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 2013-10-01 9:06 AM |
Veteran  869    Stevens Point, Wisconsin |  Subject: Switching jobsFrom other posts I have seen that many of you are in charge of hiring/employes etc... I have a question for you guys. I am still new to the work force (I'm currently employed in my first 'real job'). When would you like your employes to tell you that they are looking for new employment? I like my job, and most of the people I work with but the money is just not there, nor is the room for advancement, I feel stuck at where I am. I have a pretty good chance at obtaining a different job, would you tell your employer that you are looking? Or just wait until you give your 2 weeks. FWIW I work at a public institution right now and would be transitioning to private industry. Hiring can be a nightmare where I work now, it is a long drawn out process. |
| 2013-10-01 9:15 AM in reply to: Justin86 |
| Subject: RE: Switching jobs 2 weeks. If you tell someone sooner, you may very well find yourself available to start a whole lot earlier than you expected. Why bother spending money training or keeping someone on who has no intention of continuing with the job? |
| 2013-10-01 10:50 AM in reply to: Justin86 |
Champion 7036  Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Switching jobs I agree with Daniel. You don't want to say anything to your boss until you have another firm offer in hand, then give whatever notice is appropriate. While you may feel some loyalty to your current boss, this is one of the times that you need to just worry about yourself and your own career. The cruel fact is that in the long run, you are the only one who is truly interested in your career and well-being. Mark
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| 2013-10-01 11:04 AM in reply to: RedCorvette |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by RedCorvette I agree with Daniel. You don't want to say anything to your boss until you have another firm offer in hand, then give whatever notice is appropriate. While you may feel some loyalty to your current boss, this is one of the times that you need to just worry about yourself and your own career. The cruel fact is that in the long run, you are the only one who is truly interested in your career and well-being. Mark +3, it's like showing your hand in poker before anyone bets. You give them all the control. They may be cool about it, but more than likely you'll end up getting the boot prior to finding a new job. |
| 2013-10-01 11:15 AM in reply to: Justin86 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by Justin86 From other posts I have seen that many of you are in charge of hiring/employes etc... I have a question for you guys. I am still new to the work force (I'm currently employed in my first 'real job'). When would you like your employes to tell you that they are looking for new employment? I like my job, and most of the people I work with but the money is just not there, nor is the room for advancement, I feel stuck at where I am. I have a pretty good chance at obtaining a different job, would you tell your employer that you are looking? Or just wait until you give your 2 weeks. FWIW I work at a public institution right now and would be transitioning to private industry. Hiring can be a nightmare where I work now, it is a long drawn out process. No need to say anything until you have the offer in hand, and two weeks is perfectly acceptable. There's very little up-side to telling your boss that you're actively looking for a new job. Best case scenario is they decide they want to counter-offer and you accept. And then you're still at the same job you wanted to leave, only at a higher salary that may actually make it harder to find a new job if you decide in six months that money isn't enough to keep you in a dead-end job you hate. Plus, your boss will likely always see you as "the guy who quit and then made us pay through the nose to get him to stay". Worst case is they tell you to pack your stuff and get out. I've seen it happen more times than I care to count. The only exception would be if you have a very close relationship with your boss that's more like a mentorship than an boss/underling relationship. If he/she would understand your career goals and recognize the limitations of the position you're in, they might even be willing to help you by giving you a good reference and allowing you to have some flexibility to interview during work hours. That's a pretty unusal situation, though, and only you know whether you've got that kind of rapport with your boss. I've worked for lots of people and I could probably count on one hand the number of supervisors I've had who I would feel comfortable telling if I was looking for another job outside the company. |
| 2013-10-01 11:36 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn No need to say anything until you have the offer in hand, and two weeks is perfectly acceptable. There's very little up-side to telling your boss that you're actively looking for a new job. Best case scenario is they decide they want to counter-offer and you accept. And then you're still at the same job you wanted to leave, only at a higher salary that may actually make it harder to find a new job if you decide in six months that money isn't enough to keep you in a dead-end job you hate. Plus, your boss will likely always see you as "the guy who quit and then made us pay through the nose to get him to stay". Worst case is they tell you to pack your stuff and get out. I've seen it happen more times than I care to count. The only exception would be if you have a very close relationship with your boss that's more like a mentorship than an boss/underling relationship. If he/she would understand your career goals and recognize the limitations of the position you're in, they might even be willing to help you by giving you a good reference and allowing you to have some flexibility to interview during work hours. That's a pretty unusal situation, though, and only you know whether you've got that kind of rapport with your boss. I've worked for lots of people and I could probably count on one hand the number of supervisors I've had who I would feel comfortable telling if I was looking for another job outside the company. Spot on. I have the mentor-type relationship with my current boss and he knew I was/am looking to re-locate someday - but I've made it clear that while I'm in this city I am staying with this employer. Earlier this year he sent me a job opening at one of our customers (who he used to work for) and offered to call the hiring manager and give me a recommendation. I was floored that he would do that for me and joked that he was "trying to get rid of me" - but in reality he truly cares about my career. That kind of boss relationship is very rare though, and I realize that. |
| 2013-10-01 11:48 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn No need to say anything until you have the offer in hand, and two weeks is perfectly acceptable. There's very little up-side to telling your boss that you're actively looking for a new job. Best case scenario is they decide they want to counter-offer and you accept. And then you're still at the same job you wanted to leave, only at a higher salary that may actually make it harder to find a new job if you decide in six months that money isn't enough to keep you in a dead-end job you hate. Plus, your boss will likely always see you as "the guy who quit and then made us pay through the nose to get him to stay". Worst case is they tell you to pack your stuff and get out. I've seen it happen more times than I care to count. The only exception would be if you have a very close relationship with your boss that's more like a mentorship than an boss/underling relationship. If he/she would understand your career goals and recognize the limitations of the position you're in, they might even be willing to help you by giving you a good reference and allowing you to have some flexibility to interview during work hours. That's a pretty unusal situation, though, and only you know whether you've got that kind of rapport with your boss. I've worked for lots of people and I could probably count on one hand the number of supervisors I've had who I would feel comfortable telling if I was looking for another job outside the company. The next time someone bad mouths HR, I'm going to show them this. Perfect response. The best time to look for a job is when you have one. When I'm recruiting for a position, I do my best to work around their current work schedule and even interviewed people at Starbucks at 7am so they didn't have to miss work. Is the reason you're looking more about the money or the advancement? How long have you been at your current employer? What's your ultimate career goal? Which place makes the most sense for your goal? On the surface, my only recommendation is what's previously stated, give a 2 week notice. nothing more and nothing less. |
| 2013-10-01 11:51 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Master 2504 Southwest Iowa | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Two weeks is the bare minimum I would give. In the position I am currently in, I will give 4 weeks notice. I think it depends upon your job and how critical it is to the company, and how you feel about yourself and the company you work for. Just my $.02 |
| 2013-10-01 2:49 PM in reply to: flip18436572 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by flip18436572 Two weeks is the bare minimum I would give. In the position I am currently in, I will give 4 weeks notice. I think it depends upon your job and how critical it is to the company, and how you feel about yourself and the company you work for. Just my $.02 Totally unrelated, but I worked at a large company that had a very long and drawn out process to terminate someone. Multiple levels of performance improvement notices with plenty of chances to "improve". You had to really work hard to get fired. Well anyways, when people would turn in their notice they would walk the individual to the door the day they put their notice in and pay them out until the last day of their notice. One guy got smart and gave 90 days notice. They tried to "fire him" after two weeks, but he had exemplary reviews so they couldn't. They still walked him out and paid him for the next three months (plus his vacation). |
| 2013-10-01 2:51 PM in reply to: flip18436572 |
Veteran 869 Stevens Point, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Thanks all, some good advice here. To clear it up I do have a really good relationship with my boss, I wouldn't call it a mentor/mentee relationship, but much more then a boss/employe relationship. I probably will just wait, until I do have the firm offer in my hands. Until I give my notice. I was planning on doing that from the get go but wanted to bounce some ideas off of more experienced folk.
Have my interview on Monday, Wish me luck!
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| 2013-10-01 2:52 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Master 2504 Southwest Iowa | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by flip18436572 Two weeks is the bare minimum I would give. In the position I am currently in, I will give 4 weeks notice. I think it depends upon your job and how critical it is to the company, and how you feel about yourself and the company you work for. Just my $.02 Totally unrelated, but I worked at a large company that had a very long and drawn out process to terminate someone. Multiple levels of performance improvement notices with plenty of chances to "improve". You had to really work hard to get fired. Well anyways, when people would turn in their notice they would walk the individual to the door the day they put their notice in and pay them out until the last day of their notice. One guy got smart and gave 90 days notice. They tried to "fire him" after two weeks, but he had exemplary reviews so they couldn't. They still walked him out and paid him for the next three months (plus his vacation). I have worked in that manufacturing atmosphere and there are reasons for some companies to do that and with certain people in the jobs they are doing and what may already be taking place that the company feels safer in doing so. That is not how I feel in the place I currently am and they may do the same thing and walk me out the day I turn in my notice. That is their option. |
| 2013-10-01 3:42 PM in reply to: flip18436572 |
Extreme Veteran 660 Texas | Subject: RE: Switching jobs I agree with what everyone already posted - do not say anything until you have an offer in hand and are ready to give your notice. Best of luck with the interview! |
| 2013-10-01 5:36 PM in reply to: Justin86 |
Champion 7558 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by Justin86 Thanks all, some good advice here. To clear it up I do have a really good relationship with my boss, I wouldn't call it a mentor/mentee relationship, but much more then a boss/employe relationship. I probably will just wait, until I do have the firm offer in my hands. Until I give my notice. I was planning on doing that from the get go but wanted to bounce some ideas off of more experienced folk.
Have my interview on Monday, Wish me luck!
Even with a very good rapport, your boss has responsibilities to the company that you do not. While it may not seem significant, there is a HUGE difference between you telling your boss you're looking for another job and him/her coming to you to say they know of a position you might look into. Give whatever notice is appropriate once you have agreed to a new position. It could be 2 weeks, it could be 6-8 weeks, but once you accept a position, make the move and don't get into various "negotiations" about staying with your current employer. You cannot win in the long run doing that. While 2 weeks isn't enough time for them to get your replacement hired and trained, it is enough time to document what you've done and what needs to be done for your successor to take over eventually. It is 2 weeks longer than what your boss gets if you get hit by a bus or something like that. |
| 2013-10-01 6:40 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 1293 Pearland,Tx | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by Justin86 Thanks all, some good advice here. To clear it up I do have a really good relationship with my boss, I wouldn't call it a mentor/mentee relationship, but much more then a boss/employe relationship. I probably will just wait, until I do have the firm offer in my hands. Until I give my notice. I was planning on doing that from the get go but wanted to bounce some ideas off of more experienced folk.
Have my interview on Monday, Wish me luck!
Hi There so you are looking into moving up from Public to private. Changing from Job to another job is a big decision and a good number of employees have failed in their decisions. I just want to share something i learned after working all my Adult life from White Collared jobs. Right now the economy is doing a little better than before. The reality of your work place comes out when the economy goes down and your workplace is looking everywhere to cut corners. I hope you believe me now a days the economy is slowly i would say getting better , but due to the political aspects of our country its becoming volatile. Before you move from one job to another please consider the following very carefully. 1.)Check the benefits package of the company you are applying to. you may get a good base salary , but benefits could be depressing. check the medical insurance please! please do! you may be very healthy , but for any unforseen future medical incident medical benefits will play a big role. I know of an employee one time had surgery and only realized the medical insurance does not cover causes from pre existing condition. nothing is for free here the hospital treated everything and the surgery , but what the employees medical insurance did not pay the employee have to pay out of the pocket, and since he could not pay everything it was turned over to collection and made his life hell and screwed his credit. 2.) How is the stability of the company? how long have the company been standing, do they have a history of providing massive lay offs??? Big US corporations and everyone will agree with me have a refutation of laying off when the economy goes down. It is ok to ask the company your applying to how is the turn over rate. How long have most of the employees been in the company . If the employees are there for around 5 years or more thats a good sign and minimal lay off. 3.) Look into your future long term, you will eventually decide to have a family and you will provide for them check if the company your moving to provides long term plans like 401K,pensions. I was working white collar for 10 years and could have continued, even though i was laid off twice.I chose blue collar because the Institution i work for now have a very low lay off rate and they offer pension plans. I am just telling you ,becareful what you decide .You have a bright future while your young. You dont want to be that 50 year old that was given a pink slip and only to realize someone younger with new ideas is hired and cheaper. IT is very depressing when your at home unemployed and your unemployment pay is running out and your wife and kids are hoping . It is not illegal in the US to lay off people (except for Postal service they have a no lay off policy). Good Luck with your future endeavors and I wish the best for you!!!! God Bless!!!  Edited by strykergt 2013-10-01 6:41 PM |
| 2013-10-01 9:46 PM in reply to: strykergt |
Regular 106 | Subject: RE: Switching jobs I here ya. I work at a store of a major retail chain in my small hometown with a population of 3500. Im planning to leave the company and create my own business. I felt the need to communicate this with my Store Manager and I did so. She seemed very receptive of it and Im still there after 2 months. We even discussed it during my mid-year evalution, but only because we had to discuss my 5 year career plan during the evaluation. Considering who my boss is AND the store is in my small hometown, Im classifying this as a rare exception. |
| 2013-10-02 2:45 PM in reply to: bradleyd3 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Originally posted by bradleyd3 Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn No need to say anything until you have the offer in hand, and two weeks is perfectly acceptable. There's very little up-side to telling your boss that you're actively looking for a new job. Best case scenario is they decide they want to counter-offer and you accept. And then you're still at the same job you wanted to leave, only at a higher salary that may actually make it harder to find a new job if you decide in six months that money isn't enough to keep you in a dead-end job you hate. Plus, your boss will likely always see you as "the guy who quit and then made us pay through the nose to get him to stay". Worst case is they tell you to pack your stuff and get out. I've seen it happen more times than I care to count. The only exception would be if you have a very close relationship with your boss that's more like a mentorship than an boss/underling relationship. If he/she would understand your career goals and recognize the limitations of the position you're in, they might even be willing to help you by giving you a good reference and allowing you to have some flexibility to interview during work hours. That's a pretty unusal situation, though, and only you know whether you've got that kind of rapport with your boss. I've worked for lots of people and I could probably count on one hand the number of supervisors I've had who I would feel comfortable telling if I was looking for another job outside the company. The next time someone bad mouths HR, I'm going to show them this. Yeah, but what are the odds of that happening? Everyone loves us. |
| 2013-10-05 5:11 PM in reply to: Justin86 |
| 29 | Subject: RE: Switching jobs Even if you have a good relationship with your boss, I wouldn't say a word before two weeks. I considered giving early notice a couple jobs ago as I was relocating across the country and figured my boss would understand. He was a boss I'd grab beers with after work. When I put my two weeks in, he felt betrayed that I was leaving the company (again, I was relocating, this was my motivation) and he pretty much ignored me the next two weeks. All I got was an awkward "Good luck and I hope everything works out OK..." You don't owe more than two weeks. They wouldn't give you advance notice if they were to fire you.  |
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