'The' Gun Thread (Page 17)

Very interesting indeed. 

I have a new project for the weekend.  I am a bullpup fan.  I have an MSAR 556, two UTS-15s on the way and I recently built a Kushnapup.  I just got my SGWorks kit to bullpup an SKS.  What is really cool is that I has 4 mags backordered since January and my kit was backordered from 2/4.  Both arrived yesterday.  I was impressed.

I just installed my SGWorks bullpup on my SKS a few weeks ago. It is an awesome kit!

My SKS is a Norinco Sporter so it takes AK mags and has a 16 inch barrel. Looks and feels awesome in the SG kit. 

Sweet!  I picked up this SKS in a cracked stock sale for $175 for it makes a perfect candidate for the bullpup kit.  It's a Yugo and the only time we had ever fired it was to use the golfball launcher.  ;-)  I may actually have a reason to take it to the range now.

I am at work so I am behind a filter but does anyone know if the kits are CA legal?

I believe they are since Shernic Gun Works is out of California.

Kushnapup with a polychoke

Might have to go buy an SKS then.

Yup, pretty sure the SG kit is fine as long as you keep the standard 10 round sks mag and don't go with the duckbills. 

If you are going to go with an SG kit order the kit first. Takes 5-6 weeks to get one. 

Are the CA ones a mag or stripper clip? I've seen both.

I think if you take the 2A out of the equation completely it's still impossible to prevent or even decrease these kinds of events at the gun level.

I know the big news mass shootings lately have been conducted with rifles, but they would have been equally as deadly with handguns or shotguns.  So banning all rifles of a certainly type, in my opinion does nothing to prevent another mass shooting, even assuming that the authorities could get 100% of the rifles off the street.  Obviously they couldn't.

Second option would be to ban all guns of all types.  If they were able to get 100% of them off the street, then yes it would likely prevent or at the least reduce mass shootings, but this isn't a viable scenario because there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation.

So, it leads me to believe that the only true solution is to try and minimize the response times and minimize the severity of mass shootings by eliminating gun free zones and allowing people who choose to defend themselves and others the option to do so.  I don't personally like the idea of arming teachers, but I do like the idea of giving teachers and parents who have a valid CCW the option to carry on school grounds.  If/When a mass shooter thug shows up there will be an immediate response onsite which at the very least will slow the bad guy down, or even stop him.  There's also the unknown benefit of preventing it in the first place because these people are cowards.  If they know somebody may be armed they could opt to not attack in the first place.

There's no question that people on both sides of the gun debate want the same things when it comes to the safety of our kids in schools.  It would be nice if we could pass a law that would prevent these kinds of things, but we've already got laws on the books that make everything the kid in CT did illegal so how would another law make anyone safer.

I would never want to compel somebody to own a gun that doesn't want to.  That in my opinion is truly dangerous.  That's one of the reasons I don't support "arming teachers".  There are a lot of teachers who absolutely do not and never will want to use a gun.  However, there are some who do which is where I fall on the side of letting them.

Oh yeah, another viable solution that would reduce these kinds of mass shootings that would infringe on another right.  Media blackout!  Ban media outlets at every level from covering mass shootings.  Most of these thugs want the notoriety so why give it to them.  If they know that nobody will even know then it takes the wind right out of their sails.  Obviously this isn't a realistic solution, but there is some truth to it.

Standard SKS is a 10 round magwell, you would use stripper clips with it.

You can remove the magwell and use a "duckbill" mag in an SKS but I have only seen them in 20 and 30 round versions. I have never seen a 10 round duckbill but it could exist. I'd just stick with the stock magwell if I lived in Commiefornia.

SG doesn't send any mags, you just install it over what you have. So a stock SKS with a SG kit should be cali legal. Unless you have length restrictions that I don't know about. Mine is really short but a standard 20 inch barrel SKS should be fine I would think. 

Here is the blurb from the FAQ on their site. 

It is compatible with California state laws as long as it is utilized with a 10 round fixed magazine, is no shorter than 30″ (on a Chinese Paratrooper with a 16″ barrel, the total length will only be 26 and 3/8 of an inch, which can easily be fixed by adding a US made muzzle attachment), and is compliant with the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968. Please refer to our compliancy page for more information.

Cool now I got some stuff to look at.

Personally, I would never attempt to encourage anyone who doesn't own guns to own them unless they ask.  I have helped several people purchase firearms but if it was there first I took them to the range and taught them basic safety situations first.  In my opinion there is no such thing as a gun accident unless we are talking about a mechanical malfunction and even then, rarely should anyone be hurt.  Even in the case of a squib, one should be vigilant enough to verify that it is OK to safely fire another round.  There are negligible discharges and I believe those gun owners are responsible and should be held accountable. 

Sorry for getting off topic with that rant but irresponsible people anger me.

As for stopping mass homicides, who knows.  It doesn't matter to me what equipment they use.  I don't want it happening with anything.  They have an issue with mass stabbings in China.  I think the focus on these anomolies is misguided.  In my opinion, we need to do a Pareto Analysis on violent crime.  From what I have found, I would personally like to see violent criminals never let out of prison.  I would also like to see follow up on those who have failed a background check.

Even with the bolded you have to be very careful.  Simple assault and many other "non violent" types of offenses in the way you are thinking are legally "crimes of violence" in many jurisdictions.  So you just put the kid who got in a bar fight in college away for life. 

What did you use to launch golf balls? I can't find the adapter or grenade launching blanks anywhere. 

How about c.) do away with gun free zones and allow those who are willing and able to accept and take the responsibility to own and carry a concealed weapon the right and ability to do so.

Take a look at the majority of mass shootings, where did they occur?

The Colorado theater shooter, he had a number of theaters showing batman or dark night closer to him but he picked one where the theater forbid honest law abiding citizens to carry guns.

Nobody other than the criminal gun grabbers have suggested forcing people to carry guns that I'm aware of.

This site sells the launcher and the blanks.  http://www.bloomautomatic.com/

That is how made mine.  I only have one for the SKS.

crusevegas - 2013-03-29 6:58 PM

Isn't that "The Edge" from U2?

It actually is Edge from U2, as someone pointed out.

The quote itself, it is something of an over-generalization, sort of like this picture...

... sort of.