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2012-04-12 10:13 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 10:04 AM

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2012-04-12 10:14 AM
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2012-04-12 10:23 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 10:04 AM Lisac957, crushing dreams. Cry 
LOL. I have found the people appreciate the honesty. I just did the back and forth with last night's date. He emailed saying, "hey that was fun, what'd you think?" And I said, "yah it was fun, but um, was it just me or was there really no chemistry at all?" That opened the door for him to say, "Yah, I was thinking the same thing. Your honesty is really refreshing! Well, nice to have met you!" and we both move on feeling fine. Honesty rocks, in my opinion.

^^^^ This.  Lisa, don't think of it as rejecting someone.  How someone else may take it shouldn't ever be a factor for doing what is right for you.   Honesty is always the best way to go.  It can be done with compassion and tact.  Most everyone appreciates an honest answer, assessment, etc ... how they choose to react to it is on them.  And you can walk away knowing that you didn't mislead anyone.  

Thank you all, ladies!! Honesty does indeed rock! No response leaves too much open for speculation. "No thanks" is very clear. 

That said, not all guys will appreciate the honesty. I had women tell me they got nasty-grams from guys they told "no thanks". Go figure...

2012-04-12 10:27 AM
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Birkierunner - 2012-04-12 7:35 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-04-11 11:52 PM

I was busy all day.....and there is no way I'm curious enough, at this point, to even see what was written after last night.....but I have to say I'm surprised that it's still going at page 14.  My oldest daughters are 31 and 27.  I had lunch with them today.  After last night I mentioned this thread and I asked them about internet dating sites just to see how out of touch I am.....they both looked horrified. Laughing 

"happily married" looks as good as ever to me.

Good luck to all of you searching......TRULY!  Make happiness!! (notice I didn't say "find" happiness)

Dude, seriously. People meet each other online all the time. Deal with it. I gotta wonder why a happily married man who has such an awesome relationship with his wife of 20+ years, with whom he has very little in common, is even clicking on a dating thread, let alone why he is so hung up on Internet dating.

Zactly!  Hence my post above asking him what his point was.  If someone wants to pop in on a thread and offer some constructive input on how broadening your selection criteria could be a good thing, then fine...go for it.   Not everyone will agree with you, but thanks for the input.  But why do you feel the need to use your daughter's disgust with online dating sites to verify/affirm/corroborate your own disgust and then go on a dating thread and basically (whether you intended to or not, that was the effect on me - can't speak for anyone else) make people who use those sites feel like there's some type of stigma associated with it?  You're entitled to your opinion but why go on a thread like this and make such comments?....and then wonder why the thread has grown to 14 pages on top of that.  You've described your marriage and tried to make the case for broadening your selection criteria.  I can honestly say that what you've described is not even in the same universe of what I would want for a marriage.  But I haven't criticized or passed judgement on it.  So don't pass judgement on the use of online dating sites in a thread where people are trying to provide advice to others that WANT to use the dating sites.  Get at least a bit of tact will 'ya? 

I didn't take anything he said personally.  To each his own.  He stated why he mentioned it to his daughters - he wanted to see how "out of touch" he was.  

Doesn't bother me a bit that a married man is reading what us single folks are up to on a thread.  In real life - married people set up single people, married friends know what's going on with their friends etc..... I think Left Brain has been around a while and likes to participate in these threads with his "friends".  

I'm cool with him not agreeing about online dating.  I was skeptical at first (and still am)  MuckFatch.com  LOL

2012-04-12 10:28 AM
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seems like it would be a softer blow than "Wow there is no way in h3ll mister" with the No Thanks button.

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Haha!
I know that this is probably the reason for many not doing it, and it is why I didn't respond to some emails at first as well. There have also been women that when I got the email, saw the pictures and read their profile, I wasn't sure how I felt... and just never did anything with it. However, there were a few women that I tried to talk to that - on paper - seemed like a really great match that just never responded and it bugged me that they didn't. From then on, I've made a point to always give some sort of response, even if it is just to click the provided "Tell them 'No Thanks'" link.

For the women's part, I'm sure for many of the more attractive women such as yourself, it may also simply be that they are inundated with emails/winks/whatever and as you've already alluded to, it may just be too much work to address them all. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I don't think that there is a right or wrong with it, per se, but the not responding and "hmm wonder why she didn't respond... moving on" thing takes time. Lots of the women I've seen on there don't check their page regularly, and for the responses I have gotten, it has often taken up to three days to hear from them.... which kinda then sets the expectations out there for that cut-off of "she isn't going to respond, move on". Not a big deal, but disappointing, I guess, especially when I don't like to try talking to many women at one time. I know there's nothing wrong with it, but it just feels disingenuous to me.... so, I end up trying to talk to a few (or one or two) and then waiting, and waiting.
2012-04-12 10:30 AM
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Teejaay - 2012-04-12 11:14 AM

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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 10:04 AM Lisac957, crushing dreams. Cry 
LOL. I have found the people appreciate the honesty. I just did the back and forth with last night's date. He emailed saying, "hey that was fun, what'd you think?" And I said, "yah it was fun, but um, was it just me or was there really no chemistry at all?" That opened the door for him to say, "Yah, I was thinking the same thing. Your honesty is really refreshing! Well, nice to have met you!" and we both move on feeling fine. Honesty rocks, in my opinion.

^^^^ This.  Lisa, don't think of it as rejecting someone.  How someone else may take it shouldn't ever be a factor for doing what is right for you.   Honesty is always the best way to go.  It can be done with compassion and tact.  Most everyone appreciates an honest answer, assessment, etc ... how they choose to react to it is on them.  And you can walk away knowing that you didn't mislead anyone.  



Absolutely!


2012-04-12 10:33 AM
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DeannaS - 2012-04-12 7:44 AM
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My messages are almost always the same.

Subject - Do you prefer Eggs or Bacon? (or something else completely pointless and light, yet not "HAI GURL! U R S3XXE!!"

Message - Hey there

That's it.

If she replies, you can get a bit more in depth. Don't put a ton of work into your first message... see if she is even interested first.

I like this approach, too. I almost always ask a direct (but light) question, or answer one that was alluded to in his profile. I recently sent an email that was an essay on which Muppet is my favorite. (He mentioned that people should message him if they wanted to discuss their favorite Muppet.) And another that said nothing but, "Haunted hotel?!? You know you want to spill the beans - where is it?" Both got responses. I pretty much take the "jump into a conversation" approach. I don't think I have ever sent an email with something generic like, "I like your profile." Nor, do I really ever use a salutation of any sort. And, when I get emails that start with "hello - saw your profile and...", I always shudder slightly.

I am convinced the problem is not my emails - ITS THE LADIES I AM SENDING THEM TO that have the problem.  Here is a sample of the email I have sent - looking for opinions.  

  1. Subject "Well, how's it going so far?"  Email: "Since your friends talked you into it - curious as to your thoughts. Personally, I think online dating is over rated. 

    I am interested in getting to know more about you, if you can get over the fact that I am a die hard Oregon Ducks fan. 

    If you are a WSU fan - does that make you a "cougar"? Sorry, couldn't help it - had to crack that joke. 

    Looking forward to hearing back from you. 

    Chad"
  2. Subject "Hello" Email: "Just read your profile - and see that we have many things in common. 

    I learned to scuba dive last summer. I have about 30 dives under my belt now (all in the Puget Sound). 

    I am a very active person. I am currently training for an Ironman that I will run in August. 

    Looking forward to hearing from you. 

    Chad"
     
     
    What do you think...?  
2012-04-12 10:33 AM
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Have to admit, even though I'm married, I've been reading this thread with interest to get more insight into what my single friends have to deal with.

Having been happily partnered for 14 years, I shudder to think of how I'd handle it if DH died and I decided to get back into the market. This online dating thing sounds grueling/frustrating/annoying/disappointing/a little weird but obviously works for some people. Just crossing my fingers that DH sticks around awhile! Best wishes to all of you looking for The One - hope you find him/her soon.

2012-04-12 10:34 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-04-12 11:23 AM

Teejaay - 2012-04-12 11:14 AM

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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 10:04 AM Lisac957, crushing dreams. Cry 
LOL. I have found the people appreciate the honesty. I just did the back and forth with last night's date. He emailed saying, "hey that was fun, what'd you think?" And I said, "yah it was fun, but um, was it just me or was there really no chemistry at all?" That opened the door for him to say, "Yah, I was thinking the same thing. Your honesty is really refreshing! Well, nice to have met you!" and we both move on feeling fine. Honesty rocks, in my opinion.

^^^^ This.  Lisa, don't think of it as rejecting someone.  How someone else may take it shouldn't ever be a factor for doing what is right for you.   Honesty is always the best way to go.  It can be done with compassion and tact.  Most everyone appreciates an honest answer, assessment, etc ... how they choose to react to it is on them.  And you can walk away knowing that you didn't mislead anyone.  

Thank you all, ladies!! Honesty does indeed rock! No response leaves too much open for speculation. "No thanks" is very clear. 

That said, not all guys will appreciate the honesty. I had women tell me they got nasty-grams from guys they told "no thanks". Go figure...




Yup, and if they're enough of a d-bag to respond poorly to it, you can just block them completely.
Everyone's there for the same thing and to find it as easily as possible... Honesty rocks and makes life easier for all.
2012-04-12 10:38 AM
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laffinrock - 2012-04-12 8:33 AM

Have to admit, even though I'm married, I've been reading this thread with interest to get more insight into what my single friends have to deal with.

Having been happily partnered for 14 years, I shudder to think of how I'd handle it if DH died and I decided to get back into the market. This online dating thing sounds grueling/frustrating/annoying/disappointing/a little weird but obviously works for some people. Just crossing my fingers that DH sticks around awhile! Best wishes to all of you looking for The One - hope you find him/her soon.

You hit the nail on the head. 

2012-04-12 10:42 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 1:10 AM

I actually wrote a couple of emails following the "advice" of that link specifically.  (Although I wasn't really doing anything wrong other than saying "Hello" LMAO.)

I sent out 8 emails yesterday (Only 1 had the word "Hello" in the subject) - According to match.com - 5 of them were read and I got zero responses.  

This is after changing my profile according to Lisa's advice. 

 

dating in general, and especially internet dating, is a numbers game. Anybody who tells you otherwise is lying I had a friend in college who was a "dating coach." Besides pushing the men that paid him to say "hi/whatever" to people, basically they gave him hundreds of dollars to tell them "it's a numbers game."

That said, don't give up There's no secret to it, despite what internet articles would have you believe.

Dude - going on months now, literally hundreds of ladies have viewed my profile - I have changed it several time - I have email probably 100 total...even got a response to a couple that were interested, and then when I would suggest a date - they bailed!  I was like WTF?  

I have been told from female running buddies that I am a good looking man, that I am nice blah, blah, blah.  Not sure what the F it is.  Maybe I am on some blacklist somewhere....although it wouldn't be from being a playa, since I have only been on one date in the last 1 1/2 years!  That's why I thought I would try Match to begin with.  

It's a good thing I don't have low self esteem.  

 



2012-04-12 10:44 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:33 AM

I am convinced the problem is not my emails - ITS THE LADIES I AM SENDING THEM TO that have the problem.



Um...sorry. It's your emails. (I did just say we're all about honesty here, right?)

Things that would turn me off:
1. Reference to cougar. I don't care how funny you think it is. It isn't.
2. Dissing online dating. (Um, you're doing it. Don't dis it.)
3. Asking how the online dating is going as an opening salvo. That might work in an IM - and it has with me. But, in an email? Shows no personality.
4. "Just read your profile - and see that we have many things in common. " So generic. I want to see that someone actually read my profile.
5. Focusing on "I" stuff - I'm training. I learned. Yes, share those things, but try to do it in a more creative way.

Without seeing your profile, or the ones you're responding to, let me take a crack at an email that might get you more response (going off the second sample).

Short and sweet version
Subject: Dive!
Email: I'm 30 dives in and counting. You?

Longer version (which might be a stretch for me, not knowing diddly about diving)
Subject: Dive!
Email: I decided I needed to learn to dive when my friends kept threatening to toss me over the side of the boat. 30 dives later, I'm hooked. The intense quiet and beauty of the underwater world leaves me awestruck. Favorite dive ever was off the coast of the Riveria Maya. Warm, tropical waters, beautiful coral, and a cascade of fish. Heaven.

What's your favorite dive location?
2012-04-12 10:47 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:33 AM 

I am convinced the problem is not my emails - ITS THE LADIES I AM SENDING THEM TO that have the problem.  Here is a sample of the email I have sent - looking for opinions.  

  1. Subject "Well, how's it going so far?"  Email: "Since your friends talked you into it - curious as to your thoughts. Personally, I think online dating is over rated. 

    I am interested in getting to know more about you, if you can get over the fact that I am a die hard Oregon Ducks fan. 

    If you are a WSU fan - does that make you a "cougar"? Sorry, couldn't help it - had to crack that joke. 

    Looking forward to hearing back from you. 

    Chad"
  2. Subject "Hello" Email: "Just read your profile - and see that we have many things in common. 

    I learned to scuba dive last summer. I have about 30 dives under my belt now (all in the Puget Sound). 

    I am a very active person. I am currently training for an Ironman that I will run in August. 

    Looking forward to hearing from you. 

    Chad"
     
     
    What do you think...?  

1st one is allright (if she is not the offensive type, 2nd one is not.

1st one is funny, has a question (kinda), etc. Could use more, but not terrible.

2nd email is all about you.I do this, I do that. No call for action. I get more responses if I ask a question or two in the email for them to respond to. For example, ask what her favorite dive has been so far, where she would like to dive next, or if she's ever been to XYZ dive spot because you need tips for your next one... etc. Just saying 'Hey I dive too, I've done over 30' is a little self centered IMO.



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2012-04-12 10:51 AM
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Wow, IMO you guys are reading way to into the emails. 

Exchange words and meet in person, chemistry will trump words everytime! 

2012-04-12 10:51 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:42 AM 

Dude - going on months now, literally hundreds of ladies have viewed my profile

I just checked mine... viewed 4,706 times. Embarassed
Sorry. Tongue out

Agreeing with Deena after reading her post - drastic changes needed to your emails.

2012-04-12 10:54 AM
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DeannaS - 2012-04-12 8:44 AM
Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:33 AM

I am convinced the problem is not my emails - ITS THE LADIES I AM SENDING THEM TO that have the problem.

Um...sorry. It's your emails. (I did just say we're all about honesty here, right?) Things that would turn me off: 1. Reference to cougar. I don't care how funny you think it is. It isn't. 2. Dissing online dating. (Um, you're doing it. Don't dis it.) 3. Asking how the online dating is going as an opening salvo. That might work in an IM - and it has with me. But, in an email? Shows no personality. 4. "Just read your profile - and see that we have many things in common. " So generic. I want to see that someone actually read my profile. 5. Focusing on "I" stuff - I'm training. I learned. Yes, share those things, but try to do it in a more creative way. Without seeing your profile, or the ones you're responding to, let me take a crack at an email that might get you more response (going off the second sample). Short and sweet version Subject: Dive! Email: I'm 30 dives in and counting. You? Longer version (which might be a stretch for me, not knowing diddly about diving) Subject: Dive! Email: I decided I needed to learn to dive when my friends kept threatening to toss me over the side of the boat. 30 dives later, I'm hooked. The intense quiet and beauty of the underwater world leaves me awestruck. Favorite dive ever was off the coast of the Riveria Maya. Warm, tropical waters, beautiful coral, and a cascade of fish. Heaven. What's your favorite dive location?

Love the honesty.  Just so you know - She said in her profile that she is a DIE HARD Washington State Fan.... the mascot for Washington State is the Cougars...

Agree on Dissing the online dating...that was stupid!  LOL

Asking how the dating is going is because she was very skeptical and her friends forced her to do it......so I asked how's it going so far...

Agree about the generic sound of "just read your profile...." not to mention it's obvious I did, or I wouldn't be emailing her.  

The "I stuff" - Agreed...

I am of the conclusion that online dating sucks!  I am very well spoken, and in person when talking with women, my honesty and directness is always appreciated.  Things don't come out the same in an email.  

Oh well - 



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NRG42 - 2012-04-12 10:51 AM

Wow, IMO you guys are reading way to into the emails. 

Exchange words and meet in person, chemistry will trump words everytime! 

The way a person communicates tells me a lot about them. In my experience, the way they communicate online often mirrors how they communicate in real life.

I'm willing to give a bad communicator a chance if I'm physically attracted to them and think there might be chemistry, but if not... bad communication is often a non-starter for me.

2012-04-12 10:57 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 8:47 AM
Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:33 AM 

I am convinced the problem is not my emails - ITS THE LADIES I AM SENDING THEM TO that have the problem.  Here is a sample of the email I have sent - looking for opinions.  

  1. Subject "Well, how's it going so far?"  Email: "Since your friends talked you into it - curious as to your thoughts. Personally, I think online dating is over rated. 

    I am interested in getting to know more about you, if you can get over the fact that I am a die hard Oregon Ducks fan. 

    If you are a WSU fan - does that make you a "cougar"? Sorry, couldn't help it - had to crack that joke. 

    Looking forward to hearing back from you. 

    Chad"
  2. Subject "Hello" Email: "Just read your profile - and see that we have many things in common. 

    I learned to scuba dive last summer. I have about 30 dives under my belt now (all in the Puget Sound). 

    I am a very active person. I am currently training for an Ironman that I will run in August. 

    Looking forward to hearing from you. 

    Chad"
     
     
    What do you think...?  

1st one is allright (if she is not the offensive type, 2nd one is not.

1st one is funny, has a question (kinda), etc. Could use more, but not terrible.

2nd email is all about you.I do this, I do that. No call for action. I get more responses if I ask a question or two in the email for them to respond to. For example, ask what her favorite dive has been so far, where she would like to dive next, or if she's ever been to XYZ dive spot because you need tips for your next one... etc. Just saying 'Hey I dive too, I've done over 30' is a little self centered IMO.

Nice to hear your opinion.  Weird how I come across in emails...I am not a self centered person, but I guess I can see your point.  

FYI - I usually put in something about training for an Ironman - or being active because they specifically mentioned that they wanted someone that was active..... hence the reason I say "I'm active - then tell them how I am active" not meant to be self centered at all.  

I don't put that in all the emails.  

2012-04-12 11:01 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 8:56 AM
NRG42 - 2012-04-12 10:51 AM

Wow, IMO you guys are reading way to into the emails. 

Exchange words and meet in person, chemistry will trump words everytime! 

The way a person communicates tells me a lot about them. In my experience, the way they communicate online often mirrors how they communicate in real life.

I'm willing to give a bad communicator a chance if I'm physically attracted to them and think there might be chemistry, but if not... bad communication is often a non-starter for me.

Ouch - that was rough.  I am indeed a very straight forward person, and I come across gruff to some.  Those that know me, know that I am a very kind person, and I am definitely not self centered.  I do talk a lot - something I have worked on over the years....but in person, I ask questions and then listen for the answers.  

I like all your suggestions - and the brutal honesty.  

Now I'm off to find me a counselor.  

2012-04-12 11:01 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-04-12 10:56 AM

NRG42 - 2012-04-12 10:51 AM

Wow, IMO you guys are reading way to into the emails. 

Exchange words and meet in person, chemistry will trump words everytime! 

The way a person communicates tells me a lot about them. In my experience, the way they communicate online often mirrors how they communicate in real life.

I'm willing to give a bad communicator a chance if I'm physically attracted to them and think there might be chemistry, but if not... bad communication is often a non-starter for me.



Same here.

It goes the other way, too. A literate man is always going to have more of a chance with me. If I would have gone on looks alone, the guy that I last dated never would have gotten a second look. But, by the time I'd met him, I felt like I knew him well from all the emails we had exchanged, and there was a surprising amount of chemistry. Had I met him without having developed a "relationship of words" with him first, I doubt that chemistry would have been there.
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Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:54 AM

I am of the conclusion that online dating sucks!  I am very well spoken, and in person when talking with women, my honesty and directness is always appreciated.  Things don't come out the same in an email.  

Oh well - 

never mind this online stuff...what happened with the spin instructor??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LOL



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2012-04-12 11:04 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2012-04-12 10:54 AM

I am of the conclusion that online dating sucks!  I am very well spoken, and in person when talking with women, my honesty and directness is always appreciated.  Things don't come out the same in an email.  

Oh well - 



You're coming across as well spoken in this forum. Perhaps it's just that you're trying too hard on Match? Come at it from an obtuse angle - glancing blows - with less care about what happens. That might be the best approach for you.
2012-04-12 11:13 AM
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Holy over-complication batman!  It's online dating; tell them you think their hair is cute and they have big feet, then go grab a drink.  
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