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2013-09-18 12:27 PM

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The other night @ 2AM there were ~15 kids on the roof of my neighbor's house throwing fireworks. The house is totally becoming the bad kid party house.

We don't want to them off and risk property damage- they already threw dog crap at our house.

The dad told us he was home but took sleeping pills so it didn't wake him up.

They also admitted calling the cops on their 15yo who keeps taking their car and driving to other towns.

Is there anything as neighbors we can do to stop the madness without making ourselves a target?

I'm also worried about their kids going down the wrong path.

I would love ideas.


2013-09-18 12:54 PM
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I can't think of much other than calling the police.  If the police just show up, the kids won't know YOU called.

2am on the roof throwing fireworks?  I'm calling the cops.

2013-09-18 12:54 PM
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Install security cameras on your home and property.  That should give you some evidence if they begin doing things to your home.  Find out what the local ordinances are regarding noise at night, and see what the authorities say about dealing with it.  They might only respond if you tell them you would be willing to sign a complaint.  That could end up getting you targeted.  You might be able to enlist other neighbors to join you so that you are not the only one.  Consider moving.  It's not fun when you have lousy neighbors.  Some people are just inconsiderate jerks.
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I wonder if this is an option:

http://movingsoundtech.com/

I heard about it in the news.  I'm not sure about the legality or if it the source could be identified back to you.  Would be really cool to see the results.

2013-09-18 1:13 PM
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2013-09-18 1:18 PM
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Call the neighbor first and have them deal with it.  Next call the cops.  YUP, I am that guy.  I have a rental property next to me now after it was sold it was converted to apartments.  I called the neighbor about the trash.  Nothing was done.  Called the police next and they dealt with it.  The trash has been removed as has the old pickup box that they were storing trash in.  I offered to pull the trailer off of the rental property and put it in the front yard of the owner of the property. 

I haven't had any bad vandalism yet, but I am sure it will happen at some point.

 

 



2013-09-18 1:52 PM
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Is it a rental house or do they own it?

2013-09-18 1:56 PM
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Originally posted by Kido

I wonder if this is an option:

http://movingsoundtech.com/

I heard about it in the news.  I'm not sure about the legality or if it the source could be identified back to you.  Would be really cool to see the results.

This thing does work.  I have a sound clip of it and everytime I play it and crank the volume up on my computer it freaks out the youngins.

2013-09-18 2:20 PM
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I feel your pain.  The first house we owned we had neighbors with a couple teenaged boys who were out of control.  Right about the time we moved in the parents divorced and the Dad kept the house...

Problems started right away because the Dad worked third shift...Things would be mellow until 2:00-3:00am every day of the week when they'd crank the stereo and literally wake my wife and I from a dead sleep...

After the second instance I called the cops and told them specifically I didn't want the cops to say it was me who called.  I have no idea what the cops said but after they left I heard "f - - k you neighbor" clearly audible through the window...

We tried talking to the Dad, I tried talking to the boys in a neutral environment (not the middle of the night when they would be wound up) but got nowhere. 

Eventually we outgrew the house and moving was a logical next step.  I remember the first year being in our new place I would still go to bed with the pit in my stomach that I had from the old place just bracing for the first time the tunes cranked up... For the longest time "enter sandman" by Metallica was their song...over and over... To this day if my wife and I are in some random place and that song comes on and I say: "remember this song" she literally shudders and nods yes....

I was concerned with retaliation and vandalism too however we were fortunate and never had any.  I enlisted other neighbors' involvement however they were afraid of the boys for vandalism and retaliation reasons...

The mosquito thing is fantastic if you can make that work....If the 2:00am fireworks thing was random and not an everyday thing maybe it will just blow over..

Good luck, I know what you're describing..



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2013-09-18 3:23 PM
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There is an invention named after a soviet foreign minister that may be of use...
2013-09-18 6:50 PM
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With 15 kids it's a little tough, but I would have gone over there and tried to talk with them. I would probably say something about it looking and sounding like fun (align a bit), but then say something about it being 2am and sleep and being considerate of others in the neighborhood. This may or may not be enough to make them take it down a notch. Then I'd let it go for the night. The next day (or the day after), I'd go over and talk to the teenagers again. What I would say would depend on how they handled themselves for the remainder of the original evening. If they knocked it off, I thank them and shoot the chit about stuff for a bit and then tell them with a wink no more wild 2am shenanigans, and then we're cool. If, on the other hand, they didn't knock it off after our talk on the firework evening, I would try to engage them in a serious, but still relatively friendly, conversation about respect and appropriate behavior. In my experience, if you engage teens and meet them with some respect and understanding--even when (possibly especially when) they're not acting particularly deserving of it--you'll have a much, much better chance of reaching them and meeting your goals too.


2013-09-18 7:01 PM
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Originally posted by TriMike

I feel your pain.  The first house we owned we had neighbors with a couple teenaged boys who were out of control.  Right about the time we moved in the parents divorced and the Dad kept the house...

Problems started right away because the Dad worked third shift...Things would be mellow until 2:00-3:00am every day of the week when they'd crank the stereo and literally wake my wife and I from a dead sleep...

After the second instance I called the cops and told them specifically I didn't want the cops to say it was me who called.  I have no idea what the cops said but after they left I heard "f - - k you neighbor" clearly audible through the window...

We tried talking to the Dad, I tried talking to the boys in a neutral environment (not the middle of the night when they would be wound up) but got nowhere. 

Eventually we outgrew the house and moving was a logical next step.  I remember the first year being in our new place I would still go to bed with the pit in my stomach that I had from the old place just bracing for the first time the tunes cranked up... For the longest time "enter sandman" by Metallica was their song...over and over... To this day if my wife and I are in some random place and that song comes on and I say: "remember this song" she literally shudders and nods yes....

I was concerned with retaliation and vandalism too however we were fortunate and never had any.  I enlisted other neighbors' involvement however they were afraid of the boys for vandalism and retaliation reasons...

The mosquito thing is fantastic if you can make that work....If the 2:00am fireworks thing was random and not an everyday thing maybe it will just blow over..

Good luck, I know what you're describing..

Sad they ruined a great song for you.  bloody kids.

2013-09-18 7:29 PM
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With 15 kids it's a little tough, but I would have gone over there and tried to talk with them. I would probably say something about it looking and sounding like fun (align a bit), but then say something about it being 2am and sleep and being considerate of others in the neighborhood. This may or may not be enough to make them take it down a notch. Then I'd let it go for the night. The next day (or the day after), I'd go over and talk to the teenagers again. What I would say would depend on how they handled themselves for the remainder of the original evening. If they knocked it off, I thank them and shoot the chit about stuff for a bit and then tell them with a wink no more wild 2am shenanigans, and then we're cool. If, on the other hand, they didn't knock it off after our talk on the firework evening, I would try to engage them in a serious, but still relatively friendly, conversation about respect and appropriate behavior. In my experience, if you engage teens and meet them with some respect and understanding--even when (possibly especially when) they're not acting particularly deserving of it--you'll have a much, much better chance of reaching them and meeting your goals too.


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2013-09-18 7:43 PM
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Originally posted by switchWith 15 kids it's a little tough, but I would have gone over there and tried to talk with them. I would probably say something about it looking and sounding like fun (align a bit), but then say something about it being 2am and sleep and being considerate of others in the neighborhood. This may or may not be enough to make them take it down a notch. Then I'd let it go for the night. The next day (or the day after), I'd go over and talk to the teenagers again. What I would say would depend on how they handled themselves for the remainder of the original evening. If they knocked it off, I thank them and shoot the chit about stuff for a bit and then tell them with a wink no more wild 2am shenanigans, and then we're cool. If, on the other hand, they didn't knock it off after our talk on the firework evening, I would try to engage them in a serious, but still relatively friendly, conversation about respect and appropriate behavior. In my experience, if you engage teens and meet them with some respect and understanding--even when (possibly especially when) they're not acting particularly deserving of it--you'll have a much, much better chance of reaching them and meeting your goals too.
"All we are saying..is give peacea chance". Yep: I was and still am a smart azz...
Yeah, man. Now stop bogarting and pass that.
2013-09-18 7:50 PM
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Is it a rental house or do they own it?




They are the owners so we can't go to the landlord. We talked to the parents but they just told us how much trouble the kids were. The dad even complained about how his 13 yo kept taking and drinking all of his liquor. The concern being there was none left for him, not that his 13yo was drinking it. We've lived next to them for 9 years, and summers have always been annoying, but now it's getting into more dangerous behavior than just screaming on the trampoline til midnight.
2013-09-18 9:31 PM
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call the cops.
don't "try and work it out" with the parent...obviously they have no clue how to raise their kid. They won't "see the light" based on a convo with a neighbor.
keep it anonymous and stress to the cops that it must be anonymous.
I liked the idea of video surveillance to nab the little jerks if they mess with your property.

btw, I would have called the cops the 1st time those kids were "screaming on the trampoline till midnight." If you don't nip this nonsense in the bud, it will bite you in the long run.

(and yes, the spirit of the departed Andy Rooney is strong within me.)

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2013-09-19 8:45 AM
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Originally posted by bradleyd3 Is it a rental house or do they own it?
They are the owners so we can't go to the landlord. We talked to the parents but they just told us how much trouble the kids were. The dad even complained about how his 13 yo kept taking and drinking all of his liquor. The concern being there was none left for him, not that his 13yo was drinking it. We've lived next to them for 9 years, and summers have always been annoying, but now it's getting into more dangerous behavior than just screaming on the trampoline til midnight.

Based on their ages the trouble makers will be around for a long long time.... From what you described of them, it would be quite a turnaround for them to finish high school and move towards being a productive member of society...

So conservatively, using the 13 y/o as the example, it's reasonable to think they could be around until their early 20's before deciding to move in with the other pizza delivery guys they hang out with....Which means another 10 + years is possible for this...

Deciding to move isn't quitting or being weak, it's determining how badly you want to live in the house you're in with trash next door...

Based on what you've described I don't believe talking to them will help and calling the cops all the time will most likely result in retaliation of some sort...

Sorry you have to go through this, it's a very difficult experience...

ETA:  No disrespect to delivery guys, in my situation years ago, the neighbor trash both delivered pizzas until they lost their licenses...



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2013-09-19 8:52 AM
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Originally posted by switch With 15 kids it's a little tough, but I would have gone over there and tried to talk with them. I would probably say something about it looking and sounding like fun (align a bit), but then say something about it being 2am and sleep and being considerate of others in the neighborhood. This may or may not be enough to make them take it down a notch. Then I'd let it go for the night. The next day (or the day after), I'd go over and talk to the teenagers again. What I would say would depend on how they handled themselves for the remainder of the original evening. If they knocked it off, I thank them and shoot the chit about stuff for a bit and then tell them with a wink no more wild 2am shenanigans, and then we're cool. If, on the other hand, they didn't knock it off after our talk on the firework evening, I would try to engage them in a serious, but still relatively friendly, conversation about respect and appropriate behavior. In my experience, if you engage teens and meet them with some respect and understanding--even when (possibly especially when) they're not acting particularly deserving of it--you'll have a much, much better chance of reaching them and meeting your goals too.

Based on new information posted today that the kids are drinking, would you offer this same advice?

I'm a scardy cat around crazy teenagers when they're sober; I wouldn't approach 13-year-old drunks (whose parents let them) with a 10-foot stick. Surprised

2013-09-19 9:11 AM
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Originally posted by switch With 15 kids it's a little tough, but I would have gone over there and tried to talk with them. I would probably say something about it looking and sounding like fun (align a bit), but then say something about it being 2am and sleep and being considerate of others in the neighborhood. This may or may not be enough to make them take it down a notch. Then I'd let it go for the night. The next day (or the day after), I'd go over and talk to the teenagers again. What I would say would depend on how they handled themselves for the remainder of the original evening. If they knocked it off, I thank them and shoot the chit about stuff for a bit and then tell them with a wink no more wild 2am shenanigans, and then we're cool. If, on the other hand, they didn't knock it off after our talk on the firework evening, I would try to engage them in a serious, but still relatively friendly, conversation about respect and appropriate behavior. In my experience, if you engage teens and meet them with some respect and understanding--even when (possibly especially when) they're not acting particularly deserving of it--you'll have a much, much better chance of reaching them and meeting your goals too.

Based on new information posted today that the kids are drinking, would you offer this same advice?

I'm a scardy cat around crazy teenagers when they're sober; I wouldn't approach 13-year-old drunks (whose parents let them) with a 10-foot stick. Surprised

You know it's really hard for me to gauge what I'd do without being in the situation.  That being said,  I'm not scared of teens--drunk or sober.  If I was going to go talk to a drunk group of 15 young men, I would let my husband know what I was doing, but it wouldn't deter me. 

I work with teenagers all of the time.  I've worked with a lot of "at-risk" kids.  We do leadership camps with local teens and I spend a lot of time listening to them. We bring in NVC trainers, and work a lot with kids talking about unconditional positive regard.  It's very hard to remember this when kids are acting like fachheads, but they're struggling, they're hurting.  It's when they're being the most ridiculous that they need the most kindness--this doesn't mean you're a doormat.

These kids often really respond to someone talking to them and engaging them in a real conversation--not a dogmatic one.  No, it doesn't always work, and while they are in a pack and worked up letting off fireworks, it may not work, but that's why you come back to it the next day or the day after.  What do you have to lose? You can always throw up your hands if the conversation goes south, and say you tried and you'll call the cops next time, but I'd want to make sure I'd tried this first because I think it works better than cops. 

Again, I think the key to this strategy is the follow-up conversation after the fireworks night.  In front of their friends they probably won't back down because they feel they'll lose to much face, though I've certainly had experiences where a couple of kids in the group back right down and are very apologetic and swing the group.  Again, I think a lot of it has to do with how you come at them.  Try to align with them first and then try to appeal to reason "Hey guys, what's up?  This looks pretty fun. I would have probably been doing something like this at your age too-a part of me still wants to, but the reality is I have a long day tomorrow, and so does my husband.  It's 2 am.  I need you to stop."  Don't do it angry.  Don't do it in a threatening way.  And then wait for an answer.  Really try to stay calm and present a reasonable argument.  It makes the follow up go better.


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Ok, so instead of calling the cops or going through the expense of moving...

Just buy Switch a plane ticket and she will get it all straightened out for you!

BT to the rescue again!

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Ok, so instead of calling the cops or going through the expense of moving...

Just buy Switch a plane ticket and she will get it all straightened out for you!

BT to the rescue again! :)

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Part of it working is being the person who lives next door, trying to establish a rapport that then makes the kid feel some responsibility and accountability.  If you're the jerk neighbor who lives next door and calls the cops at the drop of a hat and you've never even tried to talk to me before--yeah, well fach you d-bag (I KNOW the OP isn't one).  If you're the neighbor who's asked me nicely, tried to reason with me, appealed to the human inside me about being tired and needing sleep to work, and has asked me some questions and tried to talk to me, maybe, just maybe I take my party elsewhere.

It doesn't always work.  Sometimes it's meh.  Once in awhile, it's a homerun. 



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Do you have a Homeowners Association in your development? if so, it might be worth letting them know about it and having the neighbors notify them too. Depending on where you live and the laws in your state, if it is just noise and people being unruly, there might not be a "whole" bunch of things the police can do except come there and tell them to knock it off. If they are drinking, fighting, doing drugs, etc then an investigation by the on scene officer would ensue and necessary action would be taken but often times with noise complaints, the Police come out and tell people to turn the music off or be quiet. My suggestion would be to document date and times of every "infraction" of loud noise or disturbance after hours (check on noise violations in your area and what constitues them). By calling the police every time the neighbors kids act up you are creating a house profile of sorts within the police departments computer program. After enough documentation of calls for service at the location for the same type of offenses, criminal and civil action can be taken against the parents/property owners. Usually when the parents find out it will hit the wallet first, they will put an end to it. My state has a DISORDERLY HOUSE law where people can be charged if neighbors and the police can prove enough reasonable disturbances to the peace in a period of time. Not sure if all states have this but might be worth looking into.

Also, could be an every now and again thing. Just keep an eye on them and see how it goes.
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If there is another fireworks incident, call 911 and say "I heard gun shots and someone screaming"

45 cops, Fire/Rescue, and SWAT will show up.



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Ok, so instead of calling the cops or going through the expense of moving...

Just buy Switch a plane ticket and she will get it all straightened out for you!

BT to the rescue again!

;P

Part of it working is being the person who lives next door, trying to establish a rapport that then makes the kid feel some responsibility and accountability.  If you're the jerk neighbor who lives next door and calls the cops at the drop of a hat and you've never even tried to talk to me before--yeah, well fach you d-bag (I KNOW the OP isn't one).  If you're the neighbor who's asked me nicely, tried to reason with me, appealed to the human inside me about being tired and needing sleep to work, and has asked me some questions and tried to talk to me, maybe, just maybe I take my party elsewhere.

It doesn't always work.  Sometimes it's meh.  Once in awhile, it's a homerun. 





While I respect your well-intentioned approach Switch, in the long run it's a much riskier play than the anonymous phone call to the cops. The days of "establishing a good rapport" have long-sinced sailed in my opinion. If the well-intentioned approach doesn't work (which is likely) you expose yourself as the neighbor that will be calling the authorities.
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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by Aarondb4

 

Ok, so instead of calling the cops or going through the expense of moving...

Just buy Switch a plane ticket and she will get it all straightened out for you!

BT to the rescue again! :)

;P

Part of it working is being the person who lives next door, trying to establish a rapport that then makes the kid feel some responsibility and accountability.  If you're the jerk neighbor who lives next door and calls the cops at the drop of a hat and you've never even tried to talk to me before--yeah, well fach you d-bag (I KNOW the OP isn't one).  If you're the neighbor who's asked me nicely, tried to reason with me, appealed to the human inside me about being tired and needing sleep to work, and has asked me some questions and tried to talk to me, maybe, just maybe I take my party elsewhere.

It doesn't always work.  Sometimes it's meh.  Once in awhile, it's a homerun. 

While I respect your well-intentioned approach Switch, in the long run it's a much riskier play than the anonymous phone call to the cops. The days of "establishing a good rapport" have long-sinced sailed in my opinion. If the well-intentioned approach doesn't work (which is likely) you expose yourself as the neighbor that will be calling the authorities.

I just don't agree. 

Why does trying to talk to them automatically make you the neighbor who's calling the cops?  Are we the only two houses on the street? 

Riskier?  Why? Are they going to go from drinking and setting off fireworks late-night to assaulting me or vandalizing my house?  I think there's a bigger area between those two things than you think.

Everybody has to use an approach they feel comfortable with, and I totally understand why some people wouldn't feel comfortable approaching teens in a situation like this.  In a scenario like this, I would always try to have a conversation with people before I went to the cops.  Actually, I don't think I've ever called the cops for anything.  If I have, I'm blanking on it. 

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