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2012-09-18 12:40 PM
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gearboy - 2012-09-18 12:06 PM

auto - 2012-09-18 8:06 AM

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Exactly.  A gun is like a spare tire, hope I never need, but if I do it's there.Cool  My bag contais, water filtration, Cliff, Mountain home, space blanket, MSR, fire, extra ammo, lights, UA pullover.

I've needed the spare tire on a couple of occasions.

bcart1991 - 2012-09-18 8:22 AM

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I haven't needed a helmet in almost 30 years of riding. I still wear one every time I go out, trail or road.

I've cracked a couple of helmets over the years (my motto - if you don't ever fall over, you are too far from the edge)

Brock Samson - 2012-09-18 10:30 AM 

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Not to change this into a gun thread, but I am a gun proponent and carry because I previoulsy worked in an industry in which as a result of my job mine and my families saftey have been threatened by individuals I felt would carry out the threat if they had the opportunity.

This I would agree with. And I know of psychiatrists who, as a result of their work, DID get threatened, and then carried until such time as the threat was no longer in place (e.g. the patient got incarcerated). My friend the ex-cop, and my friend who works for CYS as an investigator - they also have good reasons to carry.

I'm not anti-gun, but I also don't think they are something that everyone needs to have for some kind of insurance or safety.

You're correct.  Not everyone "needs" to carry.  But of course unless they are an exception they have the Constitutional Right to carry.



2012-09-18 12:53 PM
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Brock Samson - 2012-09-18 1:40 PM

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You're correct.  Not everyone "needs" to carry.  But of course unless they are an exception they have the Constitutional Right to carry.

I agree fully. I am looking at the thread as the "what do you carry in your car for emergency use" - I have other stuff in my car that is just for fun. 

2012-09-19 10:30 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-09-18 8:55 AM

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gearboy - 2012-09-16 12:30 PM OK, but that has never happened in over 30 years of driving.
I haven't needed a helmet in almost 30 years of riding. I still wear one every time I go out, trail or road.

Why do people insist on comparing "need" by using items that are so statistically divergent? Helmets, spare tires, various forms of insurance. Gun proponents; this is not helping your argument.

 

Statistically divergent?  Really?  Do you have the empirical data to make that claim?  I have "needed"  that gun the exact amount of times that a helmet has prevented a serious injury. I and many others treat/think of a gun like Helmets, spare tires, and other implements, as tool, a measure of assistance as when thing don't go as planned.

I have yet to meet a single person that control the future, plan for the unexpected, mitigate where possible and live.  How you get there is your business, but don't question the preparations of ohters.

2012-09-19 10:47 AM
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auto - 2012-09-19 11:30 AM 

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Statistically divergent?  Really?  Do you have the empirical data to make that claim?  I have "needed"  that gun the exact amount of times that a helmet has prevented a serious injury. I and many others treat/think of a gun like Helmets, spare tires, and other implements, as tool, a measure of assistance as when thing don't go as planned.

I have yet to meet a single person that control the future, plan for the unexpected, mitigate where possible and live.  How you get there is your business, but don't question the preparations of ohters.

I have needed my helmet, spare tires, some cash, my cell phone - but again, never needed a gun. Where I live, I do not prepare for earthquakes, but I do have preparations for snowstorms. Right now I have a lot of insurance, but when the kids are done with college and the mortgage paid off, I will carry a lot less, because the possible needs are going to be less (and I don't want to give mrs gearboy any more incentive to "off" me....)

Preparing for things should mean assessing the likelihood of an event occuring, and then taking reasonable steps to accomodate that possibility. I can easily imagine places, as I noted above, where having a gun is a very important and reasonable part of the preparation. Where I live and travel, not so much. No one is telling you not to have a gun. If you think, based on your circumstances, that you need a gun, fine. If you just want to have a gun, that's fine too. But it is not a part of "being prepared for a problem" at that point, anymore than the tennis balls and squeeky toys in the back of my vehicle are for a problem. They are for playing with the dog when we go to the park, and just for my own amusement, not to keep us safe.

2012-09-19 1:28 PM
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gearboy - 2012-09-19 11:47 AM

. . . the tennis balls and squeeky toys in the back of my vehicle . . . . They are . . . just for my own amusement . . . .

In the car?

 

2012-09-19 1:35 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-09-19 2:28 PM
gearboy - 2012-09-19 11:47 AM

. . . the tennis balls and squeeky toys in the back of my vehicle . . . . They are . . . just for my own amusement . . . .

In the car?

 

wow.  just, wow.



2012-09-19 1:38 PM
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mehaner - 2012-09-19 2:35 PM

wow.  just, wow.

For now.  Fine, for now.

 



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2012-09-19 3:33 PM
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tuwood - 2012-09-18 10:45 AM

Sweet, a gun thread...

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So, will I ever need my weapon?  Probably not, but I choose to never be in a situation where I need my weapon and don't have it with me.

Until you're the guy that goes into a blind rage or has a mental breakdown - sweet, you're armed.

If every person in the USA carried a bomb that could level a city block, would you all be safer or would half the city blocks already be leveled?

Stir stir stir stir...

OP : I try and carry a blanket/light/some food as we have to prepare for snow storms but I'm lax about doing it in the city. But after watching videos of people stuck on the road for 4-16 hours, I think I'm going to have to take it more seriously (and with kids too)

 

2012-09-19 4:20 PM
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Khyron - 2012-09-19 3:33 PM
tuwood - 2012-09-18 10:45 AM

Sweet, a gun thread...

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So, will I ever need my weapon?  Probably not, but I choose to never be in a situation where I need my weapon and don't have it with me.

Until you're the guy that goes into a blind rage or has a mental breakdown - sweet, you're armed.

If every person in the USA carried a bomb that could level a city block, would you all be safer or would half the city blocks already be leveled?

Stir stir stir stir...

dang pot stirrers.

That's the two sides of the equation.  You worry about the potential of a law abiding citizen with a background check and proper (in most cases) weapon training snapping and harming people.  I worry about the non law abiding people who premeditate causing harm to me or others.  Statistically I'm guessing there are a lot more of the latter than the former out there.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the bomb reference.  I can't throw a city block so I'm thinking that bomb would be little more than a suicide bomb so I most certainly would not feel safer.  

2012-09-19 5:02 PM
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2012-09-19 6:02 PM
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gearboy - 2012-09-14 8:01 PM

I keep a small bag with some bottled water, gels, flashlight, first aid supplies, and a small roll of toilet paper and some alcohol based hand gel. I also have a small stove and freeze dried mac and cheese, a lighter, a compass, rain poncho. There is always a blanket in the car, sometimes two and some cold weather gear if it is the season. I also keep a spare pair of old hiking boots, some work gloves that do double duty if it is chilly, and a small crank and solar powered radio that can also charge a USB device like my cell phone.

Everything in the packs has been used at one time or another - sometimes for a spontaneous day hike, sometimes for conditions warranting them. Never needed a gun, or been in a situation where having one would have been handy.

No condoms?

Being "fixed", it would make mrs gearboy a tad suspicious about how I was spending my free time...



2012-09-19 7:29 PM
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gearboy - 2012-09-19 10:47 AM

auto - 2012-09-19 11:30 AM 

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Statistically divergent?  Really?  Do you have the empirical data to make that claim?  I have "needed"  that gun the exact amount of times that a helmet has prevented a serious injury. I and many others treat/think of a gun like Helmets, spare tires, and other implements, as tool, a measure of assistance as when thing don't go as planned.

I have yet to meet a single person that control the future, plan for the unexpected, mitigate where possible and live.  How you get there is your business, but don't question the preparations of ohters.

I have needed my helmet, spare tires, some cash, my cell phone - but again, never needed a gun. Where I live, I do not prepare for earthquakes, but I do have preparations for snowstorms. Right now I have a lot of insurance, but when the kids are done with college and the mortgage paid off, I will carry a lot less, because the possible needs are going to be less (and I don't want to give mrs gearboy any more incentive to "off" me....)

Preparing for things should mean assessing the likelihood of an event occuring, and then taking reasonable steps to accomodate that possibility. I can easily imagine places, as I noted above, where having a gun is a very important and reasonable part of the preparation. Where I live and travel, not so much. No one is telling you not to have a gun. If you think, based on your circumstances, that you need a gun, fine. If you just want to have a gun, that's fine too. But it is not a part of "being prepared for a problem" at that point, anymore than the tennis balls and squeeky toys in the back of my vehicle are for a problem. They are for playing with the dog when we go to the park, and just for my own amusement, not to keep us safe.

Awesome, I see we agree. You must have a better crystal ball than I do.Cool  I don't need a gun, I just have it.  Based on the times I see on here, I stand a better chance of standing my ground than running.Smile

2012-09-19 8:33 PM
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Stay focused people. This was originally a fun thread about what you carry in your car to help get you home. Not a pro or anti carry thread.
2012-09-19 9:30 PM
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I don't have a bag.....but I can't remember the last time I wasn't hauling a bunch of kids....those suckers can go get whatever we need.
2012-09-20 5:43 AM
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Iowaman - 2012-09-19 9:33 PM Stay focused people. This was originally a fun thread about what you carry in your car to help get you home. Not a pro or anti carry thread.

Hi, welcome to COJ - you must be new!

2012-09-20 8:27 AM
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auto - 2012-09-19 8:29 PM 

I don't need a gun, I just have it.  

Is that like slow guys with fancy bikes and aero helmets?



2012-09-20 8:32 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-09-18 11:16 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-09-18 8:55 AM

bcart1991 - 2012-09-18 8:22 AM
gearboy - 2012-09-16 12:30 PM OK, but that has never happened in over 30 years of driving.
I haven't needed a helmet in almost 30 years of riding. I still wear one every time I go out, trail or road.

Why do people insist on comparing "need" by using items that are so statistically divergent? Helmets, spare tires, various forms of insurance. Gun proponents; this is not helping your argument.

I'm not trying to make an argument....I'm just stating a fact. 

Another fact is that I don't NEED to make an argument.  I can carry a gun if I want to.....like everyone else. 

If I have one and you don't.....and someone tries to hurt you or your family.....I'll help you too....no worries.

I don't find the gun issue to be something that is arguable....so I don't.

Right, you aren't making the argument and aren't comparing carrying a gun to a spare tire. My comment wasn't directed at you. 

Of course, I am reminded of the Monty Python Argument sketch

No you aren't!

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