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 2010-05-26 1:38 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
Expert  790   |  Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED!Well after my ride yesterday, while in the shower, my eye started to bother me. It was swollen a bit, so I took some benadryl and figured it would get better. Well I guess I was wrong.... This is how I woke up this morning! Went to the doctor's and it is a reaction to something that obviously got in my eye during my ride. Good news, there is no infection just inflammation. So I just got a steroid shot and a week supply to take orally. At least I get some HTFU points for still getting my speed run in prior to the doctor visit.  |
| 2010-05-26 1:46 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
 Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Dude, you need to come up with some smack down fight story with that eye. |
| 2010-05-26 2:11 PM in reply to: #2883805 |
Extreme Veteran 689 | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Houstonrider - 2010-05-26 2:38 PM Well after my ride yesterday, while in the shower, my eye started to bother me. It was swollen a bit, so I took some benadryl and figured it would get better. Well I guess I was wrong.... This is how I woke up this morning! Went to the doctor's and it is a reaction to something that obviously got in my eye during my ride. Good news, there is no infection just inflammation. So I just got a steroid shot and a week supply to take orally. At least I get some HTFU points for still getting my speed run in prior to the doctor visit. I've had what looks similar to that before. but mine, (according to the doc) was due to rubbing your eyes and causing your tear ducts and some other duct to get clogged.. the only thing he recommended to me was rinsing the eye out with eye wash (bought over the counter from the drug store) and a hot compress for long periods of time. if it's similar to mine, the duct will clear-up and tons of liquid just comes out. |
| 2010-05-26 3:43 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
Expert 1323 Rowlett, TX | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! So I wanted to sum up my VO2 test with everyone and see where it leads us. Maybe there are discussions and maybe it gets dropped. He is a southpaw, training out of Dallas, TX standing 5’11” and weighing in at 202 lbs and fighting in the blue trunks. So the set up was I had a mask on my face to breathe through. Brought my bike and set it up on the trainer. Did a 5 min wu then started. Got started in a low gear and every 2 min went up a gear. I would do this until I was at a perceived level on 9 which was a pace I could only hold for the 2 min. Then rested about 5-10 min and repeated on the run but going up 0.5 on the treadmill. For the Bike the numbers I got were VO2 and HR Aerobic Thresh Ana Thres Max measured 20.3 33.8 39.5 131 157 196
For Zones I was given Wu – 110-131 SS – 131-156 Tempo – 157-170 Intervals – 171+ Bike notes – As I was told I need to do longer slower bike rides. Its true I haven’t done any this year. Maxing out at like 80 min. I was maxed out at the end of the test. For the Run For the Run the numbers I got were VO2 and HR Aerobic Thresh Ana Thres Max measured 26.8 31.5 37.7 152 185 197 For Zones I was given Wu – 128-151 SS – 152-184 Tempo – 185-197 Intervals – 198+ Run notes – As I got higher speeds my perception wasn’t very on track with my actual exertion. After 8 the next speed I said 9 to start but once I was going I could have went another level up and been a level 9. I had a better base than I expected and was told I need to add in tempo runs and some intervals. I have not done any this year as a worry about my calfs. |
| 2010-05-26 4:01 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! I am not sure I could hit those zones on the bike you were given. I find it easier to increase my HR on the run then on the bike. You run zones look about near as mine so I'll be interested to see how you do hitting the bike numbers. |
| 2010-05-26 4:08 PM in reply to: #2883805 |
Master 1623 | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! That looks painful!!! Hope it gets better soon! Houstonrider - 2010-05-26 2:38 PM Well after my ride yesterday, while in the shower, my eye started to bother me. It was swollen a bit, so I took some benadryl and figured it would get better. Well I guess I was wrong.... This is how I woke up this morning! Went to the doctor's and it is a reaction to something that obviously got in my eye during my ride. Good news, there is no infection just inflammation. So I just got a steroid shot and a week supply to take orally. At least I get some HTFU points for still getting my speed run in prior to the doctor visit. |
| 2010-05-26 4:14 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
Extreme Veteran 599 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! |
| 2010-05-26 8:14 PM in reply to: #2884332 |
Extreme Veteran 380 Houston | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Emmanem - 2010-05-26 4:08 PM That looks painful!!! Hope it gets better soon! Houstonrider - 2010-05-26 2:38 PM Well after my ride yesterday, while in the shower, my eye started to bother me. It was swollen a bit, so I took some benadryl and figured it would get better. Well I guess I was wrong.... This is how I woke up this morning! Went to the doctor's and it is a reaction to something that obviously got in my eye during my ride. Good news, there is no infection just inflammation. So I just got a steroid shot and a week supply to take orally. At least I get some HTFU points for still getting my speed run in prior to the doctor visit. Personally, I think cyclops is a good look for Justin. The truth is Justin told his wife he was training for (2) IMs in 2011 and this is what he has to show for it! I would be so screwed if this happened to my left eye. My right eye is practically blind. Get better soon! |
| 2010-05-26 8:49 PM in reply to: #2884258 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Very nice, I like the numbers... I know it gets glossed over by others in the group  How did they determine the two threshold points? Based on RPE? Breathing? I'm guessing the aerobic TH is where they're saying you start Z3 and anaerobic is LT (Lactate threshold) since that's the point where you become anaerobic? Newtons1st - 2010-05-26 3:43 PM So I wanted to sum up my VO2 test with everyone and see where it leads us. Maybe there are discussions and maybe it gets dropped. He is a southpaw, training out of Dallas, TX standing 5’11” and weighing in at 202 lbs and fighting in the blue trunks. So the set up was I had a mask on my face to breathe through. Brought my bike and set it up on the trainer. Did a 5 min wu then started. Got started in a low gear and every 2 min went up a gear. I would do this until I was at a perceived level on 9 which was a pace I could only hold for the 2 min. Then rested about 5-10 min and repeated on the run but going up 0.5 on the treadmill. For the Bike the numbers I got were VO2 and HR Aerobic Thresh Ana Thres Max measured 20.3 33.8 39.5 131 157 196
For Zones I was given Wu – 110-131 SS – 131-156 Tempo – 157-170 Intervals – 171+ Bike notes – As I was told I need to do longer slower bike rides. Its true I haven’t done any this year. Maxing out at like 80 min. I was maxed out at the end of the test. For the Run For the Run the numbers I got were VO2 and HR Aerobic Thresh Ana Thres Max measured 26.8 31.5 37.7 152 185 197 For Zones I was given Wu – 128-151 SS – 152-184 Tempo – 185-197 Intervals – 198+ Run notes – As I got higher speeds my perception wasn’t very on track with my actual exertion. After 8 the next speed I said 9 to start but once I was going I could have went another level up and been a level 9. I had a better base than I expected and was told I need to add in tempo runs and some intervals. I have not done any this year as a worry about my calfs. Edited by evondo 2010-05-26 8:50 PM |
| 2010-05-26 8:54 PM in reply to: #2884358 |
Pro 4482 NJ | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Betsy0706 - 2010-05-26 5:14 PM Ouch Justin! Hope it heals quickly! As to Todd - that all sounds like greek to me! Echoing Betsy on both counts. |
| 2010-05-26 10:09 PM in reply to: #2884840 |
Expert 790 | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! I find the numbers very interesting. I'm strongly considering training with power after this summer. Eric, I have a question and I'm sure you will be able to answer. From what I understand, one of the main advantages of training with power is that it is constant. Up a hill, against the wind, if it is hot or cold, the power output can be monitored and kept the same. My first question is... are there corresponding power number to the example zones below? For example, Tempo – 157-170 - therefore power output should be between 225-240watts (just an example), to have a good tempo work out. 2nd question - since HR is not constant and you are holding 230 watts for your tempo ride is it possible for your HR to go above 170 due to heat, stress, lack of sleep? What do you do if that happens? Drop power until your heart rate drops? Stay the course with power? If you kept the power the same would you eventually blow up since your temp ride has now become an interval? Or is this just not a valid scenario? My thinking is if you are training with power you would still monitor HR just to make sure there isn't something "off" that day. Just trying to wrap my mind around all this data. Because power tap /HR/ Lactate TH/ and VO2 max is pretty much greek to me. I'm lucky I remember to take a watch with me Look forward to your response. evondo - 2010-05-26 8:49 PM Very nice, I like the numbers... I know it gets glossed over by others in the group How did they determine the two threshold points? Based on RPE? Breathing? I'm guessing the aerobic TH is where they're saying you start Z3 and anaerobic is LT (Lactate threshold) since that's the point where you become anaerobic? Newtons1st - 2010-05-26 3:43 PM So I wanted to sum up my VO2 test with everyone and see where it leads us. Maybe there are discussions and maybe it gets dropped. He is a southpaw, training out of Dallas, TX standing 5’11” and weighing in at 202 lbs and fighting in the blue trunks. So the set up was I had a mask on my face to breathe through. Brought my bike and set it up on the trainer. Did a 5 min wu then started. Got started in a low gear and every 2 min went up a gear. I would do this until I was at a perceived level on 9 which was a pace I could only hold for the 2 min. Then rested about 5-10 min and repeated on the run but going up 0.5 on the treadmill. For the Bike the numbers I got were VO2 and HR Aerobic Thresh Ana Thres Max measured 20.3 33.8 39.5 131 157 196
For Zones I was given Wu – 110-131 SS – 131-156 Tempo – 157-170 Intervals – 171+ Bike notes – As I was told I need to do longer slower bike rides. Its true I haven’t done any this year. Maxing out at like 80 min. I was maxed out at the end of the test. For the Run For the Run the numbers I got were VO2 and HR Aerobic Thresh Ana Thres Max measured 26.8 31.5 37.7 152 185 197 For Zones I was given Wu – 128-151 SS – 152-184 Tempo – 185-197 Intervals – 198+ Run notes – As I got higher speeds my perception wasn’t very on track with my actual exertion. After 8 the next speed I said 9 to start but once I was going I could have went another level up and been a level 9. I had a better base than I expected and was told I need to add in tempo runs and some intervals. I have not done any this year as a worry about my calfs. Edited by Houstonrider 2010-05-26 10:15 PM |
| 2010-05-27 7:11 AM in reply to: #2884975 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Yes, there are corresponding power numbers to zones and it can even get more specific than that for intervals if you calculate a CP (critical power) curve. From a CP curve you can get different power ranges for different lengths of time, example being a 3' interval is going to have a much higher power number than a 6' even though both will be in the 'interval zone'. Yes, it's possible for your HR to go out of a given zone and your power stay in the intended zone. In nearly all cases you should stay the course with power. Your legs are going to give out before your heart even if your HR is higher than normal. As triathletes we get much better cardio training from running than biking will ever give us, it also makes it so cardio is rarely our weakness on the bike. Now with all that said I do wear a HR monitor during a HIM just to make sure I calm myself down the first ~5mi of the bike leg. Most people, including myself, have a HUGE spike in HR at the start of the bike and I watch my power but also am mindful about getting my HR down. After HR is in the range I want I don't look at it again until the next HIM... Houstonrider - 2010-05-26 10:09 PM I find the numbers very interesting. I'm strongly considering training with power after this summer. Eric, I have a question and I'm sure you will be able to answer. From what I understand, one of the main advantages of training with power is that it is constant. Up a hill, against the wind, if it is hot or cold, the power output can be monitored and kept the same. My first question is... are there corresponding power number to the example zones below? For example, Tempo – 157-170 - therefore power output should be between 225-240watts (just an example), to have a good tempo work out. 2nd question - since HR is not constant and you are holding 230 watts for your tempo ride is it possible for your HR to go above 170 due to heat, stress, lack of sleep? What do you do if that happens? Drop power until your heart rate drops? Stay the course with power? If you kept the power the same would you eventually blow up since your temp ride has now become an interval? Or is this just not a valid scenario? My thinking is if you are training with power you would still monitor HR just to make sure there isn't something "off" that day. Just trying to wrap my mind around all this data. Because power tap /HR/ Lactate TH/ and VO2 max is pretty much greek to me. I'm lucky I remember to take a watch with me Look forward to your response. |
| 2010-05-27 7:37 AM in reply to: #2885258 |
Extreme Veteran 380 Houston | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! evondo - 2010-05-27 7:11 AM Yes, there are corresponding power numbers to zones and it can even get more specific than that for intervals if you calculate a CP (critical power) curve. From a CP curve you can get different power ranges for different lengths of time, example being a 3' interval is going to have a much higher power number than a 6' even though both will be in the 'interval zone'. Yes, it's possible for your HR to go out of a given zone and your power stay in the intended zone. In nearly all cases you should stay the course with power. Your legs are going to give out before your heart even if your HR is higher than normal. As triathletes we get much better cardio training from running than biking will ever give us, it also makes it so cardio is rarely our weakness on the bike. Now with all that said I do wear a HR monitor during a HIM just to make sure I calm myself down the first ~5mi of the bike leg. Most people, including myself, have a HUGE spike in HR at the start of the bike and I watch my power but also am mindful about getting my HR down. After HR is in the range I want I don't look at it again until the next HIM... Houstonrider - 2010-05-26 10:09 PM I find the numbers very interesting. I'm strongly considering training with power after this summer. Eric, I have a question and I'm sure you will be able to answer. From what I understand, one of the main advantages of training with power is that it is constant. Up a hill, against the wind, if it is hot or cold, the power output can be monitored and kept the same. My first question is... are there corresponding power number to the example zones below? For example, Tempo – 157-170 - therefore power output should be between 225-240watts (just an example), to have a good tempo work out. 2nd question - since HR is not constant and you are holding 230 watts for your tempo ride is it possible for your HR to go above 170 due to heat, stress, lack of sleep? What do you do if that happens? Drop power until your heart rate drops? Stay the course with power? If you kept the power the same would you eventually blow up since your temp ride has now become an interval? Or is this just not a valid scenario? My thinking is if you are training with power you would still monitor HR just to make sure there isn't something "off" that day. Just trying to wrap my mind around all this data. Because power tap /HR/ Lactate TH/ and VO2 max is pretty much greek to me. I'm lucky I remember to take a watch with me Look forward to your response. I think you should take the inverse square of the hypotenuse to get the total calculated effort and then multiply by pi and divide by the average power (in watts). LOL ..whatever! It's all greek to me too. Todd was hauling the mail to hit 196hr on the bike. I only did that once racing Justin. Thanks for the info Todd. I had actually considered doing a VO2 test to get a better idea on HR zones. For now I just look for anything out of the norm' for me at a given pace. |
| 2010-05-27 7:45 AM in reply to: #2558074 |
Expert 1323 Rowlett, TX | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Dude Justin that eye is brutal. I finally got it to load. You definatly need to get your story right about how you save the old lady from the 3 MMA dudes that were trying to steal her cane. |
| 2010-05-27 8:35 AM in reply to: #2884840 |
Expert 1323 Rowlett, TX | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! On the Z3 and LT Yes on the AT and AnaT. Now the numbers just came out printed on a chart. I do have the data sheet that I am going over and learning what is what. There are 12 columns. Time, HR, VO2, VCO2, VE/VO2, FeO2, FECO2, RER... Plus a summery chart To get the AnaT it was where my respiratory exchange rate (RER) was 1.00. and I think the AT is where the RER was its lowest. I didnt get a chance to ask as many questions at the time but have listed a few and will go over with her next time I see her. Once I get my Power Tap Wheel set up I will do some rides in my HR zones and see what kind of watts I am putting out and then reset teh zones for power. evondo - 2010-05-26 8:49 PM Very nice, I like the numbers... I know it gets glossed over by others in the group How did they determine the two threshold points? Based on RPE? Breathing? I'm guessing the aerobic TH is where they're saying you start Z3 and anaerobic is LT (Lactate threshold) since that's the point where you become anaerobic? |
| 2010-05-27 8:35 AM in reply to: #2558074 |
Pro 4742 Sarasota FL | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! You know, when I actually have time to get in here and say hi I don't like feeling dumb because I have NO idea what you're talking about. |
| 2010-05-27 8:39 AM in reply to: #2885436 |
Expert 1323 Rowlett, TX | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Actually I can go left handed and I can go right handed, I am amphibious. Nicole83 - 2010-05-27 8:35 AM You know, when I actually have time to get in here and say hi I don't like feeling dumb because I have NO idea what you're talking about. |
| 2010-05-27 8:48 AM in reply to: #2885446 |
Pro 4742 Sarasota FL | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! It depends on what I'm doing, but me too. I write and eat with a fork left handed, but I throw, golf, swing a bad, etc right handed. Hm, maybe that's why I get injured so much. I'm using the wrong hand when I do things with objects that I flail around in front of my face... Newtons1st - 2010-05-27 9:39 AM Actually I can go left handed and I can go right handed, I am amphibious. Nicole83 - 2010-05-27 8:35 AM You know, when I actually have time to get in here and say hi I don't like feeling dumb because I have NO idea what you're talking about. |
| 2010-05-27 9:12 AM in reply to: #2884358 |
Master 1209 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! So glad to know I'm not the only one!! Betsy0706 - 2010-05-26 5:14 PM Ouch Justin! Hope it heals quickly! As to Todd - that all sounds like greek to me! |
| 2010-05-27 9:15 AM in reply to: #2558074 |
Master 1209 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Justin...that eye looks seriously uncomfortable! Hope you're feeling better soon! |
| 2010-05-27 9:54 AM in reply to: #2558074 |
Master 1209 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Question for those of your riding tri bikes....when you started spending a lot of time riding in aero did/does it leave you with tight hamstrings? Or do you feel like it works your hamstrings more? I'm not in any kind of discomfort, this is just something I've noticed recently. While I'm very comfortable on my bike (and more comfortable than I ever was on my road bike), I'm getting a proper bike in the next couple weeks. |
| 2010-05-27 3:17 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! I was thinking it was going to be super expensive to ship my bike to OR so had no plans to ship it back, I was just going to get a friend to sell it. According to their online calculator it is only $52. At that price I might ship my good bike. I was thinking way more. Since I can afford to be without the bike for a few days I am thinking I'll ship the good bike a week out and use the "rain" bike to ride that week it is in transit on both sides of the race. And now I don't have to sell my bike. |
| 2010-05-27 6:01 PM in reply to: #2885258 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Here's an example of a critical power curve from my LT test today for those that want to learn greek... evondo - 2010-05-27 7:11 AM Yes, there are corresponding power numbers to zones and it can even get more specific than that for intervals if you calculate a CP (critical power) curve. From a CP curve you can get different power ranges for different lengths of time, example being a 3' interval is going to have a much higher power number than a 6' even though both will be in the 'interval zone'. Yes, it's possible for your HR to go out of a given zone and your power stay in the intended zone. In nearly all cases you should stay the course with power. Your legs are going to give out before your heart even if your HR is higher than normal. As triathletes we get much better cardio training from running than biking will ever give us, it also makes it so cardio is rarely our weakness on the bike. Now with all that said I do wear a HR monitor during a HIM just to make sure I calm myself down the first ~5mi of the bike leg. Most people, including myself, have a HUGE spike in HR at the start of the bike and I watch my power but also am mindful about getting my HR down. After HR is in the range I want I don't look at it again until the next HIM... Houstonrider - 2010-05-26 10:09 PM I find the numbers very interesting. I'm strongly considering training with power after this summer. Eric, I have a question and I'm sure you will be able to answer. From what I understand, one of the main advantages of training with power is that it is constant. Up a hill, against the wind, if it is hot or cold, the power output can be monitored and kept the same. My first question is... are there corresponding power number to the example zones below? For example, Tempo – 157-170 - therefore power output should be between 225-240watts (just an example), to have a good tempo work out. 2nd question - since HR is not constant and you are holding 230 watts for your tempo ride is it possible for your HR to go above 170 due to heat, stress, lack of sleep? What do you do if that happens? Drop power until your heart rate drops? Stay the course with power? If you kept the power the same would you eventually blow up since your temp ride has now become an interval? Or is this just not a valid scenario? My thinking is if you are training with power you would still monitor HR just to make sure there isn't something "off" that day. Just trying to wrap my mind around all this data. Because power tap /HR/ Lactate TH/ and VO2 max is pretty much greek to me. I'm lucky I remember to take a watch with me Look forward to your response. (cp-curve.jpg) Attachments ---------------- cp-curve.jpg (49KB - 13 downloads) |
| 2010-05-27 6:05 PM in reply to: #2885690 |
Master 1318 Houston | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! I never did but of course I never had a road bike and never learned to ride out of aero... The last 1.5 weeks you've really ramped up your biking, I bet that's the cause of the tight hamstrings. I'm always tight after taking some time off and starting back up but that may be just me KelliD - 2010-05-27 9:54 AM Question for those of your riding tri bikes....when you started spending a lot of time riding in aero did/does it leave you with tight hamstrings? Or do you feel like it works your hamstrings more? I'm not in any kind of discomfort, this is just something I've noticed recently. While I'm very comfortable on my bike (and more comfortable than I ever was on my road bike), I'm getting a proper bike in the next couple weeks. |
| 2010-05-27 10:20 PM in reply to: #2558074 |
Master 1623 | Subject: RE: Evondo's Group - CLOSED! Anyone done a night race? I'm looking at doing a race called midnight flight. It's got 3 different distances (1 mile, 5k, 10k) I'm thinking I'm gonna do the 10k. Its on September 3rd so I've got plenty of time to get training in, but it's at 11 at night. Part of me thinks it'll be a lot of fun, but I'm wondering how tired I'm gonna be at that point... anyone done a race this late? Thoughts?? |
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