For the gun folks......

Originally posted by switch

OK, yeah, but why?

Originally posted by DanielG One of my favorite quotes The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm way too far away to get the job done." George Carlin

Originally posted by switch

OK, so to extrapolate...someone wants to fill someone or something with 800 rounds (ahem,15,000) instead of 80?

Boys. 

Boys, boys, boys.

Originally posted by DanielGYou ever been in a war?Sometimes things that seem a bit ummmmm, off in most social situations are exactly the toys needed when you absolutely, positively must destroy things overnight.

Originally posted by switch

Touche. Isn't that what grenade launchers are for? Educate me.

Originally posted by DanielG



One of my favorite quotes

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm way too far away to get the job done."
George Carlin

Originally posted by switch

Touche. Isn't that what grenade launchers are for? Educate me.

Originally posted by DanielG I'm betting in your toolbox you have a hammer, a phillips head screwdriver and a flat blade screwdriver, amongst many other things. You can use a butter knife for screws, right? So why do you need the screwdriver? Same idea. Horses for courses.

Originally posted by DanielG Okay, another answer: That outstanding machine gun LB posted: Takes standard ammo, 7.62X51 Can be mounted in a bazillion ways on aircraft, ground troop carried, tanks, etc The round it carries is pretty much a standard hunting round, .308 Winchester. Yeah, there's minor differences but not much and it's close enough to give people who have never seen the mil spec version an idea of the size of round. That means you can put 100 rounds of that in roughly the same space as two rounds of grenade launcher ammo. With lead ammo, if it gets hit, it's not a problem, the rounds not hit can still be used. With grenades, you always take the chance of fire or explosive round going off when it's not wanted. With lead ammo, you can shoot up a fireworks (ammo, fertilizer) factory or storage facility. Yeah, you see where that one's going. You can hand out a million rounds of lead ammo to a dozen people and they're weighed down but they can still move. You can only give a few dozen grenades to those same people. With a lead thrower, you can decide if one round will do or if you need all million. That's just a random listing of junk that comes to mind immediately.

Originally posted by DanielG Piffle! Piffle I say. 15,000 rounds a second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjGbOyd2ek

Originally posted by crusevegas

 

Well I guess we know why the Gubmnt is buying up all the 9mm ammo now.

What would that thing cost to shoot for 60 seconds?

Originally posted by crusevegas

 

Well I guess we know why the Gubmnt is buying up all the 9mm ammo now.

What would that thing cost to shoot for 60 seconds?

Originally posted by switch

Very thorough answer, thanks.

But we're still talking about the capacity of one gun to shoot a set number of rounds, right?

Originally posted by DanielG and it can do so: All at once One shot at a time In bursts The fewer shots it has, the fewer options there are for doing its job multiple times. Plus the supply line to feed those guns need different protection levels for lead ammo than for explosive. Plus it's much more expensive to make explosive ammo Whatever you talk about "one" gun shooting, multiply that by a thousand or so and then you get an idea of expense, resupply and various dangerous aspects of what you're using.

Originally posted by DanielG Completely different type of ammo. The barrel is the magazine with these. Caseless.

Originally posted by crusevegas

 

I know that, and you know that, but look at all the ridiculous uninformed decisions that they've made regarding firearms,,,,,,,,, do you really think they know?

Originally posted by switch

OK, really not trying to be a smart azz* here.  Bear with me.

What is the effective impact area of a single gun like this?  I'm assuming to shoot it accurately it has to be mounted, right? 

*edited because after months I still can't seem to remember to use alternate spelling for my swearing, and no I can't stop

 

Originally posted by DanielGI'm trying to stay high level, 50,000' view. I have no idea how detailed you actually want to get so if I don't go far enough, say so. If you get way more than you expected, say that too.Most of these, including your grenade launchers, are not made to be single gun, single shooter. They're made to be part of a whole battle plan that includes small arms (all of these we're showing are small arms), artillery, air assets (helos, close air support, bombers, etc), and a bunch of other things.Within the small arms there is point target and area target. Some weapons systems are effective with both.Area target can be thought about as ... sayyyy 100 yards square. Can be bigger, probably isn't smaller.Point targets are a building, tank, person, bunker.Sniper rifles are point target weapons only. Well they can be used to suppress but they're not really the right tool.MLRS (said millers because it's two six packs on a vehicle) are area target weapon systems:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UTGqkraX3QThe HK that LB posted is an area weapon. It's made to put people's head's down and keep them down. The metal storm I posted are area weapons mostly but can be used as a point weapon. Very little short of tank type armor could stand up to a few thousand rounds hitting in the same place within seconds.I'm thinking "mounted" means something different to you than me, maybe not, though. Mounted, to me, means hard points mounted onto a vehicle, aircraft, tank.Believe it or not, a mounted weapon is just about exclusively an area weapon. Exceptions are tank main guns and any type of guide missile.Mounted actually decreases precision aiming. Put it on a bipod or tripod and make it shoulder fired and that's how you get it accurate.I have somewhat answered the question as it came over to me. If you meant something different, reask and I'll be more than happy to try again.

Originally posted by switch

I have some military experience. I used "impact area" for a reason, and "mounted" means the same thing to both of us. I have shot M16s, M50s, M203s and had some training calling artillery, just as a point of reference. This was 20 years ago, and the only stuff I've shot recently is all hunting related. I like learning about weapons, especially from people who know their chit, which you obviously do. I have never been in combat, so my understanding of real life applicability is limited, hence the questions.

Originally posted by DanielG Thank you, that gives me a point of reference. But did I answer your questions? Would you happen to have more? I've been an instructor of one sort or another my whole life, I actually enjoy this.