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 2008-07-08 2:29 PM in reply to: #1515073 |
Expert  1166    Colchester, CT |  Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake PlacidMaine Rob - 2008-07-08 2:20 PM So I'm rethinking my swim strategy - in 2006 I started about 1/3rd of the way back and swam just inside the buoys. There was contact, but not all that bad. I was on the shore last year watching the swim start, and there seemed to be a lot more people trying to follow that line, and a lot of beating going on as people tried to get around the dock and get on the line. Plus, looking at the overhead pictures from last years's swim, it looks pretty intense on both sides of the buoy line. So this started me thinking about starting over to the right and taking a diagonal line to the first buoy, which led me to do a little basic math which doesn't seem right to me - assuming that the length of the straight line to the turn buoy is 1000 yards, and I start 50 yards to the right, then the diagonal line is only a little over 1001 yards. Only a yard longer? Can that be right? I know, taper madness is getting to me... Shhhhhhh, don't let that secret out. Your math appears right to me. (that's was my plan of attack as well)
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| 2008-07-08 2:31 PM in reply to: #1514785 |
Champion 6539  South Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid It's definitely. Most likely. rollinbones - 2008-07-08 1:59 PM ?!?!?!? WHich is it? I don't mean to pick on you Lauren but you just made it too easy LaurenSU02 - 2008-07-08 1:42 PM probably definitely . |
| 2008-07-08 4:03 PM in reply to: #1515073 |
| Master 1728 portland, or | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Maine Rob - 2008-07-08 11:20 AM So I'm rethinking my swim strategy - in 2006 I started about 1/3rd of the way back and swam just inside the buoys. There was contact, but not all that bad. I was on the shore last year watching the swim start, and there seemed to be a lot more people trying to follow that line, and a lot of beating going on as people tried to get around the dock and get on the line. Plus, looking at the overhead pictures from last years's swim, it looks pretty intense on both sides of the buoy line. So this started me thinking about starting over to the right and taking a diagonal line to the first buoy, which led me to do a little basic math which doesn't seem right to me - assuming that the length of the straight line to the turn buoy is 1000 yards, and I start 50 yards to the right, then the diagonal line is only a little over 1001 yards. Only a yard longer? Can that be right? I know, taper madness is getting to me... I think you're math's off. I think it would an extra 25 meters, or 2.5% longer. scott |
| 2008-07-08 4:20 PM in reply to: #1038503 |
Veteran 227 Brentwood, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid a squared + b squared = c squared... 1.249 yards longer.. |
| 2008-07-08 4:39 PM in reply to: #1515487 |
| Master 1728 portland, or | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid gremlin327 - 2008-07-08 1:20 PM a squared + b squared = c squared... 1.249 yards longer.. I think I'm a decimal point off, but I get 1002.5 meters. But I could still be wrong. I'm by no means a math expert. Regardless, it's not much. It's about where I planned on lining up, but if you can convince enough people to line up there, I'll move back to the buoy line.  scott Edited by yaqui 2008-07-08 4:54 PM |
| 2008-07-08 5:26 PM in reply to: #1038503 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Gremlin..great video..seems you and Courtney are in the lead...everyone go check out his video and vote for him and Courtney...pretty cool! |
| 2008-07-08 9:32 PM in reply to: #1515073 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Maine Rob - 2008-07-08 3:20 PM So I'm rethinking my swim strategy - in 2006 I started about 1/3rd of the way back and swam just inside the buoys. There was contact, but not all that bad. I was on the shore last year watching the swim start, and there seemed to be a lot more people trying to follow that line, and a lot of beating going on as people tried to get around the dock and get on the line. Plus, looking at the overhead pictures from last years's swim, it looks pretty intense on both sides of the buoy line. So this started me thinking about starting over to the right and taking a diagonal line to the first buoy, which led me to do a little basic math which doesn't seem right to me - assuming that the length of the straight line to the turn buoy is 1000 yards, and I start 50 yards to the right, then the diagonal line is only a little over 1001 yards. Only a yard longer? Can that be right? I know, taper madness is getting to me... I played with little lines in mapmyrun. 50 yards (about .03 miles, about halfway across the lake following the overhanging start line) would probably put you fairly close to the center of the pack. |
| 2008-07-08 9:36 PM in reply to: #1515103 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid LaurenSU02 - 2008-07-08 3:27 PM I stopped doing math after my attempt to figure out just how many meters on average would be between each biker when 2,000 riders are spread out over 56 miles, and what the likelihood is that at any given time I could maybe accidentally be in someone's draft zone. There will be "drafting" in the beginning, no way to avoid it with more than 1000 people leaving the water in a span of 15 minutes (1:07-1:22 ish range). It gets more spread out by the downhill to Keene, and the really gets spread out from there. The officials are more looking for blatant drafting and the like until then. Just don't get a penalty after say Wilmington/Haselton. There is a penalty tent about 1/4 up Papa Bear. Edited by oceanannie 2008-07-08 9:36 PM |
| 2008-07-08 9:38 PM in reply to: #1514623 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid aquinn - 2008-07-08 1:17 PM Ha! My husband owns the Mexican restaurant in Lake Placid. Do you guys serve Chicken Enchiladas with salsa verde? That's my all-time favorite pre-race food |
I'm up for any BT meal there.| 2008-07-09 4:58 AM in reply to: #1516121 |
Master 1557 Maine | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid oceanannie - 2008-07-08 10:36 PM LaurenSU02 - 2008-07-08 3:27 PM I stopped doing math after my attempt to figure out just how many meters on average would be between each biker when 2,000 riders are spread out over 56 miles, and what the likelihood is that at any given time I could maybe accidentally be in someone's draft zone. There will be "drafting" in the beginning, no way to avoid it with more than 1000 people leaving the water in a span of 15 minutes (1:07-1:22 ish range). It gets more spread out by the downhill to Keene, and the really gets spread out from there. The officials are more looking for blatant drafting and the like until then. Just don't get a penalty after say Wilmington/Haselton. There is a penalty tent about 1/4 up Papa Bear. This is definitely true - on the first climbs out of LP, a few miles into the course, people were wheel to wheel and four and five across at some points. |
| 2008-07-09 5:26 AM in reply to: #1038503 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid If I'm not mistaken, I think this was the day last year we actually got to see our bib numbers. I'm guessing I'm around 2000 (I'll have one of the lowest female numbers). |
| 2008-07-09 7:20 AM in reply to: #1038503 |
Veteran 227 Brentwood, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Thanks KathyG, It has been a fun ride! Back to the math. a2+b2 = c2... (1000*1000)+(50+50) = 1,002,500. sqrt of 1,002,500 = 1001.24922. That said, this was GREAT advice! An extra 1.25 meters to avoid the crowds, priceless info! Let's not tell anybody... Drafting. USAT Rule 5.10b drafting. Drafting Zone is 7 meters long by 2 meters wide starting at the leading edge of the front wheel (I paraphrased). So, each ZONE is 22 feet long including the bike. 22 * 2000 = 44,000/5280 ft/mile = 8.33 mile long chain... Not gonna happen. As long as people do not suck up and stick on anothers wheel or ride in a peleton, USAT is pretty fair. I was at a speach and then had a conversation with Charlie Crawford (USAT's head Referee) and he went through their penalty process, they are really fair. For the most part, getting nabbed for drafting has to be pretty blatant. They actually look for reasons not to call people. I HATE PEOPLE WHO DRAFT, so I always "advise" people during the race. Sometimes it makes them mad, but hey, they are cheating based on the little red rule book I have in my hand, so who should be the mad one. Still anxiously waiting for the race numbers, not like it changes anything, just adds to the "realism"... On a plane in 7 days, 4 hours! |
| 2008-07-09 7:30 AM in reply to: #1516716 |
| Champion 6539 South Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid At what miles on the bike are the aid stations? Do we put our helmet and sunglasses and stuff on our bike in T1 or does everything besides the bike and attached nutrition go in our T1 bag? |
| 2008-07-09 7:33 AM in reply to: #1516606 |
| Champion 6539 South Jersey | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Maine Rob - 2008-07-09 5:58 AM oceanannie - 2008-07-08 10:36 PM LaurenSU02 - 2008-07-08 3:27 PM I stopped doing math after my attempt to figure out just how many meters on average would be between each biker when 2,000 riders are spread out over 56 miles, and what the likelihood is that at any given time I could maybe accidentally be in someone's draft zone. There will be "drafting" in the beginning, no way to avoid it with more than 1000 people leaving the water in a span of 15 minutes (1:07-1:22 ish range). It gets more spread out by the downhill to Keene, and the really gets spread out from there. The officials are more looking for blatant drafting and the like until then. Just don't get a penalty after say Wilmington/Haselton. There is a penalty tent about 1/4 up Papa Bear. This is definitely true - on the first climbs out of LP, a few miles into the course, people were wheel to wheel and four and five across at some points. I figured that would be the case, and it's really difficult to drop back after being overtaken on some of those hills. During the Timberman pre-race meeting, the head official said that they understand that leaving the 7 meters is extremely tough on some of the climbs and they will take that into consideration when making drafting calls. I saw draft marshalls pass us on the hills in which most people were within someone else's draft zone and no one was called for it. I figured the same discretion would be used on some hills at LP. |
| 2008-07-09 7:44 AM in reply to: #1516734 |
Master 1557 Maine | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid LaurenSU02 - 2008-07-09 8:30 AM At what miles on the bike are the aid stations? Do we put our helmet and sunglasses and stuff on our bike in T1 or does everything besides the bike and attached nutrition go in our T1 bag? Aid stations are less than every ten miles. I remember the first one was near an inn on the first climbing section out of LP. There was one a few miles after the turn at the bottom of the Keene descent, one on the rolling section along the river before you get to Jay, one at the beginning of the Haselton out and back, one at the turn around of the Haselton out and back, and one near Whiteface. I might be missing one... Everything goes in the T1 bag. |
| 2008-07-09 8:04 AM in reply to: #1038503 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid The bike aid stations were marked with chalk the day before the race. Scott posted a link that had the bike aid stations marked on a map. I figure I won't have drafting issues climbing out of LP as I won't be in the big clump of folks all leaving at the same time. In many races the USAT officials don't really even come by the folks towards the back. This is a pretty exciting time...a year ago I was going through mental stuff of if I should sign up or not. I'm glad I did. I think this IM journey has been incredible on many levels. I've learned a lot about my mind and my body and I think it has stretched me and helped me grow in some unexpected ways. I'm enjoying tapering
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| 2008-07-09 8:08 AM in reply to: #1038503 |
Expert 1195 Shelby Twp | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Wow, lots of math going on here!!! I finally just found this racetalk link. Im slow  Glad to see everyone else is overthinking everything jsut as much as ME! |
| 2008-07-09 8:11 AM in reply to: #1516829 |
Elite 2915 New City, New York | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid I'm not putting more than a few sips of water in my aerobottle at the start. Gonna top it off at the first aid station. It's all about the weight coming out ot T1 |
| 2008-07-09 8:17 AM in reply to: #1515109 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid The problem with so many people at once is it is really hard to get into the rhythm that YOU want and not be stuck with someone else's pace. They will probably not call a drafting penalty unless you are blatantly wheel suckign within inches of the other person. It is easy to see when someone is just in the wrong place at the wrong time and when someone is wheelsucking, even for the less than cycling savvy officials. I just need to keep myself from getting into road racing mode and launching between packs ....... ride within myself and really easy ..... my mantra!!!! |
| 2008-07-09 8:27 AM in reply to: #1038503 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid I just need to control myself at the beginning of the race. I have a tendency to want to race everyone and need to realize that people are going to be streaming by me at the start of the bike. Does anyone know if there will be a lot of people coming out together at the FOP of the swim? Looking at last years results, it looks like people are pretty spread out if you get out of the swim in the 53-55 minute range. Also, the IMLP website says the pros start at 6:45. I heard they started at 6:25 so they will be on their second loop prior to the AG start. Anyone know for sure what time they really start? |
| 2008-07-09 8:29 AM in reply to: #1516892 |
Elite 2915 New City, New York | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Pros start at 6:45 according to the Athlete Guide too. 6:25 doesn't make any sense to me but what do I know? Edited by rollinbones 2008-07-09 8:30 AM |
| 2008-07-09 8:29 AM in reply to: #1516844 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid rollinbones - 2008-07-09 9:11 AM It's all about the weight coming out ot T1 Hence the sub 15 pound bike I'll be riding ...... |
| 2008-07-09 8:29 AM in reply to: #1516122 |
Extreme Veteran 506 Lake Placid, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid oceanannie - 2008-07-08 9:38 PM aquinn - 2008-07-08 1:17 PM Ha! My husband owns the Mexican restaurant in Lake Placid. Do you guys serve Chicken Enchiladas with salsa verde? That's my all-time favorite pre-race food
www.mexiquinn.com Chicken ench with green sauce is on there. There is also tomatillo (green) salsa. |
| 2008-07-09 8:33 AM in reply to: #1516896 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid rollinbones - 2008-07-09 9:29 AM Pros start at 6:45 according to the Athlete Guide too. 6:25 doesn't make any sense to me but what do I know? 6:45 would mean they would have to swim through all the AG. I think 6:25 would allow them to be on there 2nd lap prior to the AG start. My first IM so I have no idea what they do with the Pros. |
| 2008-07-09 8:35 AM in reply to: #1516897 |
Elite 2915 New City, New York | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid Well I've got the ol' aluminum Cervelo Dual. But I'm nixing the bento box, minimizing the water and of course I've got the tubular 909's. Add in the aerohelmet and I'm sure to be one the fastest looking slow guys out there Daremo - 2008-07-09 9:29 AM rollinbones - 2008-07-09 9:11 AM It's all about the weight coming out ot T1 Hence the sub 15 pound bike I'll be riding ...... |
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