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PennState - 2010-04-20 4:41 PM On a less sobering topic, I am getting pretty close to the bike challenge goal this month


Nice! My slacking last weekend has really set me back. I keep getting the calculator out thinking maybe there is hope but I think with my upcoming business travel that I'll be falling short of 600 But the positive side is that I'll likely hit 550 or close to it and that's a big volume for me this early in the training so the challenge served a purpose!


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My last post was sort of covered by the swim start melee so I'll just throw this out there one more time. 

I need a new Garmin and was wondering if anyone had any input on the 310xt.  I've been happy with my 305 until it came apart (I'm holding it together with rubber bands right now).  Just trying to figure out if the 310 is worth the the extra money. 

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papson14 - 2010-04-20 7:41 PM

My last post was sort of covered by the swim start melee so I'll just throw this out there one more time. 

I need a new Garmin and was wondering if anyone had any input on the 310xt.  I've been happy with my 305 until it came apart (I'm holding it together with rubber bands right now).  Just trying to figure out if the 310 is worth the the extra money. 



In my humble opinion, if you need a watch get the 310.  If you have a 305 (like me) then it's not worth the upgrade.  But the extended battery life + waterproofing makes it an ideal watch for an ironman.  The only time I'd miss the 310 if I had a 305 is on race day.
2010-04-21 6:36 AM
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papson14 - 2010-04-20 7:41 PM

My last post was sort of covered by the swim start melee so I'll just throw this out there one more time. 

I need a new Garmin and was wondering if anyone had any input on the 310xt.  I've been happy with my 305 until it came apart (I'm holding it together with rubber bands right now).  Just trying to figure out if the 310 is worth the the extra money. 

I have one friend who got one and he hates it.  It doesn't record distance in the water -- which, like, wasn't that the whole idea of this model??  He also said something that it doesn't do, is when you are in multi-sport mode and you change from Bike to Run, it doesn't give you your avg run splits while running as it can't separate the two different sports for calculations while on the fly.  Given this feedback from my friend, I made a decision not to pay the extra dough and just stick with my 305.   

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Dream Chaser - 2010-04-21 7:36 AM

papson14 - 2010-04-20 7:41 PM

My last post was sort of covered by the swim start melee so I'll just throw this out there one more time. 

I need a new Garmin and was wondering if anyone had any input on the 310xt.  I've been happy with my 305 until it came apart (I'm holding it together with rubber bands right now).  Just trying to figure out if the 310 is worth the the extra money. 

I have one friend who got one and he hates it.  It doesn't record distance in the water -- which, like, wasn't that the whole idea of this model??  He also said something that it doesn't do, is when you are in multi-sport mode and you change from Bike to Run, it doesn't give you your avg run splits while running as it can't separate the two different sports for calculations while on the fly.  Given this feedback from my friend, I made a decision not to pay the extra dough and just stick with my 305.   



No offense to your friend, but if he had done ANY research on the internet, including just going to Garmin's website, he would've learned that it doesn't, and isn't supposed to, record distance in the water: From Garmin: "Time Your Swim

The Forerunner 310XT is waterproof to a depth of 50 meters, so you can wear it in the pool or the lake to time your swim. And its slim design and flexible wristband mean Forerunner is easy to wear in any conditions."

It is, however, waterproof, so at least you can have it with you in the water, if you like, and not have to put the watch on while in transition.

My thoughts on which garmin: If you have a powermeter, or plan to get a powermeter, consider the 310xt, because it is ant+ compatible, so you can just have one device for all 3 sports. If you don't have a powermeter, than definitely go with the 305- it's essentially the same as the 310, but a whole lot cheaper. The only other issue is the battery life, but I've heard of plenty of people who have the 305 last through an Ironman.
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So this is my first (Full) Ironman
expected time---- too far away yet....
rented a condo a half mile from start
have 1/2 marathon planned a time trial, Eagleman 70.3, and few sprints planned
Looking to have a BLAST!!!!

Going up there last weekend in June to train for 3 days!!!  Is the bike course marked??? 

Thansk and enjoying reading the thread!!

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Psyched to be heading up to Jim Thorpe for a Saturday and Sunday training weekend! Hope to get an 80 miler with a short run on Saturday and Sunday we are riding/running the Black Bear Oly course.
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Anyone doing the FiremanIronman training weekend? I know this was brought up before. I am strongly considering it.
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Has anyone done or is anyone doing the JerseyMan HIM on May 23 in Clinton, NJ? There are a couple of RR out there but was wondering if anyone had any insight on it. Black Bear is now only an Oly as I planned on doing that race. If I had known earlier I would have tried to sign up for Eagleman. Alas, I want to get a half in before LP just to guage where I am and this seemed not too far away to make it a day trip. Thanks...
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Monty - 2010-04-21 4:10 PM Has anyone done or is anyone doing the JerseyMan HIM on May 23 in Clinton, NJ? There are a couple of RR out there but was wondering if anyone had any insight on it. Black Bear is now only an Oly as I planned on doing that race. If I had known earlier I would have tried to sign up for Eagleman. Alas, I want to get a half in before LP just to guage where I am and this seemed not too far away to make it a day trip. Thanks...

There's Harryman HIM on May 22nd!  I'm doing it!  I read on another site that it's sold out (they take the first 400 for Olympic and Half combined) but it still looks open to me.  http://www.genesisadventures.com/v4/main.php?left=triathlons&center=harrymantri

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Okay, just to hear myself talk (type) and make it easier to find where I've read up to on the page, I'm thinking of a question to ask....

For a suck-tastic cyclist (myself)...what are the minimum number of long rides one needs to do to feel like they get got off the bike at LP and run a marathon without keeling over?

The more I read on BT the more I understand that pacing is going to make or break my day, but I'm kind of uneasy about just averaging 15mph.  I'll have only two century rides under my belt before race day (at this point anyway). 

Perhaps the underlying question is similar to those who worry about walking during a road race...am I going to look like a wuss for averaging 15mph so that I have something for the run?  I'll have an hour of cushion time coming out of the water...

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks!


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WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-21 4:44 PM Okay, just to hear myself talk (type) and make it easier to find where I've read up to on the page, I'm thinking of a question to ask....

For a suck-tastic cyclist (myself)...what are the minimum number of long rides one needs to do to feel like they get got off the bike at LP and run a marathon without keeling over?

The more I read on BT the more I understand that pacing is going to make or break my day, but I'm kind of uneasy about just averaging 15mph.  I'll have only two century rides under my belt before race day (at this point anyway). 

Perhaps the underlying question is similar to those who worry about walking during a road race...am I going to look like a wuss for averaging 15mph so that I have something for the run?  I'll have an hour of cushion time coming out of the water...

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks!


Ride lots and you will improve. I'd suggest trying to get a long ride and a medium long ride in weekly if you can fit it in to your schedule and life. If you can't get that second medium long ride in weekly maybe every other week or 2 out of 3 weeks.

When I did LP I had done many Olys where I avg 19-20 mph and at LP I was under 15 mph.humbling for sure but it was fun none the less. It's challenging course and having right gears helps save your legs for the run. It's a power to weight ratio issue and stronger cyclist the difference between LP and say FL bike is smaller than a weaker cyclist. Extra weight doesn't help either. You don't train with power but for me my FTP was right around 190 and I weighed 158 race day.

I got out on the run at 10 hours exactly and there were others riding with me out on the course and plenty on run course the whole time I was out there.

Who cares if folks this you are a wuss for averaging 15 mph or whatever it turns out to be. Key is to pace well for you so you come off the bike able to do your best. Folks will be out cheering for you where ever you are on the course and you feel like a superstar even if you are a close to midnight finisher.

I try to let go of time goals and comparisons to others and do the best I can training to prepare me for race day. We can only control us and what we do to train for the race. Don't let speedy others here on BT or anywhere discourage you and take away from the amazing journey you are undertaking!

If you take to Jenn she rode the LP course a few times last year before the race at different effort levels. If I recall and hopefully she'll chime in with right info. but riding about 15' slower made her feel so much better off the bike that is what she did on race day. Pacing is key!



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WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-21 4:44 PM Okay, just to hear myself talk (type) and make it easier to find where I've read up to on the page, I'm thinking of a question to ask....

For a suck-tastic cyclist (myself)...what are the minimum number of long rides one needs to do to feel like they get got off the bike at LP and run a marathon without keeling over?

The more I read on BT the more I understand that pacing is going to make or break my day, but I'm kind of uneasy about just averaging 15mph.  I'll have only two century rides under my belt before race day (at this point anyway). 

Perhaps the underlying question is similar to those who worry about walking during a road race...am I going to look like a wuss for averaging 15mph so that I have something for the run?  I'll have an hour of cushion time coming out of the water...

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks!


Ride lots and you will improve. I'd suggest trying to get a long ride and a medium long ride in weekly if you can fit it in to your schedule and life. If you can't get that second medium long ride in weekly maybe every other week or 2 out of 3 weeks.

When I did LP I had done many Olys where I avg 19-20 mph and at LP I was under 15 mph.humbling for sure but it was fun none the less. It's challenging course and having right gears helps save your legs for the run. It's a power to weight ratio issue and stronger cyclist the difference between LP and say FL bike is smaller than a weaker cyclist. Extra weight doesn't help either. You don't train with power but for me my FTP was right around 190 and I weighed 158 race day.

I got out on the run at 10 hours exactly and there were others riding with me out on the course and plenty on run course the whole time I was out there.

Who cares if folks this you are a wuss for averaging 15 mph or whatever it turns out to be. Key is to pace well for you so you come off the bike able to do your best. Folks will be out cheering for you where ever you are on the course and you feel like a superstar even if you are a close to midnight finisher.

I try to let go of time goals and comparisons to others and do the best I can training to prepare me for race day. We can only control us and what we do to train for the race. Don't let speedy others here on BT or anywhere discourage you and take away from the amazing journey you are undertaking!

If you take to Jenn she rode the LP course a few times last year before the race at different effort levels. If I recall and hopefully she'll chime in with right info. but riding about 15' slower made her feel so much better off the bike that is what she did on race day. Pacing is key!



 

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Since we're all over the map on topics here, and we need more posts to get us to 200 pages, I'm submitting my own question.

So, I've never owned a wetsuit before, but am planning on buying one for IMLP, hopefully within the next month.

A few questions:

1. Not sure yet whether to go with long sleeves or sleeveless. My turnover rate is high, so I was told to go sleeveless, but then someone else pointed out that if it fit well, the sleeves shouldn't even bother me. Any further advice?

2. How does one even go about purchasing a wetsuit? Do you just go to a store (was thinking JackRabbit or SBR) and try them on? Do you buy it online based on the size the manufacturer recommends? Is it important to try it on and wear it in water to see how it fits before you buy it?

3. Any particular brand that everyone loves? I've heard BlueSeventy is good. And everyone seems to like one brand where the customer support is stellar…is that 2XU?

Anyway, it's a little intimidating having to go into this blind...any and all advice would be appreciated!

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swishyskirt - 2010-04-21 5:48 PM
1. Not sure yet whether to go with long sleeves or sleeveless. My turnover rate is high, so I was told to go sleeveless, but then someone else pointed out that if it fit well, the sleeves shouldn't even bother me. Any further advice?

2. How does one even go about purchasing a wetsuit? Do you just go to a store (was thinking JackRabbit or SBR) and try them on? Do you buy it online based on the size the manufacturer recommends? Is it important to try it on and wear it in water to see how it fits before you buy it?

3. Any particular brand that everyone loves?


1. Full sleeve
2. If you can, try them on. Some tri shops will even have an endless pool you can test it out in. Don't be afraid to ask to take it for a test swim.
3. All the brands you mentioned make excellent suits but you left out ZOOT.

Edited by bryancd 2010-04-21 6:58 PM


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swishyskirt - 2010-04-21 7:48 PM


Anyway, it's a little intimidating having to go into this blind...any and all advice would be appreciated!

 

I bought a full sleeve Xterra.  It was GREAT last year for the first OWS of the season...by the end of June I'd end up taking the whole darn thing off because I was overheating (I figure a sleeveless would help with the overheating).  They even have $99 suits.  I just went into it blindly.  I honestly don't think you can mess up a wetsuit purchase. =)
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Thanks for the advice...I want to race like the big boys, but I'll stick with the best I can do.

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WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-21 4:44 PM Okay, just to hear myself talk (type) and make it easier to find where I've read up to on the page, I'm thinking of a question to ask....

For a suck-tastic cyclist (myself)...what are the minimum number of long rides one needs to do to feel like they get got off the bike at LP and run a marathon without keeling over?

The more I read on BT the more I understand that pacing is going to make or break my day, but I'm kind of uneasy about just averaging 15mph.  I'll have only two century rides under my belt before race day (at this point anyway). 

Perhaps the underlying question is similar to those who worry about walking during a road race...am I going to look like a wuss for averaging 15mph so that I have something for the run?  I'll have an hour of cushion time coming out of the water...

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks!


Ride lots and you will improve. I'd suggest trying to get a long ride and a medium long ride in weekly if you can fit it in to your schedule and life. If you can't get that second medium long ride in weekly maybe every other week or 2 out of 3 weeks.

When I did LP I had done many Olys where I avg 19-20 mph and at LP I was under 15 mph.humbling for sure but it was fun none the less. It's challenging course and having right gears helps save your legs for the run. It's a power to weight ratio issue and stronger cyclist the difference between LP and say FL bike is smaller than a weaker cyclist. Extra weight doesn't help either. You don't train with power but for me my FTP was right around 190 and I weighed 158 race day.

I got out on the run at 10 hours exactly and there were others riding with me out on the course and plenty on run course the whole time I was out there.

Who cares if folks this you are a wuss for averaging 15 mph or whatever it turns out to be. Key is to pace well for you so you come off the bike able to do your best. Folks will be out cheering for you where ever you are on the course and you feel like a superstar even if you are a close to midnight finisher.

I try to let go of time goals and comparisons to others and do the best I can training to prepare me for race day. We can only control us and what we do to train for the race. Don't let speedy others here on BT or anywhere discourage you and take away from the amazing journey you are undertaking!

If you take to Jenn she rode the LP course a few times last year before the race at different effort levels. If I recall and hopefully she'll chime in with right info. but riding about 15' slower made her feel so much better off the bike that is what she did on race day. Pacing is key!



 

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WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-22 10:22 AM I want to race like the big boys, but I'll stick with the best I can do.

That's all they're doing as well.

had to come back and fix my spelling

 



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Wetsuits:  If you can try them on that would be best.  Doesn't SBR have an endless pool inside their store?  That would be a great way to spend an afternoon.

My wife and I both bought Xterra Vortex 2's a few years ago and have had no issues with them.  We both bought them online and I had to exchange mine.  They put the better fitting size in the mail before I even returned the first one.  Their customer service was awesome.

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bryancd - 2010-04-21 6:57 PM
swishyskirt - 2010-04-21 5:48 PM 1. Not sure yet whether to go with long sleeves or sleeveless. My turnover rate is high, so I was told to go sleeveless, but then someone else pointed out that if it fit well, the sleeves shouldn't even bother me. Any further advice?

2. How does one even go about purchasing a wetsuit? Do you just go to a store (was thinking JackRabbit or SBR) and try them on? Do you buy it online based on the size the manufacturer recommends? Is it important to try it on and wear it in water to see how it fits before you buy it?

3. Any particular brand that everyone loves?
1. Full sleeve 2. If you can, try them on. Some tri shops will even have an endless pool you can test it out in. Don't be afraid to ask to take it for a test swim. 3. All the brands you mentioned make excellent suits but you left out ZOOT.

^^^ What he said.  And yes, try a Zoot.  I looked a bunch of suits and ended up liking the Zoot Zenith the best.    I don't feel any problems with flexibility in that suit.  And wearing it makes you feel like a superhero. 



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Hey got some well needed rest today with a total of 12hr of sleep.  Throat is much better but my mouth feels like its been tanned from all the saltwater gargling.




Monty - 2010-04-21 4:10 PM Has anyone done or is anyone doing the JerseyMan HIM on May 23 in Clinton, NJ? There are a couple of RR out there but was wondering if anyone had any insight on it. Black Bear is now only an Oly as I planned on doing that race. If I had known earlier I would have tried to sign up for Eagleman. Alas, I want to get a half in before LP just to guage where I am and this seemed not too far away to make it a day trip. Thanks...

 
I did JerseyMan HIM twice 08’ and 09’.  We stayed in Clinton NJ both time, not far.  The run and swim are in the Spruce Run recreation area so good for spectators. 
 
Swim is a rectangle course in a dark fresh water reservoir.  Can be cold, I think it was 68 and 63 temp wise.  There is about a 200yds sandy beach run and another 50yds on pavement to transition.  Transition was changed in 09’ to the parking lot for the better, it was on the grass area.
 
Bike leaves the Spruce Run recreation area goes out for one big loop in the Jersey country.  The bike course has a lot of straight legs that are flats and slight grades with smooth roads.  There are some technical turns with a short bit of windy single lane country road.  Total climbing is about 2500ft so not too bad.  Definitely a aero course and can be very fast.  I really like this course.  I would strongly recommend to drive the bike course.   
 
The run was two loops in Spruce Run recreation area.  It is mainly flat with some grades and plenty of support. 
 
Overall it was a very good race in my opinion.  I thought the race was well done with the same RD both years.  I would recommend it and I will probable do it again in the future.
 
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WittyCityGirl - 2010-04-21 4:44 PM Okay, just to hear myself talk (type) and make it easier to find where I've read up to on the page, I'm thinking of a question to ask....

For a suck-tastic cyclist (myself)...what are the minimum number of long rides one needs to do to feel like they get got off the bike at LP and run a marathon without keeling over?

The more I read on BT the more I understand that pacing is going to make or break my day, but I'm kind of uneasy about just averaging 15mph.  I'll have only two century rides under my belt before race day (at this point anyway). 

Perhaps the underlying question is similar to those who worry about walking during a road race...am I going to look like a wuss for averaging 15mph so that I have something for the run?  I'll have an hour of cushion time coming out of the water...

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks!



If you take to Jenn she rode the LP course a few times last year before the race at different effort levels. If I recall and hopefully she'll chime in with right info. but riding about 15' slower made her feel so much better off the bike that is what she did on race day. Pacing is key!



Ahhhh, Kathy, i totally forgot about that.  Great memory!  YES!  Kathy is right.  I went up twice in June to train.  My plan for the ride from Jorge....Loop 1: super super ez.  Loop 2:  super ez.  That's it.  

First weekend up there I did 2 loops in ~7:30, ran 4 miles after and felt great.  Totally could have run more.  Second training weekend up there 2 weeks later, I added 1 gear basically.  One.  That's it.  I still was biking easy, but just bumped it up one teeny tiny notch.  Bike split was like 7:10 or 7:15, something like that, and my 4 mile transition run was terrible.  Absolutely awful.  I was cursing the bears on the end of the second loop that 2 weeks before I did totally fine with.  Blowing up that 2nd time up there was the best thing that could have happened to me.  I knew without a doubt what my bike needed to feel like to have a good run.  Race day my goal was to bike no faster than what I thought 7:30 felt like.  And doing it all by RPE, race day I did 7:32 (i think, hard for me to remember).  Perfect execution. 

And fwiw, that 7:32, which is less than 15mph, put me somewhere around 50% for my AG bike split.  And my run was somewhere around 50% as well.  So it's not as slow as you think relatively.

 
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swishyskirt - 2010-04-21 7:48 PM

Since we're all over the map on topics here, and we need more posts to get us to 200 pages, I'm submitting my own question.

So, I've never owned a wetsuit before, but am planning on buying one for IMLP, hopefully within the next month.

A few questions:

1. Not sure yet whether to go with long sleeves or sleeveless. My turnover rate is high, so I was told to go sleeveless, but then someone else pointed out that if it fit well, the sleeves shouldn't even bother me. Any further advice?

2. How does one even go about purchasing a wetsuit? Do you just go to a store (was thinking JackRabbit or SBR) and try them on? Do you buy it online based on the size the manufacturer recommends? Is it important to try it on and wear it in water to see how it fits before you buy it?

3. Any particular brand that everyone loves? I've heard BlueSeventy is good. And everyone seems to like one brand where the customer support is stellar…is that 2XU?

Anyway, it's a little intimidating having to go into this blind...any and all advice would be appreciated!



Depends on how much $$ you want to spend.  Everyone raves about the BlueSeventy Helix.  I have the Blue Seventy Reaction in Sleeveless and it's totally fine for me.  I also don't really care about my times so having the best wasn't that big of a deal to me.  I might be the only one, but I hated full-sleeve.  Wore one full-sleeve wetsuit for one race and it was my worst swim.  I ordered mine from trisports b/c you can try it and return it if you don't like it.  So glad I had that option. 
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^^You are the only one. You either didn't have it on right or it was the wrong size. Full sleeve is ALWAYS better than sleeveless.
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