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In fairness, I flipped to Fox this morning and those folks had virtually lost their minds.  One "reporter on the scene" actually said, "I believe they were on their way back to engage the police, because this is part of what these terrorists do, engage the police".......then he said, "why do I believe that was going to happen?"...........I half expected that moron to say, "I don't know, I just make this crap up as I go along".   Then they went on and on about the "left" this and the "left" that.....it was ridiculous.

It's still irrational to believe we need to be afraid of Muslims.  We need to fear crazy people.

I was hoping Trump wouldn't win the nomination so that I might have someone a bit less ridiculous to consider voting for. Honestly, after the last election, I was hoping the Republicans would see the light and pick a more socially moderate candidate this time around, rather than appealing to the far right. But now, whether Trump or someone else wins, the Republicans just officially lost my independent vote. Passing a bill to cut funding for contraceptives, cancer, and STD screenings for low income women, when we have about a zillion other problems they could be spending their time on? I'm out. Done. Won't vote for these guys again until they get their heads out of their .

Trump said he is sending all women back to the Garden of Eden for a do-over.  They will be let back in the country on a case by case basis.

Hehe...

Trump is probably the best of them on women's issues, to be fair.

I was feeling a little punchy this morning.

I'll be honest that the social side of things aren't high on my list of concerns, but I've always felt Trumps stance on social issues what his biggest hurdle to get over for the nomination.  Pretty much every candidate running against him is branding him as a Democrat socially, and I don't think there's a more socially liberal person in the pack than Trump.

So, technically the most socially liberal Republican running is the one that's out in front.  Obviously he's not as socially Liberal as Hillary or Sanders, but as far as Republicans go I don't think there's any more Liberal.

I wouldn't trust a report from infowars telling me that rain was wet. 

lol, we have a dilemma now because Foxnews corroborates that this story is indeed false, but it's Foxnews which I know you don't trust either.  So, which bad source do we trust.  lol

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/12/03/neighbor-didnt-report-suspicious-activity-san-bernardino-killers-fear-being-called-racist

I'll take it as correct though, so I stand corrected.  

I've been reading along a bit and have not said much about him but at this point, does anyone think he'll be on the ballot in November?  I had little use for him prior to this, but he just can't seem to stop. He has no filter, and while it started out as refreshing in some ways, it is now too much. This is merely the opinion of one man in Florida, and we do know how voting goes in Florida 

He's been formally in the race for almost 6 months and he apparently can get away with saying almost anything.  I still don't think he'll win the party's nomination, but if he does, then the Republicans deserve to lose the general election.

I am 100% convinced that he never had any intentions of being president. That he threw his name in for the free publicity and maybe a bit for his own personal amusement. He probably figured he could steer the political discourse of the debates to his liking if he was up there attacking the other candidates. And now that he has such a commanding lead with less than 2 months before the primaries begin, he's just going to get more and more outlandish. See just how far he can jerk the American public around before stepping aside.

I was wondering how much PCOJ was blowing up this morning.  lol

The argument that he has no intention of being president is laughable.  He doesn't need any publicity and he's a winner.  How exactly would this self profess "winner" quit the race and then claim that he's a "winner".  Um, that would be a loser.

Anyways, as for his comments.  I don't think the outrage is any more than it was for his illegal immigration comments and building the wall comments.  Ironically virtually everyone on the Republican side is trying to "out tough" Trump on immigration now even though they all lambasted him at the start.

We are at war with radical islam, we didn't start it, but to deny it isn't true is dangerous.  Our current leaders and all the other candidates are too politically correct to even admit it.  Americans want to be safe and they want a leader who wants to keep them safe.  We have proven over and over again that our screening processes are incapable of stopping international terrorism and Trump said that we should shut the door on allowing muslims into our country "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,".
Personally I think he would have been better suited to stop all immigration until we get it figured out, but lets be honest there's only one place the international terrorist threat is coming from and that's from Muslims.  It's not politically correct to say this, but it doesn't make it any less true.

If we were at war with Germany we wouldn't allow german citizens to come to the US, if we were at war with Russia we wouldn't allow Russian citizens to come to the US, so why is it any different when we're at war with radical islam?

All that being said, the polls will certainly play out where they play out but based on his support and where it comes from i don't think this will effect him as much as you guys think it will.  It certainly doesn't effect my support for him.
To go even further I think this was a very calculated political tactic because every single one of his Republican opponents (except Cruz) immediately went out and effectively sided with Obama on immigration.  We're mere days from the second worse terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11 and Obama failed to reassure anyone that he's doing anything. Trump went out and put himself in front as the only candidate who WILL do something.  It doesn't matter if he can legally ban muslims or not, what matters is that he's firmly place himself to the right of every candidate on the war on terrorism and the rest are officially aligned with Obama.  In a political sense, he just Trumped the whole field on the war on Terror in a race where it and the economy are hugely important to the American people.

when we were at war with the soviet union we allowed every single soviet refugee we could find in to the country.......

When did the soviets attack us?

well we fought through proxy wars, that's a war in the same way as your war with radical islam.  its an ideological war. 

FOUL!!!  ~throws flag

That's 10 yards for trying stretch an argument.  Replay second down.

Here's the challenge I see with this type of action. What about the people that are already here? Do we throw them out?  Because the folks in San Bernardino have been here a while.  It's a slippery slope and one that gets steeper each time he opens his mouth.

Slippery for whom?  You act like the electorate has a brain.  His words are resonating with a HUGE segment.  He's flat wrong, but it ought to be a wake up call for this country when a guy speaking those words can get so much support.  The scale is starting to tip.

He now wants to "shut down the Internet" and calls people worried about freedom of speech "foolish".

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-wants-bill-gates-turn-internet-stop-isis-2215683

I think (or probably hope) that the realization of who he is has already begun to create backlash. I know the reported numbers don't support this, but I have to believe that reasonable people will think it through.  And when they do, they may not want to see him on a trip to China to discuss foreign policy in 2019 (or whenever).

McCarthy wasn't running for President. 

Now.....watch Trump soar through this and come out with even higher numbers.  It's the same reason gun sales spike through the roof when there is a mass shooting.

Make no mistake.....I think Trump is a nut....but he knows his audience one hell of a lot better than you do.  This election, if he gets the nod, will polarize this country like never before.....it may be needed.  I'm good with seeing, as a nation, just what we decide we're willing/able to tolerate and what we won't.  So far there is quite a bit of mouth running and not much action.  It'll be interesting to see if people will really vote for the things they are afraid to say out loud......the voting booth gives them that same anonymity.  It'll be fun to watch.