Tebow! (Page 11)

Scooby...I know Bronco fans in Denver that will not give Tebow any credit.  He's just not what many believe to be a guy that should have ever made it as an NFL QB.  Probably the same guys that will say that Marino is the greatest QB ever. But Marino couldn't win the big game in how many years as a starting QB?  I'm actually enjoying this as all the arm chair quarterbacks and NFL experts are still trying to discredit Tebow as an NFL quarterback.  He's proven that he belongs in the NFL.

The same line that Orton had.  Oh, and the Broncos were minus Chris Kuper tonight.

Well with the injuries that team has had, you can almost say that the Broncos beat half the best defense in the league

I'm sorry... WHAT??? We had one winning season in 6 years. No playoffs. McDaniels came in and dismantled the team to remake it in his image. 6 defensive coordinators in 6 years... ya, he inherited a regular power house. Regular Arron Rodgers situation.

Come on... seriously...  I come from the capital of a one man team. Elway could bring a team to the bowl all by himself, but he could not win it until he had a team. Tebow isn't even in the same time zone as Elway... it isn't Tebows game to win or loose... that is just what the media loves to play up... and the same in this thread.

The BRONCOS played very well today. The BRONCOS played like crap the last 3 games. The BRONCOS have been getting better each game this year. .... and all the while...Tebow has been pulling his weight and more for what he does and where he is at in his career. PERIOD. What exactly is he responsible for in that organization with what we have been putting up for since the last time Steelers kicked our butt in the playoffs???

I agree with you to a certain degree, that is a team loss or win.  Having said that a QB has always more to do with the success of a team than any other player, you don’t see a middle linebacker being benched by a 6 game losing streak, is either the QB, Coach or a combination of both.

The highlighted part doesn’t make sense to me; getting better each game is a sign of consistency and they have been anything but that.  They have won a few games in a row, and then have been atrocious for a few which happens when you have an inconsistent QB.

It was a great win for Denver, I’m glad for their fans and it sure was dramatic, but that game doesn’t change a thing…..

Well said. 

Still with the bashing??

The best defense in the league stepped right up in Tebow's face and dared him to beat them with his arm. So he did. Only 10 for 21, but 316 yards, 2 TD's and a rush TD. QB rating of 125. Did he throw some carp passes? Sure. Did he guide his team to yet another thrilling victory? Yup.

The QB is always the one who gets the focus, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, etc etc are always talked about. Why when Tebow is the focus people get mad is ridiculous to me. Sure the team won, teams always win it in football. But the QB gets the blame or credit the most - right or wrong.

They do.  I won't argue that.  But the examples you gave (Rodgers, Brees, etc....) are not apples to apples.  I know you're not saying that Tebow is the same as those guys.  When someone talks about those guys being the cause of the teams success, I think it is justified because they do so much.  But when people talk about it being Tebow, I don't think so.  I think the coaches have changed up their play calling and schemes in order to make Tebow as successful as he possibly can be (as any good coaching staff would do).  Just take a look at how many linemen they put down to defend against the Steelers defense.  And I do not think the Broncos are successful in spite of Tebow or because of Tebow, but that he is doing his part just like anyone else on the team.

The only thing that I attribute 100% to Tebow is that he has brought a Passion and belief to never give up, never quite and you can win any game you're in.  And that counts for A LOT in my opinion and I think has been responsible for some wins.  Otherwise,  I don't know how you look past the coaching and the defense and Tebow did it all on his own.  I don't know how you say he's responsible for all of this.

No, you see a QB getting benched for being ineffective at his position. You would see the same for a line backer blowing position and allowing scores every drive... loosing the game.

Consitencey is the sign or a well functioning seasoned mature team... something the Broncos are not. Inconsistent play is exactly what you get from a new coaching staff with a new quarterback in a the middle of a rebuilding effort. "Getting better" is a relative term when you start from zero.

Their inconsistent play can't be layed at the feet of Tebow for the last 3 games. He had one good onre, two bad... but the defense also laid down and could not stop anything. How is the defense laying down the fault of a in inconsistent QB?

I'm not trying to be obstinant. I realize the QB is the leader of the team... real or not he is balmed or praised for the team. I get that... but it is a TEAM sport... and when things are not going right for the team, then you have to start looking at individual parts to see what is wrong. There is plenty of blame, and plenty of praise to go around for this years Broncos. It has been a very positive year even if they still have plenty of improving to do.  Tebow has done well, still needs to get better. The defense has done well, still needs to get better. The receivers and running back same thing... special teams, offensive line, seconday... you get the point.

The best defense in football wasn't in his face much. While Pittsburgh packed guys within 7 yards of the line, they got little to now pressure on Tebow most of the game. If you are going to bring the safeties up like that then you have to get pressure on the QB. It looked at times like they were so focused on the option that they were completely ignoring the fact that their corners were getting beat like they stole something.

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Right... hey were so concerned with him beating them with the run, they put all their eggs in one basket to stop the run. They dared Denver to beat them in the air and they did exactly that. Even look at Tebow... last drive, wide open receiver on a 3rd and 8 has 1st down no problem... Tebow throws it in the dirt. Denver looses and all we hear about is how bad a QB he is. But the game goes to OT and we see what happens when Tebow can hit a simple slant and the receiver won't be denied. They lost.

Steelers had a devensive game plan, they stuck to it, they lost. As if the first 3 quarters were not enough, Taylor is still thinking run, gets too close to the line, blows coverage on a simple slant and lets 6 point go right by.... Like it or not, crappy arm or not, Tebow draws a lot of concern.... Steelers game planned for him and they still could not cover the rest of the field. The #1 defense in the league will be the same place next week as you and I.... on the couch watching the game.

Good quarterbacking hides a lot of imperfections in a team, or at least doesn’t bring them front and center.  Inconsistent and poor play from that position does the opposite, so that’s why I say that normally the first position to feel the ramifications is the QB position and rightfully so.

I experienced this first hand with my hometown team (dolphins).  They had a very good defense for a lot of years when Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas were in their prime, unfortunately the offense couldn’t move the ball, defense had to stay on the field too dam long, and by the end of the game you saw the defense flexing and giving the big play.  To the naked eye, it was the fault of the corner or the middle linebacker in a busted coverage, but if you looked deeper you realized that the defense had spent 75% percent of the snaps in the field and that they were gassed.  On the other hand, you have the Brees, Mannings (Payton), etc, that move the ball, get firsts downs, and help the defense hide some of their inefficiencies.

Elway will face a dilemma in this draft, does he go for a QB in the first round if there is someone that they like available and ignore the need at other positions, or do they go and try to find a veteran QB to fill the gap if needed (which I think it will, no secret on my views there).  I personally don’t think Elway wants to give the wheel of the team to Tebow, but he might not have any other option to do it and just add a brake pedal on the passenger side.

Can't really argue that. Orton was not the guy. He was the veteran QB you wanted as back up (he felt different). A guy that does not make a lot of stupid mistakes, but he was not going to win you a ring.

So ya, Tebow and Quinn back up... wow... you almost have to bring in a guy with such uncertainty. For right now, Tebow is the guy, end of discussion... the front office will have to have serious evidence to pull him and call it quits with the fans. Can't even figure Quinn out, but we need back up. Come next season there will be some serious expectations of serious improvement with Tebow in the off season. And yes we will need much more consistency. But compared to where we started this season... Tebow and the Broncos are on a uppward trajectory.... and we would not have been heading to Foxbourogh with Orton.

Can't really argue that. Orton was not the guy. He was the veteran QB you wanted as back up (he felt different). A guy that does not make a lot of stupid mistakes, but he was not going to win you a ring.

So ya, Tebow and Quinn back up... wow... you almost have to bring in a guy with such uncertainty. For right now, Tebow is the guy, end of discussion... the front office will have to have serious evidence to pull him and call it quits with the fans. Can't even figure Quinn out, but we need back up. Come next season there will be some serious expectations of serious improvement with Tebow in the off season. And yes we will need much more consistency. But compared to where we started this season... Tebow and the Broncos are on a uppward trajectory.... and we would not have been heading to Foxbourogh with Orton.

Yes I mostly agree. But if you are going to say that the offensive game plan held Tebow back late in the season, then you also have to acknowledge that the defensive game plan of the Steelers helped him succeed. Despite the fact that the Broncos were having little success running and the receivers were consistently beating the corners on routes, they never adjusted. Thats bad coaching.