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2012-05-23 8:21 AM
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Jorgito22 - 2012-05-22 8:45 PMthings are going good on my end, I only missed 2 workouts but no biggie, Ive added two 45 minute weight training sessions on MOnday and Wednesday. I was doing hills on thursdays...but wanted to stick to the plan so gonna keep it light.....anyone else think the swimming is light at this stage? So what are we using for nutrition on the bike.... 
That was my biggest hang up I had with the Fi k plan-swimming. I thought it was light throughout the whole program. Plus I thought the swim workouts themselves were over simplified and boring.

 

I don't use the swim workouts in the Fink book.  I do swim the number of times he has on the plan and for around an hour, but I use workouts from my swim workout binder that I ordered off Amazon.



2012-05-23 9:12 AM
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Yea I used the BT Beginner IM program last year and I felt the swim session were alot harder at this stage, but it might be bc last year was my first year in the IM game......I guess Ill find out come november...ha
2012-05-23 10:43 AM
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I agree the Fink plan swim workouts seem light, I subst masters swim on the days the fink plan called for swims plus added an open water distance swim on Sundays.  Don't know where I'm going to swim for distance in October......  I'll cross that pond when I get there.
2012-05-23 12:14 PM
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I've never looked at a Fink plan but from what I've gathered by forum posts and tread topics I'm not sure why so many people are using them.  There seem to be so many people with questions or confusion about the plans and a large group of people saying they alter the plan.  Why not just find one that makes sense that you can follow without worry? (and that's just an open rhetorical question that I've asked myself, not one pointed at anyone here using a fink plan)
2012-05-23 12:19 PM
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I've got a 130 mile ride saturday followed by an hour run.  Sunday is a 18 mile negative split run.....lol but thats because i'm in my last two weeks of training for CDA before the taper begins.  I know you all are excited about ramping up, but i'm excited about ramping down.  I'm getting a little tired of the 110+ mile rides at this point.  I will take July and 1/2 of august as recovery and maintence before i start ramping back up for AZ.  Hope everyone has a great training week!
2012-05-23 12:50 PM
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How many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?


2012-05-23 1:12 PM
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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-23 12:50 PM How many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?

I did one (1) each month June through October for last year's race (my first full IM distance).  That was aimed at a 13hr finish time goal.  This year my plan is to double that, as I am moving my target finish time up to about 11:40.

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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-23 12:50 PMHow many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?
I'll have done 8 for CDA.
2012-05-23 1:17 PM
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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-23 12:50 PM How many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?

 

I'd have to go back and look to be sure.  I did IMFL in 10 and I think I did 3 century rides or longer that year.  Once was in April before IM training even started, so I don't count that in IM prep.  I know I did an organized century in July and then I did a full aqua bike in September.  Other than that, I just followed the plan (Be Iron Fit) and rode the time that was on the schedule each week.

2012-05-24 3:31 PM
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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-23 12:50 PM How many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?

Last year, for IMFL 2011, I did 6, some sanctioned rides, some on my own. This year, by the time we get to IMAZ weekend I will have done 10 - I am involved in a 121212 challenge with my TNT cycling teammates... 12 centuries in 2012, one in each of the 12 months. IMAZ will be #11.

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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-23 12:50 PM How many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?

Last year, for IMFL 2011, I did 6, some sanctioned rides, some on my own. This year, by the time we get to IMAZ weekend I will have done 10 - I am involved in a 121212 challenge with my TNT cycling teammates... 12 centuries in 2012, one in each of the 12 months. IMAZ will be #11.



How fun, what a great challenge!


2012-05-25 9:06 PM
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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-23 12:50 PM How many 100+ mile rides have you, or anyone here, done in prep for your IM?

My longest ride getting ready for IMTX was 90 miles last year and I finished the IMTX ride in 5:15.  I really dislike riding for 100+ miles so I mostly did 80-90 mile rides at a much higher power output than I would do for the 112 mile IM ride.  For example: I wanted to average around 200 watts at IMTX last year so most of my training rides were 80-90 miles at 225 watts.  If I can average 225 watts for 80-90 miles than riding 112 miles at 200 watts seemed like a walk in the park.  The IM I did the year before I did two 100+ rides in training.

2012-05-26 8:17 AM
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I'm hoping to get in at least 3 100+ mile rides this summer/fall in prep for AZ.  But I'm a little anxious as I read this, my longest ride to date is about 60 miles.  Should I be worried that I won't have time to make it up to 3 100+ mile rides?  How much recovery time do you typically need after riding that distance?  I'm figuring if I add 10 miles/week to my rides I'll have no problem getting up to the distance with plenty of time to spare, is that not accurate?
2012-05-26 10:39 AM
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Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-26 8:17 AM I'm hoping to get in at least 3 100+ mile rides this summer/fall in prep for AZ.  But I'm a little anxious as I read this, my longest ride to date is about 60 miles.  Should I be worried that I won't have time to make it up to 3 100+ mile rides?  How much recovery time do you typically need after riding that distance?  I'm figuring if I add 10 miles/week to my rides I'll have no problem getting up to the distance with plenty of time to spare, is that not accurate?

 

1. I wouldn't get too worked up about this now.  You have about 6 months to get ramped up.  That final 8-12 weeks is what really matters.  A 100 mile ride now basically means nothing for a race in 6 months.

2. Sounds like you're a good candidate for a structured training plan.  I'm partial to Endurance Nation's plan because I'm on their team but there are several other excellent options.

3. Recovery is really dependent on the person.  How hard you rode for those 100 miles, the temperature outside during the ride, age, base endurance level, body composition, etc. all factor into it.  I either take the day off following my long Sunday ride or just do a swim.  You're never truly "recovered" as you're constantly training.  That's part of the endurance building.  The two or three weeks of taper prior to the event are when you really recover.

4. Adding 10 miles/week sounds like a decent way to build your base from 60 miles up to 100-110. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't fixate on that now.  Starting to ride 100 miles this far out will more than likely lead to burnout... unless you're one of those crazy people that just likes riding that far and long. Cool  I won't start training for IMAZ until mid-August (12 weeks out).



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2012-05-29 3:26 PM
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GMAN 19030 - 2012-05-26 10:39 AM

Climbinggonzo - 2012-05-26 8:17 AM I'm hoping to get in at least 3 100+ mile rides this summer/fall in prep for AZ.  But I'm a little anxious as I read this, my longest ride to date is about 60 miles.  Should I be worried that I won't have time to make it up to 3 100+ mile rides?  How much recovery time do you typically need after riding that distance?  I'm figuring if I add 10 miles/week to my rides I'll have no problem getting up to the distance with plenty of time to spare, is that not accurate?

 

1. I wouldn't get too worked up about this now.  You have about 6 months to get ramped up.  That final 8-12 weeks is what really matters.  A 100 mile ride now basically means nothing for a race in 6 months.

2. Sounds like you're a good candidate for a structured training plan.  I'm partial to Endurance Nation's plan because I'm on their team but there are several other excellent options.

3. Recovery is really dependent on the person.  How hard you rode for those 100 miles, the temperature outside during the ride, age, base endurance level, body composition, etc. all factor into it.  I either take the day off following my long Sunday ride or just do a swim.  You're never truly "recovered" as you're constantly training.  That's part of the endurance building.  The two or three weeks of taper prior to the event are when you really recover.

4. Adding 10 miles/week sounds like a decent way to build your base from 60 miles up to 100-110. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't fixate on that now.  Starting to ride 100 miles this far out will more than likely lead to burnout... unless you're one of those crazy people that just likes riding that far and long. Cool  I won't start training for IMAZ until mid-August (12 weeks out).

Who you calling crazy there? Yeah, I have room number 2 at the insane asylum...

2012-05-29 3:42 PM
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Ok so as the weather is getting hot and the humidity is increasing..ugh.....it got me wondering how is the weather in tempe in November normally? Will it be humid? Im just wondering because im trying to figure if I should train more in the heat as oppose to doing a lot of my runs in the early am. 


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Jorgito22 - 2012-05-29 3:42 PM Ok so as the weather is getting hot and the humidity is increasing..ugh.....it got me wondering how is the weather in tempe in November normally? Will it be humid? Im just wondering because im trying to figure if I should train more in the heat as oppose to doing a lot of my runs in the early am. 

It's basically a desert.  I wouldn't be too concerned about humidity.  It will be non-existent.

For example: I live in Cypress, TX (suburb of Houston) and our current temp is exactly the same as Tempe.  Both are 97 degrees right now.  The heat index in Tempe is 92 because it's dry as can be.  The heat index in Cypress is 110 because SE Texas is arguably the most humid place on planet earth. Cool

2012-05-29 6:02 PM
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Jorgito22 - 2012-05-29 1:42 PM Ok so as the weather is getting hot and the humidity is increasing..ugh.....it got me wondering how is the weather in tempe in November normally? Will it be humid? Im just wondering because im trying to figure if I should train more in the heat as oppose to doing a lot of my runs in the early am. 

Yeah, might be hot or rainy, but won't be humid, that's for sure.  Normal weather patter would even be cool to cold once the sun goes down

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ChrisM - 2012-05-29 7:02 PM

Jorgito22 - 2012-05-29 1:42 PM Ok so as the weather is getting hot and the humidity is increasing..ugh.....it got me wondering how is the weather in tempe in November normally? Will it be humid? Im just wondering because im trying to figure if I should train more in the heat as oppose to doing a lot of my runs in the early am. 

Yeah, might be hot or rainy, but won't be humid, that's for sure.  Normal weather patter would even be cool to cold once the sun goes down

 

 

good to know thanks

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Jorgito22 - 2012-05-29 1:42 PM Ok so as the weather is getting hot and the humidity is increasing..ugh.....it got me wondering how is the weather in tempe in November normally? Will it be humid? Im just wondering because im trying to figure if I should train more in the heat as oppose to doing a lot of my runs in the early am. 

Yeah, might be hot or rainy, but won't be humid, that's for sure.  Normal weather patter would even be cool to cold once the sun goes down

 

 

good to know thanks

Last year when I was there to volunteer, it was cold in the morning. I had on a jacket and sweats. Then it warmed up in the afternoon and I was in shorts and a t-shirt. Then as the sun went down I was back to the jacket and sweats.I figure if I can run and ride in the heat and humidity of Texas this summer, then Tempe in November will feel nice.
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24 week plan starts today.  Kicking it off with a rest day.  This Ironman stuff is easy Cool


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I've never understood a plan that starts off with a rest day, i read some where else someone had one that started off with 2 rest days.

How does that work, wouldn't yours really be a 23.857 week plan?

LOL

Maybe they just want you fresh for what's to come.

Wait you didn't pay for a 24 week plan did you, I think you were shorted a day.

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Destroyer - 2012-06-04 10:31 AM 24 week plan starts today.  Kicking it off with a rest day.  This Ironman stuff is easy Cool

Right!  Batting 1000 on meeting your plan goals.

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I had my reasons, but I started with 30 week plan 6 weeks ago to bounce back from some issues.  I'm back, SO, switched it up to my 24 week plan.  Looking at my first few weeks, I'm actually ahead of what they are asking of me.  That's a great feeling - to hit the ground running and all.  Looking forward to this year's race, big time.

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ChrisM - 2012-05-29 4:02 PM

Jorgito22 - 2012-05-29 1:42 PM Ok so as the weather is getting hot and the humidity is increasing..ugh.....it got me wondering how is the weather in tempe in November normally? Will it be humid? Im just wondering because im trying to figure if I should train more in the heat as oppose to doing a lot of my runs in the early am. 

Yeah, might be hot or rainy, but won't be humid, that's for sure.  Normal weather patter would even be cool to cold once the sun goes down

Past performance does not indicate future results...

BUT, it was cold and rainy two years ago when I volunteered.  Miserable in the morning, and I was a catcher at night and had to wear several layers and a cap.

LAST year, it was chilly in the morning (but not too bad).  I even changed outside the tent in T1.  Shivered a bit, but not bad.  I was great on the bike and run.  Even needed to use the sponges on the run to cool down.  Once the sun went down, it did get a bit cooler, but I just avoided soaks.  T-shirt was perfect for the run.

It never hurts to pack some arm warmers or any other slightly warmer clothes just in case, but if the weather is "normal" it will be GREAT racing conditions.

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