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 2014-03-24 11:46 AM in reply to: MikeyP4 |
Elite  7783      PEI, Canada |  Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challengeOriginally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). |
| 2014-03-24 12:40 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). Open water is my happy place too. We have a picture perfect little lake that I move almost all my swimming to as soon as it warms up (late April-early May). I have not done a long continuous swim all winter and probably wouldn't until I'm in the lake. A lot of that is because my time is so limited in the pool. I swim during my lunch hour so timewise I'm limited. I think I'm going to change my workouts a bit based on what I've gathered here. More 100's and 50's. I'll have to experiment a little on paces and rest interval. Today will shoot for this: 500 wu 5 x 100 @ 1:35, 10 sec RI 5 x 50 @ :45, 10 sec RI 5 x 100 @ 1:35, 10 sec RI 5 x 50 @ :45, 10 sec RI Total: 2,000 |
| 2014-03-24 1:06 PM in reply to: switch |
| 324 | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Back on track today! shorter swim, 800 yards: includes rests 50 X 2 free warm up 200 freestyle swim set of: 25 breast, 75 free 25 free, 25 breast, 50 free 50 free, 25 breast, 25 free 75 free, 25 breast 25 sprint, 25 relaxed 50 cool down. Then 2 kind of easy miles on the treadmill. but that's a different challenge.  |
| 2014-03-24 1:17 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 2263 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). Funny that you mention open water, because here was Matt's response: Matt Fitzgerald Thanks for your message. The purpose of the long, continuous swims is to develop raw endurance in a manner that simulates open-water swimming. In fact, I recommend that these workouts be done in open water as often as it's convenient. As a side note, I'm impressed with how fast he responded to me. |
| 2014-03-24 3:07 PM in reply to: msteiner |
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| 2014-03-24 3:08 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by msteiner That is a super speedy response:) Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). Funny that you mention open water, because here was Matt's response: Matt Fitzgerald Thanks for your message. The purpose of the long, continuous swims is to develop raw endurance in a manner that simulates open-water swimming. In fact, I recommend that these workouts be done in open water as often as it's convenient. As a side note, I'm impressed with how fast he responded to me. It would help me mentally. I really still get a little intimidated by the big OWS. |
| 2014-03-24 3:09 PM in reply to: el penguino |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by el penguino Back on track today! shorter swim, 800 yards: includes rests 50 X 2 free warm up 200 freestyle swim set of: 25 breast, 75 free 25 free, 25 breast, 50 free 50 free, 25 breast, 25 free 75 free, 25 breast 25 sprint, 25 relaxed 50 cool down. Then 2 kind of easy miles on the treadmill. but that's a different challenge. :) Yay for back on track! |
| 2014-03-24 3:11 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). Funny that you mention open water, because here was Matt's response: Matt Fitzgerald Thanks for your message. The purpose of the long, continuous swims is to develop raw endurance in a manner that simulates open-water swimming. In fact, I recommend that these workouts be done in open water as often as it's convenient. As a side note, I'm impressed with how fast he responded to me. That does make a bit of sense to me. I'm not convinced it's the best use of time but if you can get out and do them in open water it has some relevance. |
| 2014-03-24 3:12 PM in reply to: switch |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch
week 2, 3/7, 3500y Nice workout and great pacing! |
| 2014-03-24 6:35 PM in reply to: axteraa |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge |
| 2014-03-24 6:39 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). Funny that you mention open water, because here was Matt's response: Matt Fitzgerald Thanks for your message. The purpose of the long, continuous swims is to develop raw endurance in a manner that simulates open-water swimming. In fact, I recommend that these workouts be done in open water as often as it's convenient. As a side note, I'm impressed with how fast he responded to me. That does make a bit of sense to me. I'm not convinced it's the best use of time but if you can get out and do them in open water it has some relevance. Yeah, same thoughts. From what I've seen it's more just keeping it under being a mainstay in a program. Not never, just not all the time, or say weekly year round as some like to do. Leading into a race, sure. Getting used to that is beneficial. There will certainly be variations on how much one should do. I've often done less than that as I'm usually thinking up the road more, wanting to build as much as possible for later things. Edited by brigby1 2014-03-24 6:40 PM |
| 2014-03-24 7:00 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by brigby1 You're a sick, sick man.3900 IM Because it's fun to do something besides freestyle all the time. |
| 2014-03-24 7:01 PM in reply to: popsracer |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by popsracer How'd it go Steve? Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4It's almost as though someone read my mind. I was thinking of asking this very question (whether I should start doing more long swims as opposed to short interval sets) and logged on to find this discussion, so thanks! Is it wise to complete these intervals at a relatively consistent pace or would I benefit more from a descending (or build by 50's) set? I'm not a big fan of doing the long pool swims but if I was going to do one, I would be doing it as a build. At least a build in effort - that may mean that pace remains steady but I wouldn't want to slow down as it went on. About the only time I would do a session like that is if I was out in open water (my happy place). Open water is my happy place too. We have a picture perfect little lake that I move almost all my swimming to as soon as it warms up (late April-early May). I have not done a long continuous swim all winter and probably wouldn't until I'm in the lake. A lot of that is because my time is so limited in the pool. I swim during my lunch hour so timewise I'm limited. I think I'm going to change my workouts a bit based on what I've gathered here. More 100's and 50's. I'll have to experiment a little on paces and rest interval. Today will shoot for this: 500 wu 5 x 100 @ 1:35, 10 sec RI 5 x 50 @ :45, 10 sec RI 5 x 100 @ 1:35, 10 sec RI 5 x 50 @ :45, 10 sec RI Total: 2,000 |
| 2014-03-25 12:05 AM in reply to: switch |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Today's swim did not happen. Busy, busy day at work. I'm in healthcare financial management and these are crazy times. Also had an ear ache today that was bugging me. Did get a short trainer session and run in though this evening. |
| 2014-03-25 8:02 AM in reply to: switch |
Expert 4929 Middle River, Maryland Silver member | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch Originally posted by brigby1 You're a sick, sick man.3900 IM Because it's fun to do something besides freestyle all the time. +1....yikes. |
| 2014-03-25 8:15 AM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by jmhpsu93 Originally posted by switch Originally posted by brigby1 You're a sick, sick man.3900 IM Because it's fun to do something besides freestyle all the time. +1....yikes. Only like 450 of it was fly. All 50's & 25's. Breaststroke is coming more easily, and somehow have always been able to do a good deal of backstroke even if it's not that fast. |
| 2014-03-25 8:19 AM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
Expert 4929 Middle River, Maryland Silver member | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge 'Morning, everyone. I thought I'd share a cool story posted yesterday on the Washington Post website: It's about my daughter's swim coach, who is planning swim across the English Channel next summer (Aug 2015). She also helps coach my Masters team. There's also a video showing her coaching, and I think you can just see my daughter's head in there somewhere. :-) Here's her training schedule from last week: I think I'm a little behind her in yardage. |
| 2014-03-25 8:23 AM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by jmhpsu93 'Morning, everyone. I thought I'd share a cool story posted yesterday on the Washington Post website: It's about my daughter's swim coach, who is planning swim across the English Channel next summer (Aug 2015). She also helps coach my Masters team. There's also a video showing her coaching, and I think you can just see my daughter's head in there somewhere. :-) Here's her training schedule from last week: I think I'm a little behind her in yardage. That's cool. 5 x 1500m - who wants to tackle that set next week? |
| 2014-03-25 8:58 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 2263 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Today's 3100m set: WU: 350 @ low aerobic intensity This set was tough. For the 100's I came in about 1:30 (1:22/100yd) I was getting the 150's in at about 2:03-2:06 (around 1:15/100yd pace), which hurt after the 100's. Thankfully, Matt was nice enough to give me plenty of rest after each one. |
| 2014-03-25 9:04 AM in reply to: msteiner |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by msteiner Today's 3100m set: WU: 350 @ low aerobic intensity This set was tough. For the 100's I came in about 1:30 (1:22/100yd) I was getting the 150's in at about 2:03-2:06 (around 1:15/100yd pace), which hurt after the 100's. Thankfully, Matt was nice enough to give me plenty of rest after each one. That's a tough set, nice work! |
| 2014-03-25 9:05 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Good for her! That sounds absolutely impossible. The swimming part I could imagine training for (in theory, if I were a real swimmer) but 12-14 hours in 60 water no wetsuit? That part makes it sound just impossible.Originally posted by jmhpsu93 'Morning, everyone. I thought I'd share a cool story posted yesterday on the Washington Post website: It's about my daughter's swim coach, who is planning swim across the English Channel next summer (Aug 2015). She also helps coach my Masters team. There's also a video showing her coaching, and I think you can just see my daughter's head in there somewhere. :-) Here's her training schedule from last week: I think I'm a little behind her in yardage. That's cool. 5 x 1500m - who wants to tackle that set next week? Cool that your daughter has such an inspired woman as a coach and role model :)
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| 2014-03-25 9:06 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Yeah, no doubt! 6 x 150 all-out would be very tough. Especially in meters :)Originally posted by msteiner Today's 3100m set: WU: 350 @ low aerobic intensity This set was tough. For the 100's I came in about 1:30 (1:22/100yd) I was getting the 150's in at about 2:03-2:06 (around 1:15/100yd pace), which hurt after the 100's. Thankfully, Matt was nice enough to give me plenty of rest after each one. That's a tough set, nice work!
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| 2014-03-25 9:08 AM in reply to: popsracer |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by popsracer I was just wondering the other day what you did for a living. I'm sorry your swim got jacked, but nice job still tagging the trainer and run :)Today's swim did not happen. Busy, busy day at work. I'm in healthcare financial management and these are crazy times. Also had an ear ache today that was bugging me. Did get a short trainer session and run in though this evening. Take care of that ear! |
| 2014-03-25 9:12 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Two questions for the group: 1) After yesterdays swim I noticed a quarter-sized lump/bump on the front of my left shoulder. FWIW, I breathe every 2 and on my left, and I'm guessing it's my weaker side. It doesn't hurt, per se, but I do feel it. If you've ever done a lot of bench, chest-fly or pushups and have had soreness the next day along the sternum, it kinda feels like that. Anybody have any idea what it is?
2) Have any of you ever done any swimming in an Endless Pool? Does the current change how you "feel" the water or your stroke at all? |
| 2014-03-25 12:53 PM in reply to: switch |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Week 2 ,4/7 |
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