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Gamer! you're just getting fitter and faster! Also, there will be good days and bad days. I find that lighter clothes make it easier to run. Even tighter sleeves can be difficult. Loose layers are best. Nothing cotton next to the body...ends up a wet rag.

A spin class followed by a treadmill run would be an indoor brick, yes? 


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ingleshteechur - 2011-01-02 10:51 AM I used my heart rate monitor this morning on a 4.6 mile run on the treadmill.  One problem I immediately had was that the display is so small it was hard to read while running.  I would have to jump off to the side, stop moving to see it, and then jump back on again.  If I were running outside I think I would have to significantly slow down to see it.  I was happy to see that my resting heart rate was in the low 50s.  Now I just have to figure out how to use all this information.  The highest my heart rate got was 157...not sure what zone that's in.  Again, all stuff I have to figure out but excited to do so!  I think I'm giong to find out I'm not working nearly as hard as I am capable of.

Next up...first open water swim since my August sprint tri.  Not sure how it's all going to go--warm water but cold outdoor temps. There is no wind so that's a big bonus.  We'll see how it goes!



I'm in Florida, so I know my cold doesn't equate with yours, but we have had some record cold weather both in Jan 2010 and  Dec. 2010.  Anyway, I mainly use an outdoor pool and swim at 6a, so i have some experience going from the cold (nothing below 30* for me) into warm water.  The hardest part is taking off the warm clothes to get into the water.  Once in, it's pretty nice.  In fact, it's kinda neat watching the steam come of the water as you swim. Of course, you have to get out sometime - that's the 2d hardest part Laughing ; it's amazing how fast I can get sweats on!  Have a good swim.

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Ann Marie I'm in Miami, I SO hear you! I love the lap pool here at my building, it's warm and it's so silent at 6am! Way to go on the Heart Rate training Kim. I'm trying to learn to read my data. Garmin 310xt gives me almost more data than I can deal with but I do love the gadgetcentric nature of this sport! 

I'm still sick, day 2 of cold. Hopefully it will be gone by tomorrow. I'm going to try to run whether it is or not! 
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Awww Steph...hope you feel better soon!  I started getting that crappy feeling in my throat Saturday so I've been loading up on Vitamin C and Airborne...so far so good!  Of course I'll be back to school today with all my 8th graders breathing all over me, so hopefully my immune system can handle 8th grader germs!
2011-01-03 7:05 AM
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Questions about trainer rides!

1.  Today I had a 60 minute/16 mile trainer ride.  During that 60 mins I played around with spinning easy versus pushing bigger gears, getting my heart rate up into zone three, then resting, etc.  After 60 mins I had gone 15 miles.  Tomorrow is my long ride of 1:40 or 26 miles.  Since I'm new to trainer riding would this be considered a steady state effort much like a long run?  How should I attack each trainer ride?  When is it appropriate to play around with speed vs power (if those are even the right terms)  Thanks for any input, advice, etc!
2011-01-03 7:24 AM
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stephsprint - 2011-01-03 5:55 AM Gamer! you're just getting fitter and faster! Also, there will be good days and bad days. I find that lighter clothes make it easier to run. Even tighter sleeves can be difficult. Loose layers are best. Nothing cotton next to the body...ends up a wet rag.

A spin class followed by a treadmill run would be an indoor brick, yes? 


You bet.  Some suggest to take a brief run every time after a spin to get the body accustomed to the transition.  I am doing that on shorter bike efforts of like 1 to 1.5 hours this winter.  Seems to help.
2011-01-03 7:31 AM
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ingleshteechur - 2011-01-03 7:05 AM Questions about trainer rides!

1.  Today I had a 60 minute/16 mile trainer ride.  During that 60 mins I played around with spinning easy versus pushing bigger gears, getting my heart rate up into zone three, then resting, etc.  After 60 mins I had gone 15 miles.  Tomorrow is my long ride of 1:40 or 26 miles.  Since I'm new to trainer riding would this be considered a steady state effort much like a long run?  How should I attack each trainer ride?  When is it appropriate to play around with speed vs power (if those are even the right terms)  Thanks for any input, advice, etc!


I've been with Vision Quest coaching for a while now.  The standard week includes four rides.  One is a VO2 max with hard short sprints like fartleks....  One includes high cadence drills, single leg drills or what's called SE drills, what you probably mean when you ask speed versus power.  SEs are high power efforts at low cadence 50-60 rpm like climbing a mountain.   Those two workouts are usually 70 mins to 90 mins.  Saturday is a more intense, longer ride with VO2 drills mixed in, about 2 hours total.  Then comes the Sunday sit on my butt long effort of 65 to 75% for base work.  I never am asked to do back-to-back hard efforts.  Usually is spaced Tues, Thurs, Sat and the long one Sunday.   We mix in 3-4 runs, 2-3 swims, 2 strength/weight.   And I've added 15 to 30 mins of yoga/stretching/foam rollers after every workout.  One rest day, Friday and that means nothing at all. We get stronger when we rest. 

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ingleshteechur - 2011-01-03 7:05 AM Questions about trainer rides!

1.  Today I had a 60 minute/16 mile trainer ride.  During that 60 mins I played around with spinning easy versus pushing bigger gears, getting my heart rate up into zone three, then resting, etc.  After 60 mins I had gone 15 miles.  Tomorrow is my long ride of 1:40 or 26 miles.  Since I'm new to trainer riding would this be considered a steady state effort much like a long run?  How should I attack each trainer ride?  When is it appropriate to play around with speed vs power (if those are even the right terms)  Thanks for any input, advice, etc!


The longer the time, the steadier the effort.  However, if you're riding outside, you'll have hills and wind to deal with (and the occasional traffic), so it isn't as steady as you might achieve on a trainer.  The other side of that is 1:40 spinning along uniformly is mind-numbingly B-O-R-I-N-G, so anything you do to break up the monotony is good.  If I use music (and I do for rides longer than an hour), I might do "song intervals" where I go harder every other song.  A variation is to go harder for the first 30 seconds of every song.  The "harder" on either of these doesn't have to be much harder since the real reason is to break up the time into manageable chunks.  If you're watching TV, you can do the same with commercials.  (This doesn't work with movies because there's no break for commercials...)
2011-01-03 7:56 AM
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like McFuzz said.  if im riding 45 minutes, i ride alot harder on the trainer. if its an hour or more, it a little slower and just steady(and alot more boring)
FWIW, the majority of my mileage each year comes from a trainer and i dont think it hinders my performance except on big hills.  unless your trainer allows you to barely grind out 60 rpm in your tallest gear, then maybe it's just fine for hills! 
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2011-01-03 8:42 AM
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Happy New Year all!! Hope everyone had a good (long) weekend!

Sorry I haven't been around much. Weekends are typically fairly busy for me and don't get much computer time nor do I want to spend my time at the computer.

The new year is here, I'm finally not sick and ready to go. First "real" training run will be today. Did a short jog and spin on the trainer over the weekend to get back in gear, but nothing serious.
2011-01-03 8:59 AM
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Need some suggestions. I have a pretty busy schedule and have 29 weeks to train for IMLP. If I didn't mention it before, I work two jobs. Mon-Fri, 9am-5pm at my FT job and Mon & Friday 6pm-11pm and Saturday 4pm-11pm at my PT job (yes, student loans are a real pleasure!!). I also have an hour+ of drving total to/from work each day. Last time I trained for IMLP I had soooo much more time on my hands. I typically run on my lunch for 30min every day on the TM. Sunday, Tuesday-Thursday and Saturday I clearly have time for extended workouts. It comes down to getting some in on Monday and Friday. Monday will most likely be a "rest day" with just my short lunch run, if I feel like it.

My questions:

1) Should I try and get up Friday before work for a workout?It would probably be a run since I won't drive out of my way to the pool in the morning and I won't subject the other apts. in my house to a 6am trainer ride on my mag+. I'm not a morning person AT ALL. I have a hard enough time getting to work for 9. Leading me to...

2) How do you drag yourself out of bed in the morning? Who wants to be my wake up call/bring me my coffee? Laughing Laura didn't seem too fond of the idea Tongue out Cream and sugar in my coffee or a seasonal latte from Starbucks will suffice.

3) I'm thinking about only running on my lunch 2-3 days a week with the other 2-3 days being a lift. Thoughts? I've been weight trainging for 12 years, so I'll be able to pick that up no problem.

Be prepared for follow up questions. Thanks!!
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Morning all.  Well the run yesterday did not go as planned (seems to be the theme for this last weekFrown).  The planned 9-10 miles turned into less than 4.  And I woke up this morning feeling like I've been hit by a truck - everything aches.  So I'm thinking that my body is trying to fight something off, and probably has been for a couple of days.  I'm going to take it easy today - maybe just some yoga and a walk instead of my scheduled run.  It's back to work for me tomorrow so I'll have to start scheduling my workouts around work again.  It was kind of nice to be able to do them whenever I wanted during the day. 



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How do you drag yourself out of bed?  Difficult some days but goals are the key for me.  Races don't wait for me to get ready. Ready or not, they will fire a gun and I will be in the water.  One of my former mentor group buddies had a signoff that said it all;

I do what another man won't do today so I can do what another man can't do tomorrow.   

Down for a treadmill run with speed work and strength work with yoga/stretching/foam rollers after.

BTW, did I mention we were out shopping and I decided as a lark to try on 32 inch pants.  THEY FIT!  Tight for work, but they did fit.   I bought 33s. Wearing them now   That is down from a 50 inch waist.  When I tested at the local university, I had a 13% body fat rating...considered "lean."  Doing the math, I had 8 pounds to shave for 10% which is the lower limit they recommend for endurance athletes because the fat stores are what we draw on over time.  I think I've made the 10%.  I will weigh one of these days.  


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IceManScott - 2011-01-03 10:07 AM
How do you drag yourself out of bed?  Difficult some days but goals are the key for me.  Races don't wait for me to get ready. Ready or not, they will fire a gun and I will be in the water.  One of my former mentor group buddies had a signoff that said it all;

I do what another man won't do today so I can do what another man can't do tomorrow.   

Down for a treadmill run with speed work and strength work with yoga/stretching/foam rollers after.

BTW, did I mention we were out shooping and I decided as a lark to try on 32 inch pants.  THEY FIT!  Tight for work, but they did fit.   I bought 33s. Wearing them now   That is down from a 50 inch waist.  When I tested at the local university, I had a 13% body fat rating...considered "learn."  Doing the math, I had 8 pounds to shave for 10% which is the lower limit they recommend for endurance athletes because the fat stores are what we draw on over time.  I think I've made the 10%.  I will weigh one of these days.  


I drag myself out of bed by looking at the clock and saying "Oh $hi*, I'm gonna be late for work!"

My sleep is all messed up as I don't actually get home from work until about 11:30pm on Mondays and can't wind down until typically 1am at the earliest.

Like the quote!

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Congrats on the weight loss!  That body fat % is very impressive.  I need to knuckle down on my bad late night eating to get rid of my last 5-7lbs.  Did you have any issues with late night eating and, if so, how'd you overcome them?

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zee744 - 2011-01-03 9:14 AM
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How do you drag yourself out of bed?  Difficult some days but goals are the key for me.  Races don't wait for me to get ready. Ready or not, they will fire a gun and I will be in the water.  One of my former mentor group buddies had a signoff that said it all;

I do what another man won't do today so I can do what another man can't do tomorrow.   

Down for a treadmill run with speed work and strength work with yoga/stretching/foam rollers after.

BTW, did I mention we were out shooping and I decided as a lark to try on 32 inch pants.  THEY FIT!  Tight for work, but they did fit.   I bought 33s. Wearing them now   That is down from a 50 inch waist.  When I tested at the local university, I had a 13% body fat rating...considered "learn."  Doing the math, I had 8 pounds to shave for 10% which is the lower limit they recommend for endurance athletes because the fat stores are what we draw on over time.  I think I've made the 10%.  I will weigh one of these days.  


I drag myself out of bed by looking at the clock and saying "Oh $hi*, I'm gonna be late for work!"

My sleep is all messed up as I don't actually get home from work until about 11:30pm on Mondays and can't wind down until typically 1am at the earliest.

Like the quote!


I have a hard time getting up at 5AM if I'm still up at 11:30PM too.  I can manage that occasionally (like once every couple weeks) but not daily like you're doing. 
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Here are a couple before/after shots for people interested in weight loss. 

Before would have been 2000-late 2004.  After was June 2005, during the backpacking trip. 





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So, between taking a few vacation days and agency holiday day's off, I haven't been to work since 12/23.  Today was my first day back - or at least I thought it was; turns out today was another agency holiday (1/1 observed).  I didn't realize this until I stopped for coffee on my way into work and ran into a couple of co-workers who told me they just figured it out too!

What a nice surprise!  I am now kind of at a loss because Monday's are usually rest days for me, but I have all this unexpected time on my hands and it is a beautiful day - 60* as I write this.  I know rest is important, but I think I need to get out and enjoy the day.  Maybe an easy bike ride.... or maybe an evening swim with the masters group....or maybe I'll just take a nap

Happy Monday!

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2011-01-03 9:43 AM
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Here's mine. 2005 to 2009.  My profile pic is Sept. 2010 the morning off the half IM



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Congrats Mike & Scott! Quite the life change!! I have no before/after shots. Maybe come March/April I will.
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I love the before and after shots! 
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AWESOME jobs, Iceman and McFuzz!  That is quite an accomplishment!!!!!!!  not only the weight loss, but the better health gained from including an active lifestyle too!


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zee744 - 2011-01-03 8:59 AM Need some suggestions. I have a pretty busy schedule and have 29 weeks to train for IMLP. If I didn't mention it before, I work two jobs. Mon-Fri, 9am-5pm at my FT job and Mon & Friday 6pm-11pm and Saturday 4pm-11pm at my PT job (yes, student loans are a real pleasure!!). I also have an hour+ of drving total to/from work each day. Last time I trained for IMLP I had soooo much more time on my hands. I typically run on my lunch for 30min every day on the TM. Sunday, Tuesday-Thursday and Saturday I clearly have time for extended workouts. It comes down to getting some in on Monday and Friday. Monday will most likely be a "rest day" with just my short lunch run, if I feel like it.

My questions:

1) Should I try and get up Friday before work for a workout?It would probably be a run since I won't drive out of my way to the pool in the morning and I won't subject the other apts. in my house to a 6am trainer ride on my mag+. I'm not a morning person AT ALL. I have a hard enough time getting to work for 9. Leading me to...

2) How do you drag yourself out of bed in the morning? Who wants to be my wake up call/bring me my coffee? Laughing Laura didn't seem too fond of the idea Tongue out Cream and sugar in my coffee or a seasonal latte from Starbucks will suffice.

3) I'm thinking about only running on my lunch 2-3 days a week with the other 2-3 days being a lift. Thoughts? I've been weight trainging for 12 years, so I'll be able to pick that up no problem.

Be prepared for follow up questions. Thanks!!


OK Zee,  Here is a small bit of advice from one busy person to another.  I own three businesses, so I completely understand time constraints...  You should take a look at the 20 IM training plann offered here on BT.

I would highly recomend that you print out the plan and look it over closely.  The first few weeks look easy (pay attention to the last 8 weeks - that is where the long workouts will take place).  If you are going to commit to IMLP you should make sure you are able to commit to the long hours of training.  Ironman is a lifesucker (just trying to keep it real) but it is all worth it in the end.  Starts out with simple 6-8 hours per week and ends up like another part time job by week 16 you are putting in 3-4 times that much with only one off day per week.

My theory on the training plan is this, I can adjust the workouts day to day to fit my schedule, so long as at the end of the week, I still hit my planned totals.  It worked for me,  and I did not have any real endurance issues.  I atribute that to the fact that I put in the time.  There are no shortcuts to training for a race of that calibur.  If it were easy there would not have been a 15% DNF rate at the race I did last summer.

Happy to give you more detailed info, feel free to email me at [email protected]  Josh
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zee744 - 2011-01-03 8:59 AM Need some suggestions. I have a pretty busy schedule and have 29 weeks to train for IMLP. If I didn't mention it before, I work two jobs. Mon-Fri, 9am-5pm at my FT job and Mon & Friday 6pm-11pm and Saturday 4pm-11pm at my PT job (yes, student loans are a real pleasure!!). I also have an hour+ of drving total to/from work each day. Last time I trained for IMLP I had soooo much more time on my hands. I typically run on my lunch for 30min every day on the TM. Sunday, Tuesday-Thursday and Saturday I clearly have time for extended workouts. It comes down to getting some in on Monday and Friday. Monday will most likely be a "rest day" with just my short lunch run, if I feel like it.

My questions:

1) Should I try and get up Friday before work for a workout?It would probably be a run since I won't drive out of my way to the pool in the morning and I won't subject the other apts. in my house to a 6am trainer ride on my mag+. I'm not a morning person AT ALL. I have a hard enough time getting to work for 9. Leading me to...

2) How do you drag yourself out of bed in the morning? Who wants to be my wake up call/bring me my coffee? Laughing Laura didn't seem too fond of the idea Tongue out Cream and sugar in my coffee or a seasonal latte from Starbucks will suffice.

3) I'm thinking about only running on my lunch 2-3 days a week with the other 2-3 days being a lift. Thoughts? I've been weight trainging for 12 years, so I'll be able to pick that up no problem.

Be prepared for follow up questions. Thanks!!


OK Zee,  Here is a small bit of advice from one busy person to another.  I own three businesses, so I completely understand time constraints...  You should take a look at the 20 IM training plann offered here on BT.

I would highly recomend that you print out the plan and look it over closely.  The first few weeks look easy (pay attention to the last 8 weeks - that is where the long workouts will take place).  If you are going to commit to IMLP you should make sure you are able to commit to the long hours of training.  Ironman is a lifesucker (just trying to keep it real) but it is all worth it in the end.  Starts out with simple 6-8 hours per week and ends up like another part time job by week 16 you are putting in 3-4 times that much with only one off day per week.

My theory on the training plan is this, I can adjust the workouts day to day to fit my schedule, so long as at the end of the week, I still hit my planned totals.  It worked for me,  and I did not have any real endurance issues.  I atribute that to the fact that I put in the time.  There are no shortcuts to training for a race of that calibur.  If it were easy there would not have been a 15% DNF rate at the race I did last summer.

Happy to give you more detailed info, feel free to email me at [email protected]  Josh


I have already done an Ironman, so I know the effort/training involved. I have a 30 week Ironman training plan already. I have to adjust it as at the moment I can't swim as much as necessary and I don't really need to as I'm a fairly strong swimmer. I'm basically just looking for input on the specific things I asked (Friday, waking up, weight training). Thanks for your response/info, its greatly appreciated.
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I was really looking foward for today and start the training, right after the kids went to school, I was 30 min into a run when a call from work came in and I had to cut it short.

At least started something, just not as long as I wanted.
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ricmachado - 2011-01-03 12:02 PM I was really looking foward for today and start the training, right after the kids went to school, I was 30 min into a run when a call from work came in and I had to cut it short.

At least started something, just not as long as I wanted.


30 mins is better than nothing, way better.  Have a great day!
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