlruhnke - 2013-01-23 9:07 PM Hopefully these women on the front lines are treated with the respect they deserve. http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-calls-number-sex-assaults-appalling-150039203--politics.html Yes, because war is the last bastion of respect. Tony, have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been around guys who are so keyed up on fighting and testosterone that they can hardly control themselves? I'm not trying to be a jerk....this is just the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas. Yeah, put women on the front lines in the worst of combat and then expect what? Hell, read the article.....now triple it in a combat zone, and then talk about how disrespectful the soldiers are. Here's my deal....just so you aren't confused: IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO WOMEN TO PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE OF COMBAT. Does that clear it up for you? It's a stupid idea because you can't make all men respect women in that situation....and then you end up with the men who do respect women fighting with the men who don't....it's just more chaos....and war is chaotic enough. You really need that explained to you? You think this is about being chauvinistic? That's ridiculous. My wife and 4 girls can handle any situation YOU could throw at them, I promise that......but they aren't going to be thrown into the front lines of combat until we are all fighting for our last breath. Are you and those like you supposed to be held up as some fighters for women's rights because you would have them in combat? Not from me you won't.
As a woman we don't need people to stand up for our rights, we can do that ourselves in the main. But I am not going into combat and neither is my daughter. Just sayin. |
| 2013-01-23 10:16 PM in reply to: #4592106 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. It's a fact. And that's OK with you? So by your rationale women shouldn't be allowed into sporting events. Or pubs where there's a sport event being shown? |
| 2013-01-23 10:19 PM in reply to: #4592106 |
Champion 10550 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. it's a fact of life. It happens every day without the added stress of combat. I'm glad I don't live where you do - to live with that kind of fear would be exhausting to me. |
| 2013-01-23 10:21 PM in reply to: #4592114 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:16 PM jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM And that's OK with you? So by your rationale women shouldn't be allowed into sporting events. Or pubs where there's a sport event being shown? mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. It's a fact. Oh hold on where did I type that? Of course it's not okay - Geez. BUT it's a fact - until you can walk in our shoes you cannot judge. Of course we go to sporting events of course we go to pubs but let me tell you as a woman you have to have your wits about you at all times. You have to be aware, you have to be safe - you travel with friends where you can. I live in Melbourne it's a safe city - rape and murder still happen. Just because I say it happens does not mean I am okay with it. You're nuts! |
| 2013-01-23 10:23 PM in reply to: #4592116 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles blueyedbikergirl - 2013-01-24 3:19 PM jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. it's a fact of life. It happens every day without the added stress of combat. I'm glad I don't live where you do - to live with that kind of fear would be exhausting to me. It's not fear it's an acknowledgement of my own safety - I do not live in fear but neither will I put myself at risk by walking at night through a city on my own. I just wouldn't do it. I live in one of the safest cities in the world. But I will guide my daughter to always travel with a friend and never be afraid to call me to go get her. Surely it isn't wrong to be aware of your environment? |
| 2013-01-23 10:23 PM in reply to: #4592110 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Left Brain - 2013-01-23 10:15 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Tony......I wish the world was like you think it is. OK so ... how about instead of keeping women from combat we, oh I don't know, expect men to control themselves around women? I'm glad I don't live in your world where women who are around a group of pumped up men should expect to be sexually assaulted. |
| 2013-01-23 10:24 PM in reply to: #4592123 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:23 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 10:15 PM OK so ... how about instead of keeping women from combat we, oh I don't know, expect men to control themselves around women? I'm glad I don't live in your world where women who are around a group of pumped up men should expect to be sexually assaulted. mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Tony......I wish the world was like you think it is. Of course we expect men to control themselves - BUT women get raped every day so clearly that expectation isn't always lived up to. |
| 2013-01-23 10:26 PM in reply to: #4592116 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles blueyedbikergirl - 2013-01-23 10:19 PM jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. it's a fact of life. It happens every day without the added stress of combat. I'm glad I don't live where you do - to live with that kind of fear would be exhausting to me. So, you are saying that you would walk in any neighborhood in Chicago, at any hour of the day, without that fear? Because if that's the case, I'll take that bet. I get to pick the neighborhood. Remember, it's just a group of men after a few drinks.....I get to pick the neighborhood. |
| 2013-01-23 10:27 PM in reply to: #4592127 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles Left Brain - 2013-01-24 3:26 PM blueyedbikergirl - 2013-01-23 10:19 PM jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. it's a fact of life. It happens every day without the added stress of combat. I'm glad I don't live where you do - to live with that kind of fear would be exhausting to me. So, you are saying that you would walk in any neighborhood in Chicago, at any hour of the day, without that fear? Because if that's the case, I'll take that bet. I get to pick the neighborhood. Remember, it's just a group of men after a few drinks.....I get to pick the neighborhood. No it's okay - if we expect men to control themselves we're good. |
| 2013-01-23 10:27 PM in reply to: #4592006 |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles stupid. should have happened long ago. either men/women get equal treatment or we can just admit they aren't equal at all, which just opens up more doorways into medieval oppression. |
| 2013-01-23 10:28 PM in reply to: #4592123 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:23 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-23 10:15 PM OK so ... how about instead of keeping women from combat we, oh I don't know, expect men to control themselves around women? I'm glad I don't live in your world where women who are around a group of pumped up men should expect to be sexually assaulted. mr2tony - 2013-01-23 10:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Tony......I wish the world was like you think it is.
Dude, I don't live in that world either.....but I'd be glad to take you to it and show it to you. You act like it doesn't exist. Incredible. Truly. |
| 2013-01-23 10:28 PM in reply to: #4592118 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Women to be cleared for combat roles jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:21 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:16 PM jobaxas - 2013-01-23 10:13 PM And that's OK with you? So by your rationale women shouldn't be allowed into sporting events. Or pubs where there's a sport event being shown? mr2tony - 2013-01-24 3:08 PM Oh and with regard to the article to which you've linked, are you implying that if a woman is in a combat zone then she's going to get raped? In other words, you're saying anytime there's a pumped up group of men, that those men aren't going to be expected to control themselves if a woman is present? So, basically, you're saying that if a woman goes in with that group or is put in with that group, then she's going to be raped? Explain that because it makes no sense to me. Dude. I don't know where you're from (or when, I should say) but where I'm from that's NOT OK. Pack mentality exists - it just does. Even walking down a street as a woman - I see a group of lads or men after a football match or after a few drinks - I worry. It's a fact. Oh hold on where did I type that? Of course it's not okay - Geez. BUT it's a fact - until you can walk in our shoes you cannot judge. Of course we go to sporting events of course we go to pubs but let me tell you as a woman you have to have your wits about you at all times. You have to be aware, you have to be safe - you travel with friends where you can. I live in Melbourne it's a safe city - rape and murder still happen. Just because I say it happens does not mean I am okay with it. You're nuts! So it's a fact, so you just accept it? That's even more sad and ridiculous that Left Brain. At least he's a man and can't be expected to control himself when he's pumped up and around women, apparently, but YOU are a woman and I would think you'd expect men to not sexually harass you in any situation. Do you NOT expect men to behave themselves around you? To take it back full circle, these men are military men. They're taught to be respectful toward others. They SHOULD know how to be respectful to women. To say women shouldn't be allowed to serve because they run the risk of rape is not the fault of the woman, it's the fault of the would-be rapist. To exclude women from something like this because men can't be expected to control their sex drive is insulting to not only women, but it SHOULD be considered disrespectful to men. |
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