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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() phatknot - 2010-09-05 2:24 PM go watch this now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhn2kNzROnY Wow, who's ready to toe the line and go at it? Freakin wanted to go through my computer and be out there |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() phatknot - 2010-09-05 11:24 AM go watch this now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhn2kNzROnY
Thanks for the good cry. I needed that. :-) |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() phatknot - 2010-09-05 11:24 AM go watch this now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhn2kNzROnY Thanks bud!! That was effing awesome!! I gotta go out & train... |
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New user![]() | ![]() I wonder how many times I will watch that vid before next June. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm glad I watched that after I signed up. No backing out now. Any advice from the vetrans on how to make it through the swim start? Does it ever thin out or is it like that the whole 2.4? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gojogo - 2010-09-07 2:53 PM I'm glad I watched that after I signed up. No backing out now. Any advice from the vetrans on how to make it through the swim start? Does it ever thin out or is it like that the whole 2.4? Start at the front and go sub 55 minutes? I haven't found a way. You can start WAY outside but if you swim toward the first turn buoy you're going to get caught up in the crowd from that point on. You would have to stay WAY outside the whole way. I know being a mid pack swimmer every time I thought I had some space it got closed real quick for both laps; in fact the hardest hits I received were on my second laps. Edited by PGoldberger 2010-09-07 5:35 PM |
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![]() | ![]() PGoldberger - 2010-09-07 3:30 PM gojogo - 2010-09-07 2:53 PM I'm glad I watched that after I signed up. No backing out now. Any advice from the vetrans on how to make it through the swim start? Does it ever thin out or is it like that the whole 2.4? Start at the front and go sub 55 minutes? I haven't found a way. You can start WAY outside but if you swim toward the first turn buoy you're going to get caught up in the crowd from that point on. You would have to stay WAY outside the whole way. I know being a mid pack swimmer every time I thought I had some space it got closed real quick for both laps; in fact the hardest hits I received were on my second laps. This year at CDA, I started way back but in the middle, because huuuundreds of people waited for the far outside, and went really easy at the beginning and had a pleasant swim to start out. No kicks bumps or freak outs like I imagined and saw in the videos. By the first bouy I was stuck behind and within a huge clump of people, at the turn back in it thinned out again but the second lap was extremely brutal. Im glad I already had the initial worries out of my system, after the first 1.2 miles nothing was going to stop me. On the second loop most people follow the buoys a lot closer and it gets rough with elbows and feet everywhere. Between the 2 turn around bouys, there were several of us stopped and were bobbing around for a while (blinded by the sun but otherwise having a great time because WE WERE DOING IRONMAN CDA!!!) while other swimmers filtered around to the final swim in. I ended up having a severe head ache after the second loop and had my goggles knocked off several times. It was tough at times but nothing we all couldnt handle with proper preparation and training. With that said: Next year, I will seed myself faster and hope that might create a different experience? It might just be the luck of the draw too. For how many horror stories I heard about the Ironman Swim, there was NEVER a point where I though I wasnt going to make it. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Rhawk - 2010-09-07 2:56 PM I wonder how many times I will watch that vid before next June. Yeah it will be interesting to see the number of views on that video grow over the winter and on into spring as the race nears! |
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![]() | ![]() Shermbelle - 2010-09-07 6:02 PM Rhawk - 2010-09-07 2:56 PM I wonder how many times I will watch that vid before next June. Yeah it will be interesting to see the number of views on that video grow over the winter and on into spring as the race nears! I agree. There are always tears while watching it too! |
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I watch the video before I go to bed and when I wake up. I’m so ready it’s not even funny. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gojogo - 2010-09-07 4:53 PM I'm glad I watched that after I signed up. No backing out now. Any advice from the vetrans on how to make it through the swim start? Does it ever thin out or is it like that the whole 2.4? I started 2nd row, towards the left. It was a CLOBBERFEST my entire swim. I've never experienced anything like it. I never found clear water and spent my entire swim (1:05) battling arms, mostly male. Truly, I hated it!!! (And I'm a swimmer -- I love swimming! I love everything about swimming!!) I don't know what/if I'll do different next time around... I tried to take it out fast in hopes of finding some clear water, on the advice of others, but it never happened. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PGoldberger - 2010-09-07 4:30 PM ...in fact the hardest hits I received were on my second laps. Sorry about that. I tried keep up with you in the water and by the second lap I was toast. Frustration? Anger? I do not know, I'm not proud of it, but it happens. I have been bumped around a lot on the first lap, but nothing real bad. By the second lap the amount of contact seem less but when it happens it seem more intentional and hard hitting. My guess is after the first lap split there are a bunch of guy that had dreams of a sub 60 swim and a Kona spot who have finally realized they are hanging BOP with me. |
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The Original ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kkcbelle - 2010-09-08 12:44 AM gojogo - 2010-09-07 4:53 PM I'm glad I watched that after I signed up. No backing out now. Any advice from the vetrans on how to make it through the swim start? Does it ever thin out or is it like that the whole 2.4? I started 2nd row, towards the left. It was a CLOBBERFEST my entire swim. I've never experienced anything like it. I never found clear water and spent my entire swim (1:05) battling arms, mostly male. Truly, I hated it!!! (And I'm a swimmer -- I love swimming! I love everything about swimming!!) I don't know what/if I'll do different next time around... I tried to take it out fast in hopes of finding some clear water, on the advice of others, but it never happened. I was miserable the entire swim and I am usually pretty comfortable in the water. I LOVED the IM Cozumel swim (way less contact than CDA) and the IM FL swim wasn't bad after the first loop and was quite pleasant. I got out of the water with IM FL like- "That's it? That wasn't bad at all!" CDA's swim was a totally different story. During the entire swim I was thinking, "Get me the hell out of the water- lol." I was hoping to swim 1:12ish at CDA but ended up swimming a 1:15- I'm blaming all the contact for the slower swim time. But when I finally got out of the water I didn't care so much about my time- I was just very happy to be done with the swim and be alive! I started middle/middle but somehow ended up near the inside of the buoy line. I will never start middle/middle again. If I had to do it all over again I'd start on the far outside and angle in to avoid a lot of contact before the first turn buoy and tkae wider turns. I'm not sure how it was for those who started on the outside and if that helped as much? I mostly had a lot of physical contact with MEN. I was getting super pissed and tried to pick up the pace just to get out the water. It was the most voilent swim I've ever done and the 2nd lap was a little better but still pretty bad with the turn buoys. I got kicked in the left boob- which was not fun. I had men swimming all over me. I started to do side kicks (like side kicks in kick boxing class) when people got close to me to avoid them swimming over me and getting into my path ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I volunteered in 2010 and watched the swim start but not the whole swim. With that said, I do not see how there would be a calm area with that many people on a 2 loop swim in a rectangle. I would be interested in hearing how those who went wide did. I never have understood the reason for keeping the mass start other than keeping with the midnight cut off. It does not matter as I am sure IM will never change it. What worked best for people - but your head down and just power, sight more and "try" to avoid. I know I waste too much energy onl halfs I have done getting my stroke "off" by trying to weave or get out of the way of folkes. I think the mass hysteria in the swim will be the one factor no prep will fully have me ready for. I can run and bike in cold, hot, rain etc. but getting 3000 people to beat the hell out me at the pool just does not sound like the training I want. Oh well as they say - its an Ironman - It is not ment to be easy. Thank you to all those prior finishers for the advice and stories. The more we know what to expect the more it helps. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kstater39 - 2010-09-08 9:00 AM I volunteered in 2010 and watched the swim start but not the whole swim. With that said, I do not see how there would be a calm area with that many people on a 2 loop swim in a rectangle. I would be interested in hearing how those who went wide did. I never have understood the reason for keeping the mass start other than keeping with the midnight cut off. It does not matter as I am sure IM will never change it. What worked best for people - but your head down and just power, sight more and "try" to avoid. I know I waste too much energy onl halfs I have done getting my stroke "off" by trying to weave or get out of the way of folkes. I think the mass hysteria in the swim will be the one factor no prep will fully have me ready for. I can run and bike in cold, hot, rain etc. but getting 3000 people to beat the hell out me at the pool just does not sound like the training I want. Oh well as they say - its an Ironman - It is not ment to be easy. Thank you to all those prior finishers for the advice and stories. The more we know what to expect the more it helps. I'm a BOP'er and did my best to avoid and train for the contact. To do this I started all of my local tris pre-IM in the very, very front of whatever wave I was in. Since I'm a 1:43 IM swimmer this allowed almost all of my wave to swim over me ![]() On race day I lined up in the back and to the right a bit. I had contact but I wasn't getting clobbered except near the buoys. I think it's only really bad for people with swims under 1:20 or so. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Switching topics... looking for a little guidance on crank set and cassette for this course... MOP rider... generally ~19mph on a relatively flat course for a 50 mi ride (haven't trained for an IM so this is the only applicable info I have currently). Currently riding a 175 - 53/39 - 12/23. Thinking about a 170 - 53/39 - 12/27. Any thoughts? How does one best go about determining proper ratios? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ironman2284 - 2010-09-08 3:45 PM Switching topics... looking for a little guidance on crank set and cassette for this course... MOP rider... generally ~19mph on a relatively flat course for a 50 mi ride (haven't trained for an IM so this is the only applicable info I have currently). Currently riding a 175 - 53/39 - 12/23. Thinking about a 170 - 53/39 - 12/27. Any thoughts? How does one best go about determining proper ratios? I am of the opinion that MOST IM athletes should be riding compacts with at least a 26, and preferably a 28 available on the rear, for any of the courses with hills. I did IMLP in 10:20 on a compact + 12/26, fwiw... and if I had owned a 27 or 28 would have gone with that. Most of us don't need those gears to get up the hills... but we should be riding in them if we want to have the best overall performance on the day. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshKaptur - 2010-09-08 3:52 PM I am of the opinion that MOST IM athletes should be riding compacts with at least a 26, and preferably a 28 available on the rear, for any of the courses with hills. I did IMLP in 10:20 on a compact + 12/26, fwiw... and if I had owned a 27 or 28 would have gone with that. Most of us don't need those gears to get up the hills... but we should be riding in them if we want to have the best overall performance on the day. Thanks Josh. Haven't started IM training yet... but noticing how important it is to be easy-as-she-goes on the bike (zone 2 HR, e.g.) and that is the reason why I was wondering about the ratios. I'm going to start researching compact 12/27-28s. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() leopard8996 - 2010-09-08 12:42 PM kstater39 - 2010-09-08 9:00 AM I volunteered in 2010 and watched the swim start but not the whole swim. With that said, I do not see how there would be a calm area with that many people on a 2 loop swim in a rectangle. I would be interested in hearing how those who went wide did. I never have understood the reason for keeping the mass start other than keeping with the midnight cut off. It does not matter as I am sure IM will never change it. I'm a BOP'er and did my best to avoid and train for the contact. To do this I started all of my local tris pre-IM in the very, very front of whatever wave I was in. Since I'm a 1:43 IM swimmer this allowed almost all of my wave to swim over me What worked best for people - but your head down and just power, sight more and "try" to avoid. I know I waste too much energy onl halfs I have done getting my stroke "off" by trying to weave or get out of the way of folkes. I think the mass hysteria in the swim will be the one factor no prep will fully have me ready for. I can run and bike in cold, hot, rain etc. but getting 3000 people to beat the hell out me at the pool just does not sound like the training I want. Oh well as they say - its an Ironman - It is not ment to be easy. Thank you to all those prior finishers for the advice and stories. The more we know what to expect the more it helps. ![]()
BIG SIGH OF RELIEF!! That's the best thing I've heard about the whole CDA swim yet! I'm hoping for a 1:20 ish swim and was already planning to be in the back and outside. Problem is, sometimes I catch up. I'll just have to practice in local tris in the front like you said and get slammed a bit. |
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same sigh for me For the first time ever, being a slower swimmer may be an advantage for me. I will not be in the 1.20's would be on cloud 9 with 1.30-40 |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ironman2284 - 2010-09-08 2:54 PM JoshKaptur - 2010-09-08 3:52 PM I am of the opinion that MOST IM athletes should be riding compacts with at least a 26, and preferably a 28 available on the rear, for any of the courses with hills. I did IMLP in 10:20 on a compact + 12/26, fwiw... and if I had owned a 27 or 28 would have gone with that. Most of us don't need those gears to get up the hills... but we should be riding in them if we want to have the best overall performance on the day. Thanks Josh. Haven't started IM training yet... but noticing how important it is to be easy-as-she-goes on the bike (zone 2 HR, e.g.) and that is the reason why I was wondering about the ratios. I'm going to start researching compact 12/27-28s. i rode 1 loop last year while volunteering and I am very similar to you in speed and set up on my bike on flats. I rode with a rented bike with a 50 34 and 12 28 set up. You think it is a joke to have the compact until you get to Haden Lake or the Country club area. Then I was sooooooooooooo glad to have it. I bought a compact and put it on my rode bike to ride in the mountains of north georgia and will be putting it on the tri bike pre cda |
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Member ![]() | ![]() Just finished catching up with this thread and there is much to absorb/respond/ponder. Raced in CDA 2010 (1st IM) and promptly signed up for 2011. In response to other stated goals: I survived, did not finish last, and just enjoyed myself. Re: swim. The most physical event I participated in since I played rugby but none of it mean spirited. The guy who pushed my head down actually apologized! I started in the middle of the beach 4th row and I won't be doing that again. However I am not sure where to seed myself. The key (for me) was to relax into my swim pattern and not let the bumping get to me. It took about a mile to get there which is when the water cleared up some. This leg required the biggest mental adjustment on my part. Re: gearing. I can't comment on compact vs. standard. I trained on a standard 53/39 with a 12/25 cassette and stuck to what I knew for the race. It is a hilly course but I would not describe the climbs as major, just continuous and sizeable rollers once you get to Hayden (I train in Davis, CA which is about as flat as things get) . The hills keep you honest and break down the potential monotony of a long ride. To me the nature of the course and the surrounding country side make for a great ride. Loved seeing an osprey take off from its nest at some point. Just beautiful. Re: training races. Aside from Oceanside, I am surprised no one mentioned Auburn or Wildflower. I used the Auburn Half Ironman as a tune-up race about 5 weeks before CDA. I thought that worked out great and I will probably follow the same pattern again. It requires a real effort with its challenging bike course, but I thought of it as a reality check. Some will consider 5 weeks out to close, but I still had 2.5 weeks before starting my taper. Looking forward to sharing war stories. Bernd |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() berndstorm - 2010-09-08 9:34 PM Just finished catching up with this thread and there is much to absorb/respond/ponder. Raced in CDA 2010 (1st IM) and promptly signed up for 2011. In response to other stated goals: I survived, did not finish last, and just enjoyed myself. Re: swim. The most physical event I participated in since I played rugby but none of it mean spirited. The guy who pushed my head down actually apologized! I started in the middle of the beach 4th row and I won't be doing that again. However I am not sure where to seed myself. The key (for me) was to relax into my swim pattern and not let the bumping get to me. It took about a mile to get there which is when the water cleared up some. This leg required the biggest mental adjustment on my part. Re: gearing. I can't comment on compact vs. standard. I trained on a standard 53/39 with a 12/25 cassette and stuck to what I knew for the race. It is a hilly course but I would not describe the climbs as major, just continuous and sizeable rollers once you get to Hayden (I train in Davis, CA which is about as flat as things get) . The hills keep you honest and break down the potential monotony of a long ride. To me the nature of the course and the surrounding country side make for a great ride. Loved seeing an osprey take off from its nest at some point. Just beautiful. Re: training races. Aside from Oceanside, I am surprised no one mentioned Auburn or Wildflower. I used the Auburn Half Ironman as a tune-up race about 5 weeks before CDA. I thought that worked out great and I will probably follow the same pattern again. It requires a real effort with its challenging bike course, but I thought of it as a reality check. Some will consider 5 weeks out to close, but I still had 2.5 weeks before starting my taper. Looking forward to sharing war stories. Bernd Welcome! I work in Davis and lived there for several years. How would you say the hills in CDA compare to Cardiac or some of the hills out in Auburn? I do a loop around Folsom Lake that goes through Auburn and Cool then back to Folsom on Salmon Falls Road. |
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