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2012-08-07 8:30 PM
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2012-08-07 8:40 PM
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I've always thought the measurement was from the top of the saddle to the bolt in the middle of the bottom bracket? But I could be wrong on that. Nose of saddle to center of bars?

Are you using the same saddle, shoes, cleats?

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2012-08-07 8:48 PM
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Fred D - 2012-08-08 9:30 AM
TSimone - 2012-08-07 9:28 PMDon't know the specifics of your data, Fred, but you can try this yourself. For example, my fit sheet specifies the distance from the heel of the seat to the center of the shift bolts. Similar specifics for the cockpit with respect to reference points.
. I have data on the seat to the BB, but where do you measure from? Ie; from top of seat to where on the BB? Also I have seat to front bar measurements and are these to the front of the bullhorns etc? Anyone?

Pretty detailed information here from one of the world's best fitters (okay, I'm a little biased, but he's up there):

http://www.elitebicycles.com/tech_tut_fit.php

Centre of saddle (front to back) to the middle of the bolt of the bottom bracket as far as seat height, and info on everything else.

2012-08-07 10:37 PM
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Fred D - 2012-08-07 9:30 PM
TSimone - 2012-08-07 9:28 PMDon't know the specifics of your data, Fred, but you can try this yourself. For example, my fit sheet specifies the distance from the heel of the seat to the center of the shift bolts. Similar specifics for the cockpit with respect to reference points.
. I have data on the seat to the BB, but where do you measure from? Ie; from top of seat to where on the BB? Also I have seat to front bar measurements and are these to the front of the bullhorns etc? Anyone?

Depends on fitter how they measure. My last fit guy puts together a diagram with measurements and how and where to measure from.

Can you contact fitter who did your fit to get details on exactly where the measurements were taken from.

2012-08-08 1:58 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-07 3:20 PM I was able to have my heel on the pedal at 6 with a straight leg. Now to figure out the fore/aft aspect of the seat. I have all the measurements and just should bring them into my lbs and see if they can line it up?

still looks a little high.  I think your second picture with the old frame/fit looks really good.  The thing about placing your heel on the pedal with a straight leg is to make sure you aren't leaning over to that side.  Very easy to do.  And even at that...that method is just a "ball park".

Good idea to take the coordinates to your LBS and see what they can do...especially if you need your seat cut. 

 

2012-08-08 5:34 AM
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2012-08-08 6:07 AM
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Hey Fred,
 
In my opinion order of importance for a bike fit is;
 
  1. Knee angle
  2. Hip angle
  3. Comfort
  4. Power
 
4 and 5 can flip flop depending on what type of ride, hills, flats, Iron distance verses sprint.
 
Have the LBS check the knee angles both sides in a level position.  All your shots your back wheel is elevated close to 2 inches.  This is critical to be level in bike fit and mm of change can be huge adjustments.
2012-08-08 7:33 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-08 6:34 PM
TriAya - 2012-08-07 9:48 PM

Fred D - 2012-08-08 9:30 AM
TSimone - 2012-08-07 9:28 PMDon't know the specifics of your data, Fred, but you can try this yourself. For example, my fit sheet specifies the distance from the heel of the seat to the center of the shift bolts. Similar specifics for the cockpit with respect to reference points.
. I have data on the seat to the BB, but where do you measure from? Ie; from top of seat to where on the BB? Also I have seat to front bar measurements and are these to the front of the bullhorns etc? Anyone?

Pretty detailed information here from one of the world's best fitters (okay, I'm a little biased, but he's up there):

http://www.elitebicycles.com/tech_tut_fit.php

Centre of saddle (front to back) to the middle of the bolt of the bottom bracket as far as seat height, and info on everything else.

. That's my fitter, David Greenfield. Thanks a lot, spent a bunch of time using those diagrams to work on things.

If David is your fitter, he will help you forward forever and ever amen. Seriously. Get him on Skype and let him check out how you look, especially pedaling.

[email protected]

2012-08-08 7:53 AM
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Fred - not that you need a 20th opinion, but I agree with the others.  One thing that stood out for me was the angle of your back from the pic you described as the perfect fit vs. the others - you seem slightly more upright in that photo, although the camera angle and helmet may throw things off a bit.
2012-08-08 8:08 AM
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HA I meant 3 and 4 can flip flop IMO...........
 
 
Well I am now feeling normal from my 15 mile hilly run on Sunday.  I got real nervous well actually disgusted and not confident I was fit on Tuesday.  I was just not recovered from the run. 
 
Getting caught up on the last 10 pages.
 
 
 
Jason - great job at the race.  So theHawaiiofficials needs glasses.  Still 3rd CAT 4 State champ in my book.
 
Neil -  Great job at the sprint!
 
Chris – Congratulations on the Haleakala summit! 
 
Tom - glad you are all right!  Did you hit your head?  Any scuffs on the helmet?  Is so might think about getting a new one. 
 
Marc – Bird lover!  That’s cool I am sure we all would have done the same.  Last month I turned around in the road to save a 10 ft black snake, and 6 inch lizard and a very pissed off snapping turtle.  All on one ride Catherine (Our oldest) called me the Triathlete Dr Doolittle.
 
Rusty – That was one big tree.  I may do IronmanSwitzerlandin 2014. 
 
Arend and Byron – Thanks for the comments on the swim workout.  Arend I think your right bout the 200’s.  I should have put a little more effort in them.  Byron the work out was a moderate effort not fatigued or gassed.  I guess gassed means out of breath.  I did figure the out my sync issue.  I was rushing my catch in the stroke.
 
Fred - I love the new bike.  That machine is going to do you proud.  You “I also added an 11-28 cassette to the bike which is on it now”  Is that the plan for IMMT? 

 

 



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tasr - 2012-08-08 8:09 AM

Some good advice in this article. 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/03/health/wellington-rest-recovery/index.html?hpt=hp_bn12

 

 

Great article !! Thanks

Sometimes I get the impression that bike/run fall into one group and swim in another and that I can do even a hard swim on a recovery day.

What do you guys think ?

2012-08-08 8:36 AM
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marcag - 2012-08-08 9:26 PM
tasr - 2012-08-08 8:09 AM

Some good advice in this article. 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/03/health/wellington-rest-recovery/index.html?hpt=hp_bn12

 

 

Great article !! Thanks

Sometimes I get the impression that bike/run fall into one group and swim in another and that I can do even a hard swim on a recovery day.

What do you guys think ?

Same here. I can do a hard swim after a long run. I wonder if this is more true for people comfy with swimming?

2012-08-08 8:45 AM
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I think the article was clear.  Easy days after hard day. 
 
While probable most can swim hard after a hard run or bike.  The point is still to do easy. 

Remember resting the aerobic and cardiovascular system in you body is needed as well.

 

 

2012-08-08 8:58 AM
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tasr - 2012-08-08 9:45 PM

I think the article was clear.  Easy days after hard day. 
 
While probable most can swim hard after a hard run or bike.  The point is still to do easy. 

Remember resting the aerobic and cardiovascular system in you body is needed as well.

 

 

Indeed. I *can* do XYZ but it doesn't mean I should, or actually do. Unless it's some really weird time crunch or scheduling and that's the only way it's going to happen.

I also need the mental break (I know "mental" isn't some category separable from physical but you guys know what I mean). Some workouts are very stress relieving and let-it-all-out but many are quite focused and I need both.



2012-08-08 8:58 AM
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An easy day in the pool for me just means I don't go quite as hard and probably shorter than usual.  

Get your mind out of the gutter Yanti....   Wink

2012-08-08 9:00 AM
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To me pushing thu hard day after hard day is a fine line.  That line is all about getting faster, fitter and stressing the body more. 
 
I am in NO way saying this is OK for ALL and it is my own training philosophy.
 
I still take easy days, rest and days off.  Really depending on the stress I endure and the recovery I get. 
 
For example last Friday I ran pretty much a sub 6:00 10K pace, Saturday hard hilly bike, Sunday a long 15 mile hilly run (more tempo) and a ez Swim that night.  Monday was ez run and Tuesday was a long swim working on upper body.  Today is going to be crazy so check my logs tonight.  I am off to workout.  

 

 

2012-08-08 9:08 AM
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axteraa - 2012-08-08 9:58 PM

An easy day in the pool for me just means I don't go quite as hard and probably shorter than usual.  

Get your mind out of the gutter Yanti....   Wink

Even a lot less than your crazy hard and crazy long would do the job just fine!

Yes ... it really depends on the individual, training load, external stressors, etc. The better shape you're in (trained to train, so to speak), recovery dialed in and nutrition solid the more you can do.

I do plan my workouts so they're fairly balanced across the week in terms of their goal/focus (structure, effort level, etc.)

I don't schedule any rest or recovery days; they will present themselves. My life is somewhat (extremely) unpredictable, so I just take time off or dial down when needed.

2012-08-08 9:20 AM
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TriAya - 2012-08-08 11:08 AM 

I don't schedule any rest or recovery days; they will present themselves. My life is somewhat (extremely) unpredictable, so I just take time off or dial down when needed.

This has always been my approach in the past although I am trying hard to follow my IM plan and stick to the rest days.  I'm not very good at it though - I have already cheated once on a rest day during the taper and did an easy 20 min run.

2012-08-08 9:33 AM
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axteraa - 2012-08-08 10:20 PM
TriAya - 2012-08-08 11:08 AM 

I don't schedule any rest or recovery days; they will present themselves. My life is somewhat (extremely) unpredictable, so I just take time off or dial down when needed.

This has always been my approach in the past although I am trying hard to follow my IM plan and stick to the rest days.  I'm not very good at it though - I have already cheated once on a rest day during the taper and did an easy 20 min run.

Sorry if I missed this info, but out of curiosity, which IM plan have you been following?



2012-08-08 9:36 AM
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TriAya - 2012-08-08 11:33 AM
axteraa - 2012-08-08 10:20 PM
TriAya - 2012-08-08 11:08 AM 

I don't schedule any rest or recovery days; they will present themselves. My life is somewhat (extremely) unpredictable, so I just take time off or dial down when needed.

This has always been my approach in the past although I am trying hard to follow my IM plan and stick to the rest days.  I'm not very good at it though - I have already cheated once on a rest day during the taper and did an easy 20 min run.

Sorry if I missed this info, but out of curiosity, which IM plan have you been following?

The BT Advanced Ironman plan.  You know the one that says you should have done 1 or 2 Ironmans before following it.... 

I told you I wasn't good at following advice.  

2012-08-08 9:46 AM
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axteraa - 2012-08-08 10:36 PM
TriAya - 2012-08-08 11:33 AM
axteraa - 2012-08-08 10:20 PM
TriAya - 2012-08-08 11:08 AM 

I don't schedule any rest or recovery days; they will present themselves. My life is somewhat (extremely) unpredictable, so I just take time off or dial down when needed.

This has always been my approach in the past although I am trying hard to follow my IM plan and stick to the rest days.  I'm not very good at it though - I have already cheated once on a rest day during the taper and did an easy 20 min run.

Sorry if I missed this info, but out of curiosity, which IM plan have you been following?

The BT Advanced Ironman plan.  You know the one that says you should have done 1 or 2 Ironmans before following it.... 

I told you I wasn't good at following advice.  

Speaking of which, I was watching Jonathan Brownlee stomp all over the legs of his wetsuit which was sticking on his heels. He was trying to put his helmet on at the same time but was clearly distracted. Definitely not a smooth one-off removal, so I was thinking of you Tongue out

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marcag - 2012-08-08 9:26 AM
tasr - 2012-08-08 8:09 AM

Some good advice in this article. 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/03/health/wellington-rest-recovery/index.html?hpt=hp_bn12

 

Great article !! Thanks

Sometimes I get the impression that bike/run fall into one group and swim in another and that I can do even a hard swim on a recovery day.

What do you guys think ?

I've taken a lot fewer days off this summer, but for the most part, following a hard day/days I'm usually doing an easier swim in the pool.  Staying active, but not putting additional stresses on the body.

As for Chrissie's comment about sitting on the couch for a day once every 7-10 days, my wife may have something to say about that.Undecided

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