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2013-09-17 8:10 AM
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4.2 miles today:

10' @ Z2

4 x 30" @ Z8 (VO2) w/ 3' @ Z3

10' @ Z2

 

I've noticed that after this week my Tuesday run turns into a 18 x 30" @ Z8 w/ 30" @ Z2, where the number of this repetition builds.

After my next recover week, my easy run with strides turns into a workout like the one I ran today, but with 1' efforts at Z10 (Max Effort).

This program is definitely going to get challenging as time rolls on.



2013-09-17 8:25 AM
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2013-09-17 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Pink Socks 4.4 Purpose: Day 1 of mary training.

So you did a triple the day before day 1 of marathon training.  You're a nut.  I like that

Why, thank you kindly! But the triple was just a long split into 3 shorter runs. First time I ever did that and it's lot easier than a long of the same length. I really don't want to do many of those but it was necessary to find out pacing and Ragnar needs. I was trying to get at least one of the triples out of the way before the mary training plan started. Hope you are feeling better!!
What marathon are you doing and what plan are you following? Also, what Ragnar are you doing?
Marathon is Louisiana Marathon in Baton Rouge Jan 19th. Ragnar is TN. Plan is a mix - Hal Higdon Advanced 1 with modifications with things I've done in the past and things I haven't done in the past. While this thread has made me very interested in JD, I just don't have the mindset right now to go for zones, etc. 3.7 miles. Purpose: Hills, Strength, Running in the dark on a busy road, keeping my arse moving up and down the hills

Just FYI JD doesn't work with zones.

2013-09-17 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by wgraves7582 Thanks for the motivation this month gang - still at it and I actually want to run now!

AWESOME!!!!! That makes my day! 

2013-09-17 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Pink Socks 4.4 Purpose: Day 1 of mary training.

So you did a triple the day before day 1 of marathon training.  You're a nut.  I like that

Why, thank you kindly! But the triple was just a long split into 3 shorter runs. First time I ever did that and it's lot easier than a long of the same length. I really don't want to do many of those but it was necessary to find out pacing and Ragnar needs. I was trying to get at least one of the triples out of the way before the mary training plan started. Hope you are feeling better!!
What marathon are you doing and what plan are you following? Also, what Ragnar are you doing?
Marathon is Louisiana Marathon in Baton Rouge Jan 19th. Ragnar is TN. Plan is a mix - Hal Higdon Advanced 1 with modifications with things I've done in the past and things I haven't done in the past. While this thread has made me very interested in JD, I just don't have the mindset right now to go for zones, etc. 3.7 miles. Purpose: Hills, Strength, Running in the dark on a busy road, keeping my arse moving up and down the hills

Just FYI JD doesn't work with zones.

He has paces associating with different levels of training.  Isn't that basically a zone?  I realize I'm entering a battle of semantics.

2013-09-17 11:23 AM
in reply to: Asalzwed

Seattle
Subject: RE: September Running Challenge!

Today, 11 total

AM: 5ish, on the trails staying relaxed

PM: 6ish, uphill route focusing on increasing speed over the crests of the hills



2013-09-17 11:26 AM
in reply to: msteiner

Seattle
Subject: RE: September Running Challenge!
Originally posted by msteiner
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Pink Socks 4.4 Purpose: Day 1 of mary training.

So you did a triple the day before day 1 of marathon training.  You're a nut.  I like that

Why, thank you kindly! But the triple was just a long split into 3 shorter runs. First time I ever did that and it's lot easier than a long of the same length. I really don't want to do many of those but it was necessary to find out pacing and Ragnar needs. I was trying to get at least one of the triples out of the way before the mary training plan started. Hope you are feeling better!!
What marathon are you doing and what plan are you following? Also, what Ragnar are you doing?
Marathon is Louisiana Marathon in Baton Rouge Jan 19th. Ragnar is TN. Plan is a mix - Hal Higdon Advanced 1 with modifications with things I've done in the past and things I haven't done in the past. While this thread has made me very interested in JD, I just don't have the mindset right now to go for zones, etc. 3.7 miles. Purpose: Hills, Strength, Running in the dark on a busy road, keeping my arse moving up and down the hills

Just FYI JD doesn't work with zones.

He has paces associating with different levels of training.  Isn't that basically a zone?  I realize I'm entering a battle of semantics.

You are Smile

But I wouldn't define it as such.

I mean, 85% or so of the runs are just run easy. That other stuff is just knowing purpose behind different kinds of workouts.  He just gives your the approximate pace you should be running.

As I understand it, zones are based on calibrating heart rate and pace and that shyte is cumbersome. Maybe I misunderstand this zone stuff too. 

2013-09-17 2:59 PM
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.1 miles today with 3 at marathon pace. Purpose is a tune up for the marathon Saturday.
2013-09-17 7:44 PM
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First R-pace workout.  Haven't done this in 30 years.

1.75 mile wu
3 x 200 @ :43
1 x 400 @ 1:33
3 x 200 @ :43
1.5 mile cd

Purpose: speed and economy

2013-09-17 9:14 PM
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Matt and Salty, your pictures and stories are wonderful! Thank you both for sharing!
I was surprised at both of your weight issues. You both are so fit and athletic looking now!



Well done x 2!!
2013-09-17 9:15 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Pink Socks
Originally posted by Chunga Run today was recovery from a big run and bike weekend, three miles today. Feels good to say three miles is a recovery run!! Did 3 miles today as a recovery run. Did 3 miles today as a recovery run.................. Freaking awesome....... Mary
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is freaking awesome!

Seriously.  Awesome.

Mary, you have been running such a short time and look at you go. 


"I look forward to my increased distances now, like a little present each time."  Word. 




Thank you for the encouragement and enthusiasm.


2013-09-17 9:20 PM
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Originally posted by Chunga

Run today was recovery from a big run and bike weekend, three miles today.

Feels good to say three miles is a recovery run!!

Did 3 miles today as a recovery run.
Did 3 miles today as a recovery run..................
Freaking awesome.......

Mary

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is freaking awesome!


Thank you very much!! You are very kind.
2013-09-17 9:23 PM
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6 miles today
Purpose was really just to see if I could get it done.
I was tired and work was irritating and I had almost talked myself into an unscheduled rest day. I also had too much Chinese food for lunch so I wasn't feeling springy from that.
But I went ahead and ran and definitely felt better after doing so!!
2013-09-18 6:46 AM
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2013-09-18 7:21 AM
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4.5 miles today

5 @ Z2

25 @ Z3

5 @ Z2

Purpose: Recovery. 

2013-09-18 10:36 AM
in reply to: popsracer

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Originally posted by popsracer

First R-pace workout.  Haven't done this in 30 years.

1.75 mile wu
3 x 200 @ :43
1 x 400 @ 1:33
3 x 200 @ :43
1.5 mile cd

Purpose: speed and economy

how did you feel doing it? How fo you feel today?


2013-09-18 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by popsracer

First R-pace workout.  Haven't done this in 30 years.

1.75 mile wu
3 x 200 @ :43
1 x 400 @ 1:33
3 x 200 @ :43
1.5 mile cd

Purpose: speed and economy

how did you feel doing it? How fo you feel today?

It felt much, much easier than I thought it would.  I can see why JD recommends this in an earlier phase than (I) focused workouts.  I never run this fast so felt a little wobbly at first like pony legs but I actually got stronger as the workout progressed.  I think that is the neuromuscular adaptation.

It was interesting that I was not at all hindered by strength or endurance but rather the biomechanics of a smooth stride.  Truly emphasizing the purpose of this workout is to develop economy and speed.  (I) and (T) are to work on the engine.  My VDOT had me at :47 and 1:96 but I did them faster.  Not so much by design but I just strided out and that is where I ended up.  I'll repeat the workout next week and slow it down a tad.

My knee was a little sore this morning.  Had I not had quite a bit of base at this point I probably would have pulled something.  Again though, in retrospect I should have constrained myself a bit and would have got the same benefit of the workout.

This is great stuff.  Brought me back to my track glory days. 

2013-09-18 11:39 AM
in reply to: popsracer

Seattle
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Originally posted by popsracer
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by popsracer

First R-pace workout.  Haven't done this in 30 years.

1.75 mile wu
3 x 200 @ :43
1 x 400 @ 1:33
3 x 200 @ :43
1.5 mile cd

Purpose: speed and economy

how did you feel doing it? How fo you feel today?

It felt much, much easier than I thought it would.  I can see why JD recommends this in an earlier phase than (I) focused workouts.  I never run this fast so felt a little wobbly at first like pony legs but I actually got stronger as the workout progressed.  I think that is the neuromuscular adaptation.

It was interesting that I was not at all hindered by strength or endurance but rather the biomechanics of a smooth stride.  Truly emphasizing the purpose of this workout is to develop economy and speed.  (I) and (T) are to work on the engine.  My VDOT had me at :47 and 1:96 but I did them faster.  Not so much by design but I just strided out and that is where I ended up.  I'll repeat the workout next week and slow it down a tad.

My knee was a little sore this morning.  Had I not had quite a bit of base at this point I probably would have pulled something.  Again though, in retrospect I should have constrained myself a bit and would have got the same benefit of the workout.

This is great stuff.  Brought me back to my track glory days. 

That's great!

We don't spend much time in this phase with my team but we do a lot of strides at the end of various workouts (mainly T

What was your specialty in track, btw?

 

2013-09-18 12:48 PM
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"What was your specialty in track, btw?"

 I set school records as a sophomore in everything from the 100 to 2-mile.  I was naturely very gifted.  At 15, I ran my first HM (Mercer Island) in 1:18 and shortly thereafter a 3:06 marathon (Seaside).

 

2013-09-18 12:51 PM
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Seattle
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Originally posted by popsracer

"What was your specialty in track, btw?"

 I set school records as a sophomore in everything from the 100 to 2-mile.  I was naturely very gifted.  At 15, I ran my first HM (Mercer Island) in 1:18 and shortly thereafter a 3:06 marathon (Seaside).

 

That's a really wide range. Did you run in College?

2013-09-18 1:03 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by popsracer

"What was your specialty in track, btw?"

 I set school records as a sophomore in everything from the 100 to 2-mile.  I was naturely very gifted.  At 15, I ran my first HM (Mercer Island) in 1:18 and shortly thereafter a 3:06 marathon (Seaside).

 

That's a really wide range. Did you run in College?

Nope.  I severed my hamstring in a tobogganing accident and things were never quite the same.  I went back to Seaside the next two years and ran about 3:30 each time on minimal training.  Did a lot of road races during college instead of running track.  I was able to get my times back down a bit but the tobogganing thing was a life changer.  It has haunted me for 35 years.



2013-09-18 2:30 PM
in reply to: popsracer

Seattle
Subject: RE: September Running Challenge!
Originally posted by popsracer
Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by popsracer

"What was your specialty in track, btw?"

 I set school records as a sophomore in everything from the 100 to 2-mile.  I was naturely very gifted.  At 15, I ran my first HM (Mercer Island) in 1:18 and shortly thereafter a 3:06 marathon (Seaside).

 

That's a really wide range. Did you run in College?

Nope.  I severed my hamstring in a tobogganing accident and things were never quite the same.  I went back to Seaside the next two years and ran about 3:30 each time on minimal training.  Did a lot of road races during college instead of running track.  I was able to get my times back down a bit but the tobogganing thing was a life changer.  It has haunted me for 35 years.

I guess I must have missed this! Sorry about that!

My friend's dad had a similar sounding sledding accident. My friend was not permitted to go with us when we went.

Glad you kept running. 

2013-09-18 2:48 PM
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6.1 miles today at an easy pace, purpose tapering for this weekends marathon.
2013-09-18 2:53 PM
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Originally posted by navbtcret 6.1 miles today at an easy pace, purpose tapering for this weekends marathon.

And what marathon are you doing? And what are your goals?

2013-09-18 5:22 PM
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Forgot to log yesterday's run(s). 4 miles in AM to shake things out -- loosen up. Track workout in the PM with the running group. 5 x 3 min on/3 min off with WU and CD. Everyone else was doing 10 x :30 so I was running alone in the twilight by the end. The coach and one friend did wait for me though. It's fun to run with a group and I forgot how much I love/hate track workouts.

 

Only one more long run before taper for Chicago Marathon.  I met my fundraising minimum, but check out my fundraising page to see the banana costumed runner (not me): http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/DetermiNation/DNFY11IL?px=31080303&pg=personal&fr_id=54854

 

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