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2017-01-06 8:39 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ponderingfox Oh noooooooo! I just realized I double-booked myself over top of my favorite early season sprint! I signed up for the Flying Pig HM in Cincinnati before they posted the day, and when I check yesterday I realized there was a conflict. Oh well, I might have picked the HM anyway, but it stinks there is a conflict. I love that little race. It's great to see all the locals again after winter hibernation. ACK! So many races, so little time! Is Flyihng Pig a half ironman or a half marathon? Sorry, mis-typed. it's a HM. And I'll be doing that over the sprint. Already have it in the works to get a group of people together for that. |
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2017-01-06 8:39 AM in reply to: abake |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by abake Originally posted by jmkizer Thanks for posting these links, I had no idea there was a bike gallery, twitter site, etc. INFO FOR NEW AND RETURNING MANATEES Most of us use the training log on the site (It's required: "Keeping up your training log here on BT and opening it to other group members is mandatory."). This makes it a lot easier for us to help each other when training questions come up. Here's a few shorts article on training logs: http://running.competitor.com/2013/12/training/why-you-should-keep-... http://www.active.com/triathlon/articles/10-reasons-to-keep-a-train... If you're not going to log or blog or whatever here on BT, please put a link to your training log in your BT Dashboard. And I missed the pet gallery. I'll update and repost in about a week if we get a few new members. |
2017-01-06 8:40 AM in reply to: 0 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by awm007 Originally posted by Rileyvb91 Originally posted by jmkizer To be fair, this was taken in Raleigh with 2 inches of snow Originally posted by brigby1 I guess snow turns us all into a bunch of monkeys! Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by melbo55 Oh my...a combination of being busy at work and a new manatee thread with chatty manatees makes it very, very easy to fall behind and look like a bad manatee... I am currently finishing the last mint that was in a bag that my mom bought me at least 7.5 years ago (she passed away in July 2010), I found it as I was cleaning out a desk drawer at work. It formerly was a 'puffy' mint but completely lacks those qualities now. I don't care, I'm eating it anyway and thankfully so far didn't break a tooth! Yup, I'm a bit of a sentimental sap. Hockey practice tonight and maybe a little snow. OMG! As was mentioned earlier, they are predicting snow for the Raleigh area -- "as much as 6 inches." I stopped by the store today to pick up a few things (not storm related) and the place was cleared out! The lines were a zillion people long. It's not even supposed to start snowing for more that 24-hours! Complain about people not being prepared, complain about too many getting prepared, sheesh! Are you saying that this weekend may be three times worse? So schools will be out for like, a week? Edited to correct math. We are expected to get 5-7 inches of snow. Unless they are wrong. Again. Edited by jmkizer 2017-01-06 8:42 AM |
2017-01-06 8:42 AM in reply to: amd723 |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by ponderingfox Oh noooooooo! I just realized I double-booked myself over top of my favorite early season sprint! I signed up for the Flying Pig HIM in Cincinnati before they posted the day, and when I check yesterday I realized there was a conflict. Oh well, I might have picked the HIM anyway, but it stinks there is a conflict. I love that little race. It's great to see all the locals again after winter hibernation. So, are you doing Flying Pig or the sprint tri? I ran flying pig in 2015 and had a blast. Doing the Flying Pig half. Want to come on up? Should have a pretty good-sized group doing it. |
2017-01-06 8:48 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by awm007 Originally posted by Rileyvb91 Originally posted by jmkizer To be fair, this was taken in Raleigh with 2 inches of snow Originally posted by brigby1 I guess snow turns us all into a bunch of monkeys! Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by melbo55 Oh my...a combination of being busy at work and a new manatee thread with chatty manatees makes it very, very easy to fall behind and look like a bad manatee... I am currently finishing the last mint that was in a bag that my mom bought me at least 7.5 years ago (she passed away in July 2010), I found it as I was cleaning out a desk drawer at work. It formerly was a 'puffy' mint but completely lacks those qualities now. I don't care, I'm eating it anyway and thankfully so far didn't break a tooth! Yup, I'm a bit of a sentimental sap. Hockey practice tonight and maybe a little snow. OMG! As was mentioned earlier, they are predicting snow for the Raleigh area -- "as much as 6 inches." I stopped by the store today to pick up a few things (not storm related) and the place was cleared out! The lines were a zillion people long. It's not even supposed to start snowing for more that 24-hours! Complain about people not being prepared, complain about too many getting prepared, sheesh! That is exactly the reason we are NOT going to Raleigh today. We were headed for the governor's inauguration festivities. I will take Christmas down and ride the trainer instead. The combination of Southerners not knowing how to drive in snow, Yankees who think they know everything about driving in snow, road clearing that just doesn't happen (why spend money when it doesn't happen that often) and the black ice that always happens before snow all added together, make driving in snow in the south just plain stoopid. I had to drive in it all across the state for years when it was awful. Where I live now, I don't even go out to run or walk when it ices/snows. Cars sliding into you on the road is a real possibility (we have no sidewalks). Hope you find some nanners! Driving in snow is one thing. Driving in ice is something else. Driving around people who think that having an SUV makes you a good driver... Also, most of the inauguration stuff was cancelled/postponed. We are expecting bad black ice from this because it's going to be so cold (Northern peeps, feel free to skip ahead). It's expected to be -1F/-18C on Monday morning (totally unheard of here) but back to 60F/15C for a high on Wednesday. |
2017-01-06 9:01 AM in reply to: ponderingfox |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by ponderingfox Oh noooooooo! I just realized I double-booked myself over top of my favorite early season sprint! I signed up for the Flying Pig HIM in Cincinnati before they posted the day, and when I check yesterday I realized there was a conflict. Oh well, I might have picked the HIM anyway, but it stinks there is a conflict. I love that little race. It's great to see all the locals again after winter hibernation. So, are you doing Flying Pig or the sprint tri? I ran flying pig in 2015 and had a blast. Doing the Flying Pig half. Want to come on up? Should have a pretty good-sized group doing it. It is one I'd do again, but I'm on running lock down for the foreseeable future, so I am restraining myself from signing up for anything else! |
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2017-01-06 9:04 AM in reply to: amd723 |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by ponderingfox Oh noooooooo! I just realized I double-booked myself over top of my favorite early season sprint! I signed up for the Flying Pig HIM in Cincinnati before they posted the day, and when I check yesterday I realized there was a conflict. Oh well, I might have picked the HIM anyway, but it stinks there is a conflict. I love that little race. It's great to see all the locals again after winter hibernation. So, are you doing Flying Pig or the sprint tri? I ran flying pig in 2015 and had a blast. Doing the Flying Pig half. Want to come on up? Should have a pretty good-sized group doing it. It is one I'd do again, but I'm on running lock down for the foreseeable future, so I am restraining myself from signing up for anything else! OK. Sorry about the running moratorium! |
2017-01-06 9:05 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by ceilidh Janyne..... talk to me about Lake Logan half. How was it? Well, I've done the Oly there twice and the HIM there twice and I'm heading back for my third HIM this August. So yes, it's good. The good
The bad
I feel like the run isn't too bad. You go on up a slight incline of maybe 1-2% for three-ish miles and come back down the hill, loop around transition, go back up and back down and the second time you loop to the finish on the far side of transition.
The swim starts near the boat house on the right. You go out in the lake and the come back past the dock and go under a bridge (photo taken from bridge - NC215) You get out of the water at this dock. This part is very cold! |
2017-01-06 9:08 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Originally posted by abake Originally posted by jmkizer Thanks for posting these links, I had no idea there was a bike gallery, twitter site, etc. INFO FOR NEW AND RETURNING MANATEES Most of us use the training log on the site (It's required: "Keeping up your training log here on BT and opening it to other group members is mandatory."). This makes it a lot easier for us to help each other when training questions come up. Here's a few shorts article on training logs: http://running.competitor.com/2013/12/training/why-you-should-keep-... http://www.active.com/triathlon/articles/10-reasons-to-keep-a-train... If you're not going to log or blog or whatever here on BT, please put a link to your training log in your BT Dashboard. How does one become a member of the twitter group? I'm titrating my twitter dosage down at the moment, but am still on... work pretty much requires me to be to an extent. Thx M You tell me your twitter name and I add you. Then you are on the twitter list and you can follow the list. |
2017-01-06 9:10 AM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
812 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by Richardsdrr Ref: Trainer Road Group. Apologies, currently accessing on phone so am finding it a bit difficult. When I clicked on the link it took me to my Trainer Road log in page. Once logged in, it then took me to the Manatee team page. I then closed that page down and tried the link again, where it took me to my user account home page. I then had to click teams tab to access the group. Not really helpful if you're not part of the group. Here is a direct link to the page: https://www.trainerroad.com/teams/2477-manatees-of-mayhem but that may act the same way as the previous link. It's a bit difficult to work out what's going on when I'm part of the group :/ You could try searching for "manatees" or "manatees of mayhem".
I will join the group again, am busy at the moment pushing through the post Christmas break rush and getting stock back out to the shops. Will calm down in a bit. Will post Bio next week when I am off. Have a bit of time available when Hannah is in hospital for her operation. Speak soon. That link worked. I'm in. Thanks Darren. |
2017-01-06 9:13 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ceilidh Janyne..... talk to me about Lake Logan half. How was it? Well, I've done the Oly there twice and the HIM there twice and I'm heading back for my third HIM this August. So yes, it's good. The good
The bad
I feel like the run isn't too bad. You go on up a slight incline of maybe 1-2% for three-ish miles and come back down the hill, loop around transition, go back up and back down and the second time you loop to the finish on the far side of transition.
The swim starts near the boat house on the right. You go out in the lake and the come back past the dock and go under a bridge (photo taken from bridge - NC215) You get out of the water at this dock. This part is very cold! This is on my probably will do list as practice for Louisville. Of course, as mentioned above, I'm not signing up for anything until I can run (and bike) again!! |
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2017-01-06 9:32 AM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Expert 4926 Middle River, Maryland | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by Richardsdrr Ref: Trainer Road Group. Apologies, currently accessing on phone so am finding it a bit difficult. When I clicked on the link it took me to my Trainer Road log in page. Once logged in, it then took me to the Manatee team page. I then closed that page down and tried the link again, where it took me to my user account home page. I then had to click teams tab to access the group. Not really helpful if you're not part of the group. Here is a direct link to the page: https://www.trainerroad.com/teams/2477-manatees-of-mayhem but that may act the same way as the previous link. It's a bit difficult to work out what's going on when I'm part of the group :/ You could try searching for "manatees" or "manatees of mayhem".
I will join the group again, am busy at the moment pushing through the post Christmas break rush and getting stock back out to the shops. Will calm down in a bit. Will post Bio next week when I am off. Have a bit of time available when Hannah is in hospital for her operation. Speak soon. I got it working. |
2017-01-06 9:37 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Expert 4926 Middle River, Maryland | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Hot Runner Wow--I will stop griping about Oregonians and snow. Portland and Eugene tend to come to a standstill when there is more than a dusting--schools called off, etc. and nobody seems to know how to drive in it, except people from the eastern part of the state, which has more severe winters. But I haven't seen the panic buying. The saving grace is that there's a big outdoor ethic, so pretty much everyone who's physically capable of it has proper equipment for walking/snowshoeing/ skiing, and it becomes something of a community "leave your car at home" day. We got 4-6 inches on Wednesday (varied with elevation). I had to do some last-minute banking and shopping (walked there) and must have seen hundreds of people out on foot, snowshoe, sleds, and skis, as well as several cars abandoned on the steep hills leading to our house by drivers who were overly optimistic about road conditions or their ability to handle them. Did manage to get to the airport Thursday AM and now back in Tokyo waiting for the last leg of my "World's Longest Commute" back to Saigon. Oh my goodness! WALKING to do errands! Kevin laughs at the people who go to the coffee shop that he frequents and wait in a long drive through line. He parks, walks in, gets his coffee, and is on his way before they even ordered. We are becoming a society like in Wall E
Up until about a year ago, we lived in Baltimore City and I walked to do most of my errands. Our grocery store was a ten minute walk away, the drugstore five minutes, several pubs within five minutes. Other than the rats, crime, obscene property taxes, and lack of parking, it was awesome! Back issues aside, I can definitely tell the different in me from not having all those extra calories burned during my normal lifestyle. |
2017-01-06 9:43 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
812 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Jet Black Originally posted by brigby1 Sunday is LSD day Originally posted by Jet Black Originally posted by johnthecat 28!!!!!!!! #texascold Originally posted by Jet Black It's not going to be that cold! Originally posted by jmkizer Tell me about it. This morning was the first time I've worn a shirt on a run since last Friday. I'm not sure I have enough clothes for what they're predicting here Sunday morning. I'm pretty sure that I am not alone in this but What's with the wacky weather?! Today I ran in short and a short sleeved shirt. This weekend I will need to wear All The Things. The harder you run, the more heat you'll produce! This almost got away. More seriously though, that is cold enough to where you do want to pay attention to things. 40's can be funny as usually so long as you're moving you'll be ok, but that can change quite a bit just a little lower. You going to be ok with it? 30' of 28F just around my neighborhood isn't anything to worry about, but think your long runs are at least several hours now. Quite a bit different. I'm mainly just joking. But when I run with my wife on her long runs in chilly weather I do have to wear a lot more than I normally would as it's more like a walking pace for me now. She's only running 8 Sunday with her marathon a week out at that point, and then I'll tack on another 7 solo but will speed up for those so not worried about temp. I am a bit confused as to what to wear cycling tomorrow. It's supposed to be 26* at the start of our ride and just about above freezing by the time we're done. Sunny & N wind at about 10 mph. I'm guessing the additions I'll want to make will be some hand warmers over the toes of my shoes under the neoprene shoe covers, face mask, and some hand warmers in my gloves. I'll have on a cycling beanie, thick long fingered cycling gloves, long sleeve thermal top, bibs, short sleeve jersey, arm warmers, leg warmers, tightish pants & a cycling vest. Thoughts? |
2017-01-06 9:56 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 14677 | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by amd723 I think I may do the Oly. I will probably never be able to do that bike course. I was thinking of it in lieu of the M2M if I have to bail because of my stoopid nieces wedding. Since I seem to be draw to the number 2, I may look into B2B now that it is a 70.3. I used to hike in that area back in the day. It really is pretty. And a long way to anywhere.Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ceilidh Janyne..... talk to me about Lake Logan half. How was it? Well, I've done the Oly there twice and the HIM there twice and I'm heading back for my third HIM this August. So yes, it's good. The good
The bad
I feel like the run isn't too bad. You go on up a slight incline of maybe 1-2% for three-ish miles and come back down the hill, loop around transition, go back up and back down and the second time you loop to the finish on the far side of transition.
The swim starts near the boat house on the right. You go out in the lake and the come back past the dock and go under a bridge (photo taken from bridge - NC215) You get out of the water at this dock. This part is very cold! This is on my probably will do list as practice for Louisville. Of course, as mentioned above, I'm not signing up for anything until I can run (and bike) again!!
Edited by ceilidh 2017-01-06 9:59 AM |
2017-01-06 10:20 AM in reply to: 0 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by amd723 I think I may do the Oly. I will probably never be able to do that bike course. I was thinking of it in lieu of the M2M if I have to bail because of my stoopid nieces wedding. Since I seem to be draw to the number 2, I may look into B2B now that it is a 70.3. I used to hike in that area back in the day. It really is pretty. And a long way to anywhere.Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ceilidh Janyne..... talk to me about Lake Logan half. How was it? Well, I've done the Oly there twice and the HIM there twice and I'm heading back for my third HIM this August. So yes, it's good. The good
The bad
I feel like the run isn't too bad. You go on up a slight incline of maybe 1-2% for three-ish miles and come back down the hill, loop around transition, go back up and back down and the second time you loop to the finish on the far side of transition.
The swim starts near the boat house on the right. You go out in the lake and the come back past the dock and go under a bridge (photo taken from bridge - NC215) You get out of the water at this dock. This part is very cold! This is on my probably will do list as practice for Louisville. Of course, as mentioned above, I'm not signing up for anything until I can run (and bike) again!!
FWIW, I'm told that overall, the M2M bike is more difficult. ETA: It was a testosterone laden individual who said this to me in Chattanooga so who knows. I think that they both have similar terrain. Edited by jmkizer 2017-01-06 10:21 AM |
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2017-01-06 10:28 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Racing Manatee!!! January 7-8 January 7 is Ben's birthday Welcome to the new Manatees! Welcome back all returning Manatees! |
2017-01-06 10:35 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatee!!! January 7-8 January 7 is Ben's birthday Welcome to the new Manatees! Welcome back all returning Manatees! Enjoy your race Chris. Hope the weather holds out for you. Happy birthday Ben! So speaking of weather and snow... Here is the snow that shut down the Albuquerque metro today (2017 snow.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 2017 snow.jpg (144KB - 4 downloads) |
2017-01-06 10:39 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Champion 14677 | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by amd723 I think I may do the Oly. I will probably never be able to do that bike course. I was thinking of it in lieu of the M2M if I have to bail because of my stoopid nieces wedding. Since I seem to be draw to the number 2, I may look into B2B now that it is a 70.3. I used to hike in that area back in the day. It really is pretty. And a long way to anywhere.Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ceilidh Janyne..... talk to me about Lake Logan half. How was it? Well, I've done the Oly there twice and the HIM there twice and I'm heading back for my third HIM this August. So yes, it's good. The good
The bad
I feel like the run isn't too bad. You go on up a slight incline of maybe 1-2% for three-ish miles and come back down the hill, loop around transition, go back up and back down and the second time you loop to the finish on the far side of transition.
The swim starts near the boat house on the right. You go out in the lake and the come back past the dock and go under a bridge (photo taken from bridge - NC215) You get out of the water at this dock. This part is very cold! This is on my probably will do list as practice for Louisville. Of course, as mentioned above, I'm not signing up for anything until I can run (and bike) again!!
FWIW, I'm told that overall, the M2M bike is more difficult. ETA: It was a testosterone laden individual who said this to me in Chattanooga so who knows. I think that they both have similar terrain. Now I am afraid! |
2017-01-06 10:40 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Champion 14677 | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatee!!! January 7-8 January 7 is Ben's birthday Welcome to the new Manatees! Welcome back all returning Manatees! RIDE Chris, RIDE Happy Birthday tomorrow, Ben. |
2017-01-06 10:56 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
812 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatee!!! January 7-8 January 7 is Ben's birthday Welcome to the new Manatees! Welcome back all returning Manatees! RIDE Chris, RIDE Happy Birthday tomorrow, Ben. x2!! |
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2017-01-06 11:27 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by jmkizer INFO FOR NEW AND RETURNING MANATEES Most of us use the training log on the site (It's required: "Keeping up your training log here on BT and opening it to other group members is mandatory."). This makes it a lot easier for us to help each other when training questions come up. Here's a few shorts article on training logs: http://running.competitor.com/2013/12/training/why-you-should-keep-... http://www.active.com/triathlon/articles/10-reasons-to-keep-a-train... If you're not going to log or blog or whatever here on BT, please put a link to your training log in your BT Dashboard. When Janyne and I were going back and forth about opening the group for this year, Social Media was added as part of the bio. As she mentioned, it is a way to learn more about one another and communicate with one another. OK, really we just stalk! All kidding aside, it is a useful tool and one that can be fun. My use of them has been to follow people and companies that I am interested in, post regularly on some and infrequently on others, and read many things in many forms from many people. And here is today's find, for those that like free stuff and Strava and running: https://www.strava.com/clubs/orangemud https://www.instagram.com/orangemud/ There is a contest on Strava to win gear from Orange Mud. It is simple enough, just join the Strava group. And no, I am not an ambassador or in any way associated with Orange Mud other than owning the HydraQuiver One. |
2017-01-06 11:32 AM in reply to: abake |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by abake Originally posted by jmkizer Thanks for posting these links, I had no idea there was a bike gallery, twitter site, etc. INFO FOR NEW AND RETURNING MANATEES Most of us use the training log on the site (It's required: "Keeping up your training log here on BT and opening it to other group members is mandatory."). This makes it a lot easier for us to help each other when training questions come up. Here's a few shorts article on training logs: http://running.competitor.com/2013/12/training/why-you-should-keep-... http://www.active.com/triathlon/articles/10-reasons-to-keep-a-train... If you're not going to log or blog or whatever here on BT, please put a link to your training log in your BT Dashboard. I just added Karen's bike to the bike album. Send me pix of yours and I'm happy to add them as well. PS, we need more gravel grinders! |
2017-01-06 11:40 AM in reply to: Jet Black |
1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by Jet Black Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatee!!! January 7-8 January 7 is Ben's birthday Welcome to the new Manatees! Welcome back all returning Manatees! RIDE Chris, RIDE Happy Birthday tomorrow, Ben. x2!! Have an awesome ride, Chris! All the best for your birthday, Ben! |
2017-01-06 11:41 AM in reply to: rrrunner |
1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatee!!! January 7-8 January 7 is Ben's birthday Welcome to the new Manatees! Welcome back all returning Manatees! Enjoy your race Chris. Hope the weather holds out for you. Happy birthday Ben! So speaking of weather and snow... Here is the snow that shut down the Albuquerque metro today |
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