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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() D-Smoke - 2010-08-29 8:19 AM Turn your back on this thread and you will have several pages to catch up on. Anyone know the record for number of race thread pages? Whatever it is I think we can break it. I checked the 2010 IM CDA thread and we are about three months ahead. I just came off the IMLP 2010 official thread, and the bar is high (over 200 pages I believe). |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I may also emphasize a point to many of the first time IM BT folks that its not volume in and of itself that is of most importance. All one needs to do is to go track the IM training boards to learn that quality is very important too. We don't need the MOST pages but the BEST pages haha. I also have a great warmup HIM to do before IMCDA: Rev3 Knoxville which I believe is May 16. Edited by phatknot 2010-08-29 8:23 AM |
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![]() | ![]() JoshKaptur - 2010-08-29 8:56 AM "I just came off the IMLP 2010 official thread, and the bar is high (over 200 pages I believe)." I checked IM LP and see it at 241 pages. That is impressive. Makes you wonder sometimes if people should post less and train more. Maybe we should go with the quality approach. I am not sure I would have time to read that many post and train. Edited by D-Smoke 2010-08-29 8:40 AM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Maybe we need more useless posts like the one I just did, that will get us there ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm such a terrible runner I can't see doing a marathon before CDA but I am planning to try and do a half marathon every couple of months before CDA to force me to be consistent. I've been an Endurance Nation member for the past couple of years and really like their philosophy of upping the intensity and backing off the volume in order to keep a better training/family/work balance. I'm debating to remain a member still or not now that I know the principals and what parts work for me and what don't. I do my bike workouts by power and really recommend their plans for power athletes. I struggle with the run workouts as when I travel for work (often) the speed work seems to be the first to be forgotten. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PGoldberger - 2010-08-29 6:31 PM I'm such a terrible runner I can't see doing a marathon before CDA but I am planning to try and do a half marathon every couple of months before CDA to force me to be consistent. I've been an Endurance Nation member for the past couple of years and really like their philosophy of upping the intensity and backing off the volume in order to keep a better training/family/work balance. I'm debating to remain a member still or not now that I know the principals and what parts work for me and what don't. I do my bike workouts by power and really recommend their plans for power athletes. I struggle with the run workouts as when I travel for work (often) the speed work seems to be the first to be forgotten. I've flirted with doing the Endurance Nation thing before. Did you like having to do certain workouts on certain days to keep with the group? I looked it over and it seemed like the days didn't mesh the greatest with my schedule and I would have ended up changing the whole week layout. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The schedule seemed to work out for me as they had it laid out. The hardest switch was changing the long run from Sunday to Thursday but once I did I really liked it. I didn't really get involved in the "group workout" posts they had going unless I had a question about the actual workout. Although the scedule worked for me their were plenty of people who switched days but still posted on the "Tuesday Workout" thread. During the "Off Season" generally it is is Mon off, Tues 1 HR trainer session, Weds 1 HR run, Thurs 1 HR trainer, Fri off, Sat 1 HR trainer (or 2.5 HR outside)/:15-:45 run (brick), Sun 1 HR run. During the 12 Week race prep it switches to Mon 1 HR swim, Tues 1 Hr trainer/:30 run (brick), Weds 1HR run/:45 swim, Thurs long run (up to 2:30), Fri 1-1:15 Swim, Sat Long bike, Sun 2-3 HR bike. The hours vary some.... By moving the long run to Thursday morning you get to ride outside long 2 days/wk since you can run easier in the dark than bike so you get off the trainer an extra day/wk when you are starting to get sick of it. I do my weekday workouts early in the AM anyway so it wasn't too much of a change for me. It's pretty cool to get to work and see everyone still sleepy and know you run a half marathon plus already. I really do think they have a great program at EN. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() do most people follow a riding schedule through the winter, or hop onto Jorge's winter cycling program or other? Getting in miles on the bike is the most difficult for me - I tend to lean towards running when the weather sucks, and have not been able to get many trainer miles the last couple winters. this year, i need to keep riding all winter! |
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New user![]() ![]() | ![]() Hi all! New to BT and am signed up for CDA 2011 as my first Ironman - YIKES! Loved reading the thread from last year and am looking forward to being a part of it this year. Everyone I talk to about CDA says they're afraid to do it because of the bike course. So how bad is it really?? Stupid move to try it for my first one?? Thanks! |
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New user![]() ![]() | ![]() tribean - just saw you're from CO too. There's a spring tri called Littlefoot in mid-may close to Denver. I think I'm going to do it as a fun race prep event. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I live in Ga so its easier to ride in the winter even when its very cold for us. THat helps with winter training. I also am a fan of the trainer and treadmill which most folks aren't. I keep my coach year round. That helps with winter workouts. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ki0722 - 2010-08-30 3:27 PM Hi all! New to BT and am signed up for CDA 2011 as my first Ironman - YIKES! Loved reading the thread from last year and am looking forward to being a part of it this year. Everyone I talk to about CDA says they're afraid to do it because of the bike course. So how bad is it really?? Stupid move to try it for my first one?? Thanks! First, welcome to BT and the IMCDA thread. Yes there are hills on the IMCDA course. I do not think it is the hardest IM course around but it is not easy either. I think that anyone who hits the starting line trained, rested, and mentally ready to finish will do ok. Train safe and enjoy the ride. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ki0722 - 2010-08-30 3:27 PM Hi all! New to BT and am signed up for CDA 2011 as my first Ironman - YIKES! Loved reading the thread from last year and am looking forward to being a part of it this year. Everyone I talk to about CDA says they're afraid to do it because of the bike course. So how bad is it really?? Stupid move to try it for my first one?? Thanks! double post. Edited by T in Liberty Lake 2010-08-30 6:03 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() D-Smoke - 2010-08-29 9:40 AM JoshKaptur - 2010-08-29 8:56 AM "I just came off the IMLP 2010 official thread, and the bar is high (over 200 pages I believe)." I checked IM LP and see it at 241 pages. That is impressive. Makes you wonder sometimes if people should post less and train more. Maybe we should go with the quality approach. I am not sure I would have time to read that many post and train. Careful there mister... there were a lot of fasties at IMLP this year in the "official thread" at BT. Lots of 10:XXs and a few KQs. It was all about the training talk, keeping everybody motivated, and of course tons of people trash talking and displaying their antics which meant we were all one big family by the time we arrived at the race. I can already see this thread going that way... lots of divergent opinions on training philosophies, etc. Should make for some robust discussion (warning, I'm very opinionated). Edited by JoshKaptur 2010-08-30 8:03 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() And now for some of those opinions: 1) Endurance Nation. Love their bike/swim training philosophy, not a fan at all of trying it for the run. Too much risk for injury in that discipline if you substitute intensity for volume. I trained for IMLP last year just like an EN athlete for bike/swim (I actually swam less then they prescribe, which cost me on race day) but nothing like them on the run (I put in huge volume but super slow miles in the offseason and during the pre-race builds)... and had a fantastic result. 2) All ironman races are hard. In terms of hills, I think it goes St. George>Lake Placeid>CdA>Wisconsin>Arizona>Cozumel/Florida. But it is a mistake to think that a hillier course is a harder course. How hard a course is is 100% a factor of how hard you push on race day. Lots of people do the death march marathon at IMFL because thier bike pacing was off. And lots of people run the whole marathon at Lake Placid because they nailed their bike pacing. There is no reason not to do CdA as your first IM... just train for a hilly bike and then pace according to your fitness on race day and you'll be fine. 3) There's nothing better you can do for yourself than show up to your early spring build training cycles with solid SBR fitness. For most of us we can't ride outside through the winter. So get on the trainer/rollers and hammer out some hard/short tempo/VO2max sessions. If you can tolerate riding for an entire movie on the weekends, + do 2-3 short/hard rides during the week, you'll be in fantastic cycling shape when you start riding outside in the spring. Likewise for the run, which I personally think is the easiest thing to train for in the winter... you'll be in a much better position if you don't need to double your mileage in December January and February is not much less than your mileage in March April and May. Bottom line - for a June Ironman, your "off season" should be over by New Years Day IMHO. Edited by JoshKaptur 2010-08-30 8:02 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ^^^ Great info Josh, especially #3. I totally agree. It's better to get to the "plan start" with some base and not starting to build your base. I'm still trying to determine what I want to do plan wise, and am looking at building my own based on some of the other plans and what worked for IMAZ last year (with lots of hills thrown into it). This year has been a "fun" race year with lots of life changes (job changes, moves, starting grad school, etc.), but I've also seen how some things, like recovering from long runs has gotten easier for my body. So, I'm looking forward to figuring out the "plan" and hopefully I figure that out soon! I am glad to see so much activity over here already though!! I lurked in the IMLP '10 thread and while there was definitely a nice amount of smack talk, there was a lot of good info and a lot of camaraderie that I think translated over on race day. I'd love to see us build that too! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A few thoughts to add: I did CDA as my 1st IM and it was the first year of the new bike course. Yes it's hilly but it's also crazy beautiful and as I learned by living somewhat locally and being able to pre-ride the course, your bike handling skills or lack thereof can make a difference in CDA. I focused on shifting, cornering and descending and was super glad I did. I'm a fan of the training philosophy that the later fall Pre-IM is the time to maintain fitness but give yourself a training/racing break. IM training is tough no matter how good of a planner you are so I put money in the bank at work and at home in the fall while enjoying time with friends and family. Come January I did the first month of the BT Beginner IM plan before the 20 week plan officially started in February. It worked awesome for me because by then I was hungry to get to training but I felt refreshed and wasn't dreading the start of training. Everyone has different tactics, the nice thing about this group is that we can offer our thoughts and you can choose which one might suit you best ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ki0722 - 2010-08-30 3:37 PM tribean - just saw you're from CO too. There's a spring tri called Littlefoot in mid-may close to Denver. I think I'm going to do it as a fun race prep event. Is “Little foot Triathlon” a Sprint or Olympic.? I would guess a Sprint. The AF Academy does a Sprint normally at the beginning of May. It appears most of races in CO for May are Sprints. I think I’ll just do a couple of Sprints for May for good intensity workouts, plus Sprints are easy on the body and are a blast to do. And welcome to BT and IMCDA crew. Edited by tribean 2010-08-31 4:16 AM |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ki0722 - 2010-08-30 3:27 PM Hi all! New to BT and am signed up for CDA 2011 as my first Ironman - YIKES! Loved reading the thread from last year and am looking forward to being a part of it this year. Everyone I talk to about CDA says they're afraid to do it because of the bike course. So how bad is it really?? Stupid move to try it for my first one?? Thanks! Don’t worry you’ll be fine. Some advantages to take into account. One is we are at least 3,000 ft higher or even more depending on where you live. Second we have the Rockies to ride and can find routes that are much tougher than IMCDAs. Granted there is no such thing as an easy IRONMAN distance but at least we have the advantage of elevation and tougher terrain to prepare us for IMCDA. “Train High...Race Low” Edited by tribean 2010-08-31 4:59 AM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So this past weekend I raced in Ironman Kentucky, and it was incredible. For those of you who will be racing CdA as your first IM, it is quite an experience and the finish line is worth every hard workout and painful step. I look forward to the journey with each one of you as we make our way to the CdA finish line, because the race started the moment your signed up. Goals for CdA 2011 Swim: sub 1:00 Bike: 5:45-6:00 Run: 3:45-4:00 |
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New user![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for all of the encouragement and great advice!!! Some great thoughts out there. Yep, Littlefoot is a sprint. I looked for an olympic and haven't found one. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 15step - 2010-08-31 6:50 AM So this past weekend I raced in Ironman Kentucky, and it was incredible. For those of you who will be racing CdA as your first IM, it is quite an experience and the finish line is worth every hard workout and painful step. I look forward to the journey with each one of you as we make our way to the CdA finish line, because the race started the moment your signed up. Goals for CdA 2011 Swim: sub 1:00 Bike: 5:45-6:00 Run: 3:45-4:00
Congrats on your IM KY finish! I like that you're just putting your goals out there. I'll have to give that some thought as we head toward the training. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lmscozz - 2010-08-31 3:58 PM 15step - 2010-08-31 6:50 AM So this past weekend I raced in Ironman Kentucky, and it was incredible. For those of you who will be racing CdA as your first IM, it is quite an experience and the finish line is worth every hard workout and painful step. I look forward to the journey with each one of you as we make our way to the CdA finish line, because the race started the moment your signed up. Goals for CdA 2011 Swim: sub 1:00 Bike: 5:45-6:00 Run: 3:45-4:00
Congrats on your IM KY finish! I like that you're just putting your goals out there. I'll have to give that some thought as we head toward the training. x2, impressive race in that heat on Sunday. I did IM Lou last year but we had perfect temps. And as far as finish lines, KY is tough to beat coming down 4th st live |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 15step - 2010-08-31 8:50 AM So this past weekend I raced in Ironman Kentucky, and it was incredible. For those of you who will be racing CdA as your first IM, it is quite an experience and the finish line is worth every hard workout and painful step. I look forward to the journey with each one of you as we make our way to the CdA finish line, because the race started the moment your signed up. Goals for CdA 2011 Swim: sub 1:00 Bike: 5:45-6:00 Run: 3:45-4:00 Congrats on IMKY. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 15step - 2010-08-31 6:50 AM So this past weekend I raced in Ironman Kentucky, and it was incredible. For those of you who will be racing CdA as your first IM, it is quite an experience and the finish line is worth every hard workout and painful step. I look forward to the journey with each one of you as we make our way to the CdA finish line, because the race started the moment your signed up. Goals for CdA 2011 Swim: sub 1:00 Bike: 5:45-6:00 Run: 3:45-4:00 Way to go! I heard it was like swimming in a hot tub then running in a blast furnace! You are a rock star! |
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