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 2013-08-14 8:03 AM in reply to: awal1 |
 Grand Rapids |  Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official ThreadSo far, so good on the training here. I'm just happy that my body has been able to take everything that I've been dishing out thus far. As far as fatigue and soreness goe, I've been sticking to my foam roller and Hammer Xobaline regimen. Seems to work for me. |
| 2013-08-14 8:12 AM in reply to: thefitmitten |
Extreme Veteran  1986    Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. |
| 2013-08-14 8:14 AM in reply to: Jorgito22 |
Expert 1130 Fernandina Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by Jorgito22 Hows everyones training going? After having a rough 2nd half of season: faded in last mile of Philly trirock, than had a horrible slow swim in a 1.5 mile OWS race, than over slept and missed an olympic race, with only 1 race left before IM Florida, im really buckeling down....training has been good just havent been able to put it together in races in the 2nd half.....but its time to ramp the distances up. Also just bought my airline ticket, man next thing you know we will all be at the starting line.....oh man..... Training's going good here. It's hot in FL though glad this race isn't until Nov. Finished my last race before IMFL 2 weeks ago so it's nothing but IM training from here on out. Getting in more miles on my bike than ever. Going on vacation in a week and a half, for a full week I won't be able to do anything but run. At first I wasn't thrilled about possibly losing bike fitness but now I'm thinking of it as a nice refresher before the final stretch. I mean how much bike fitness could I possibly lose over a week? |
| 2013-08-14 8:19 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
| Regular 83 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. For anyone that is curious.... http://www.ironman.com/~/media/9c44fbb28639407faffddd3ac3528639/cda... |
| 2013-08-14 9:44 AM in reply to: awal1 |
| Member 763 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by awal1 Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. For anyone that is curious.... http://www.ironman.com/~/media/9c44fbb28639407faffddd3ac3528639/cda... I wonder if you finish before 12pm, but outside of 17 hours, do they still say "John Doe you're an Ironman" and give you a medal, or are they going to have a secondary exit for those folks? How did they handle this situation at IMCDA? Will the race have clocks along the run route that tell you your individual net time? I guess having your own watch is now more important than ever, especially for folks who expect to finish in the 15-17 hour range. |
| 2013-08-14 9:51 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Veteran 784 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread How will these rolling start go? Will they have it by age groups or seeding your self by time? I am curious about the details of the start, |
| 2013-08-14 9:55 AM in reply to: Jorgito22 |
| Grand Rapids | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by Jorgito22 How will these rolling start go? Will they have it by age groups or seeding your self by time? I am curious about the details of the start, It's all self seeding to my understanding. |
| 2013-08-14 11:08 AM in reply to: thefitmitten |
Veteran 220 Plant City, Florida Bronze member | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread MCDA was self seeding (i did the race it is a great town and a good race). I was skeptical as I am with any change. this was a simple process and is all up to the athlete on where and when they want to enter the fray. if you have done marathons or such you will be familiar with the setup, they will have volunteers with signs displaying times. My predicted time was between 1:30 to 1:40 so I lined up with those folks. the gun went off and the under 1 hour folks were off, it was a steady stream without stopping. as your group came up you would cross the mat and off you went. there was a bit but not much combat swimming. This was a two loop course just like IMFL (no waves its a very smooth lake). as long as you seed with the right folks you have little chance of getting a swim over. I was out right at 1:30 and happy with that. I think the most disappointment was from the folks watching, a mass start is an awesome sight and IMFL has one of the better for the mayhem that ensues at the gun. It's not a wave start like IM Louisville but more of a controlled mass start. |
| 2013-08-14 11:18 AM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Veteran 220 Plant City, Florida Bronze member | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by LarchmontTri Originally posted by awal1 Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. For anyone that is curious.... http://www.ironman.com/~/media/9c44fbb28639407faffddd3ac3528639/cda... I wonder if you finish before 12pm, but outside of 17 hours, do they still say "John Doe you're an Ironman" and give you a medal, or are they going to have a secondary exit for those folks? How did they handle this situation at IMCDA? Will the race have clocks along the run route that tell you your individual net time? I guess having your own watch is now more important than ever, especially for folks who expect to finish in the 15-17 hour range. They will announce, give the medal - the results however show a DNF - or that was the answer given at a IMCDA FAQ session. I stayed around until the midnight bell at a few of my IM's in the past and there is still a bunch of folks cheering in the few past midnight (not much past I would image). these people still crossed the line - they handed them the medal, shirt,hat etc, one or two times they would announce the accomplishment of distance but not mention "you are an Ironman", its sad but fair. |
| 2013-08-14 12:22 PM in reply to: aintaround |
Veteran 784 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread ok so say I start in the 2 hour swim range, im guessing they will be moving this process along, so lets say I start 15 mins after the first wave Does do I get that time back, saying if I finish after 12am but within the 17 hours from WHEN I STARTED, would it show up as a DNF? |
| 2013-08-14 1:26 PM in reply to: Jorgito22 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by Jorgito22 ok so say I start in the 2 hour swim range, im guessing they will be moving this process along, so lets say I start 15 mins after the first wave Does do I get that time back, saying if I finish after 12am but within the 17 hours from WHEN I STARTED, would it show up as a DNF? My understanding at CdA and LP was that everyone was in the water by or before 7am. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. To the point of your question - you'll be automatically DNF'd (or DQ'd or whatever) if your chip time exceeds 16:59:59. For example, you could in theory finish at 11:45pm and get DNF'd if your race day started at 6:40am because your finish time would be 17:05. |
| 2013-08-14 1:30 PM in reply to: Jorgito22 |
Veteran 283 Va Beach | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread It's still chip time, so you would be OK. I'm doing IMMT on Sunday and they are doing age group waves 3 min apart. I start at 06:54 and the last group is in at 07:00 so the midnight time is not an issue. Not sure if CDA or LP started before 7 AM or not. I would rather do a rolling, self seeded start than age group, 6 waves ahead of me is a lot of folks to go through. At least with self seeded rolling starts, if you get crushed, it's your own fault. 3 min apart age group start is going to get ugly I think. |
| 2013-08-14 1:37 PM in reply to: katybug34 |
Champion 7704  Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by katybug34 Just booked a 2BR at Shores of Panama. I didn't book online but rather called their number. How far from Boardwalk is this resort? Maybe like 1/3rd of a mile. Its walkable. Just be careful how much time you spend on your feet in teh day sleading up to the race. Its easy to get caught up in the excitement and over do it. Plan everything. Don't stand if you can sit don't sit if you can lay down. |
| 2013-08-14 1:39 PM in reply to: aintaround |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by aintaround MCDA was self seeding (i did the race it is a great town and a good race). I was skeptical as I am with any change. this was a simple process and is all up to the athlete on where and when they want to enter the fray. if you have done marathons or such you will be familiar with the setup, they will have volunteers with signs displaying times. My predicted time was between 1:30 to 1:40 so I lined up with those folks. the gun went off and the under 1 hour folks were off, it was a steady stream without stopping. as your group came up you would cross the mat and off you went. there was a bit but not much combat swimming. This was a two loop course just like IMFL (no waves its a very smooth lake). as long as you seed with the right folks you have little chance of getting a swim over. I was out right at 1:30 and happy with that. I think the most disappointment was from the folks watching, a mass start is an awesome sight and IMFL has one of the better for the mayhem that ensues at the gun. It's not a wave start like IM Louisville but more of a controlled mass start. Seeing a mass IM swim start is one of the most amazing things in sport. I think its a shme they are diluting it personally. I will say a LOT of people at Placid just got trampled the second loop so not really sure how much good this staggered approach is working out for them. |
| 2013-08-14 1:52 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 134 Murfreesboro, TN | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. I HIGHLY doubt they will change IMFL from a mass "self seeded" start. Being on a real beach, it is not confined as some of these other lake/river swims. I just don't see them doing it here. Edited by Chris.1333 2013-08-14 1:55 PM |
| 2013-08-14 2:00 PM in reply to: rjrankin83 |
Veteran 134 Murfreesboro, TN | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by rjrankin83 Finished my last race before IMFL 2 weeks ago so it's nothing but IM training from here on out. Getting in more miles on my bike than ever. Going on vacation in a week and a half, for a full week I won't be able to do anything but run. At first I wasn't thrilled about possibly losing bike fitness but now I'm thinking of it as a nice refresher before the final stretch. I mean how much bike fitness could I possibly lose over a week? Same boat as me. I'm going down to Ft Walton (right down the beach from PCB) the 2nd week of October for the whole week. I might bring the bike down to just tool around, nothing serious. Probably run and swim in the gulf some. It will probably be good for both of us to knock off the bike for a week, looking at your logs (and mine too) i'll be ready for a nice break to recover at that time. Good luck. |
| 2013-08-14 4:10 PM in reply to: Chris.1333 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by Chris.1333 Originally posted by GMAN 19030 I HIGHLY doubt they will change IMFL from a mass "self seeded" start. Being on a real beach, it is not confined as some of these other lake/river swims. I just don't see them doing it here. Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. Confinement has nothing to do with it. |
| 2013-08-14 4:38 PM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Expert 769 Murfreesboro, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread It might be a little more difficult to change the start at IMFL due to the time the sun rises. I know at 6:30 it was still dark on the beach. The pros started at 6:50 and it was just getting light enough to be a safe swim. I'm not sure they could get everyone in the water by 7:00 if they do a rolling start or waves. |
| 2013-08-15 4:30 PM in reply to: aintaround |
| Veteran 379 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by aintaround Originally posted by LarchmontTri Originally posted by awal1 Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Everyone start preparing for the very distinct possibility the swim gets changed to a rolling start for this year and future years. I'd just about guarantee it's a done deal and will be announced soon. Apparently the feedback from CdA and LP has been so positive that it's the way WTC wants to go. Tahoe was just changed. They wanted to change Canada but couldn't due to a permit issue. Expect Wisc, FL and AZ to change this year as well. For anyone that is curious.... http://www.ironman.com/~/media/9c44fbb28639407faffddd3ac3528639/cda... I wonder if you finish before 12pm, but outside of 17 hours, do they still say "John Doe you're an Ironman" and give you a medal, or are they going to have a secondary exit for those folks? How did they handle this situation at IMCDA? Will the race have clocks along the run route that tell you your individual net time? I guess having your own watch is now more important than ever, especially for folks who expect to finish in the 15-17 hour range. They will announce, give the medal - the results however show a DNF - or that was the answer given at a IMCDA FAQ session. I stayed around until the midnight bell at a few of my IM's in the past and there is still a bunch of folks cheering in the few past midnight (not much past I would image). these people still crossed the line - they handed them the medal, shirt,hat etc, one or two times they would announce the accomplishment of distance but not mention "you are an Ironman", its sad but fair. I was at IMLP - people who finished well outside the 17 hour mark, but before midnight got the "you are in IM" shout. I am not a fan of the staggered start for two reasons - clock time takes more thinking as clock time is not clock time (i 'ran' with several people that were after 11pm finishers and nobody could say definitively what time they started nor how much time they had left before DNF. Second problem. for those of us who are super slow, this staggered start does not help with safety as us pokies are the most likely to have swim issues - yet, you are giving the pros a 20 minute headstart on us, the super good swimmer age groups significant head start, and so us pokies are getting beaten and battered but those on their second loop before we get halfway through our first. we dont have the ability to swim away, or stake out our space, or whatever else good swimmers do when they start getting punched and kicked by those faster than them. if we all started at the same time, at least I could be finishing first lap by the time they catch me and it is short lived |
| 2013-08-15 10:20 PM in reply to: sheesleeva |
Expert 1148 Santa Fe, New Mexico Silver member | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread The thing is that only the fastest, best swimmers will be overtaking you, and they have no interest in slowing down by having an interaction with you. They'll swim around. Remember these are the strongest and the best at sighting, and going where they want to go. In addition, the water at IMFL is very clear so it's pretty easy, once you're past the first scrum to swim around people. Additionally, on your last leg toward the beach you can take an outside line. The fast guys want to swim along the buoys. It's better to worry about the things you have some control over than to fret over this. If you're really concerned, get in the pool with some friends and practice swimming with some contact. It's really not that bad once you get used to it. The worst part is rougher water due to other swimmers. Suggest that you practice turning your head more toward the sky to breath. That helps me in rough water. Take at least one lap every swim workout to practice sighting. We can practice together on the morning swim days before the race. That should help calm your nerves too. |
| 2013-08-16 7:35 AM in reply to: jashac |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread The first 800m to the first turn buoy was a nightmare but after that it was the smoothest IM or HIM swim I have ever done. I finished the swim in 1:05 (fast-ish but not FOP by any means) and I more or less swam by myself the second loop. |
| 2013-08-16 10:05 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Veteran 220 Plant City, Florida Bronze member | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by GMAN 19030 The first 800m to the first turn buoy was a nightmare but after that it was the smoothest IM or HIM swim I have ever done. I finished the swim in 1:05 (fast-ish but not FOP by any means) and I more or less swam by myself the second loop. If you are a slow swimmer like me you are correct the first 800 can be a bit tough, I know this and go wide, its rare I have contact but it happens. The two buoys at the top are always an area for contact if you are not aware of those around you. if there are two people one of them will cut toward the buoy and then either stop or go into a breast stoke, side stoke, butterfly, back stoke, or some sort of hybrid. If there are more than 3 people it is nothing short of mayhem. Couple of reason I figure is some are trying to shorten the distance by 20 feet, some are lost, some can't see (this is where the morning sun is blinding). I add an extra 20 feet and forget about the combat swimming around the buoy (and rejoice in the fact I made it to the buoy). |
| 2013-08-16 11:25 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Veteran 220 Plant City, Florida Bronze member | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by GMAN 19030 The first 800m to the first turn buoy was a nightmare but after that it was the smoothest IM or HIM swim I have ever done. I finished the swim in 1:05 (fast-ish but not FOP by any means) and I more or less swam by myself the second loop. Oh yeah 1:05 is fast very nice. |
| 2013-08-17 10:19 PM in reply to: jashac |
| Veteran 379 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by jashac The thing is that only the fastest, best swimmers will be overtaking you, and they have no interest in slowing down by having an interaction with you. They'll swim around. Remember these are the strongest and the best at sighting, and going where they want to go. In addition, the water at IMFL is very clear so it's pretty easy, once you're past the first scrum to swim around people. Additionally, on your last leg toward the beach you can take an outside line. The fast guys want to swim along the buoys. It's better to worry about the things you have some control over than to fret over this. If you're really concerned, get in the pool with some friends and practice swimming with some contact. It's really not that bad once you get used to it. The worst part is rougher water due to other swimmers. Suggest that you practice turning your head more toward the sky to breath. That helps me in rough water. Take at least one lap every swim workout to practice sighting. We can practice together on the morning swim days before the race. That should help calm your nerves too. I was at LP - I saw it going down. yikes. the reality is, I have to think about it so I am prepared to deal with it rather than freak race day |
| 2013-08-20 10:42 AM in reply to: sheesleeva |
| Member 763 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Originally posted by sheesleeva Originally posted by jashac The thing is that only the fastest, best swimmers will be overtaking you, and they have no interest in slowing down by having an interaction with you. They'll swim around. Remember these are the strongest and the best at sighting, and going where they want to go. In addition, the water at IMFL is very clear so it's pretty easy, once you're past the first scrum to swim around people. Additionally, on your last leg toward the beach you can take an outside line. The fast guys want to swim along the buoys. It's better to worry about the things you have some control over than to fret over this. If you're really concerned, get in the pool with some friends and practice swimming with some contact. It's really not that bad once you get used to it. The worst part is rougher water due to other swimmers. Suggest that you practice turning your head more toward the sky to breath. That helps me in rough water. Take at least one lap every swim workout to practice sighting. We can practice together on the morning swim days before the race. That should help calm your nerves too. I was at LP - I saw it going down. yikes. the reality is, I have to think about it so I am prepared to deal with it rather than freak race day Last year at IMFL, people were spread out all over the beach for the start. Alot of people kept talking about a slight current that goes from right to left as you look out from the beach. So, alot of folks started way to the right of the buoy line assuming them would get pushed towards the buoys - and consquently, this helped decrease the huge scrum at the beginning. Also, people were lined up on the beach in de facto waves. In other words, the fast swimmers and super type-A folks were in the front and got into the water first. Many people, including myself, let those folks go first and then got into the water 5-30 seconds later, so that also helped spread folks out and consequently helped decrease the scrum. There was a big scrum at the turn buoys, that can't be helped - but its over quickly after you make the turn. Regardless, I still got shoved, pushed, swam over, etc...that said, I didn't think it was that much of a big deal. Nobody is out there to 'hurt' you. In fact, I think it helped me a bit. I remember at one point I was swimming and then got shoved/pushed by a few folks - well, it turned out I was not sighting that well at that point, so in fact, these guys actually helped me swim straighter. So, it's not all negative. Another thing about the IMFL swim - drafting is a huge help. With so many folks swimming in the same direction (more or less), there is a huge 'pull' from the giant crowd of swimmers. I was right in the middle of this, and I think it helped me along. The giant mass of swimmers did make the water less clear and you had to pay attention, but I think the 'pull' of the crowd outweighed any negatives. Good luck and enjoy! |
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