Motorcycle crashes into cyclists! (Page 2)

Aarondb4 - 2013-05-01 11:14 AM

Yeah that corner is Youtube famous, there are tons of wrecks there all the time. 

Motorcyclist got target fixation when he saw the cyclist. Rather dumb move on the cyclists part to ride that road given it's infamy for people in fast cars and on motorcycles going way too fast and crashing.  

Aarondb4 - 2013-05-01 12:01 PM

True, risky is the more PC word choice than dumb. But there is an argument to be had either direction.

You use gun owners as an example, here is an argument for that. Some say just owning a gun is more dangerous than not and would call the act of having a gun in the house "dumb" or "risky". The same can be said for riding a bike on the street, also could be seen as dumb or risky. Both are well within the rights of the person doing it, and the riskiness or dumbness of the person is up to interpretation.

Now take a gun owner who decides he will have 3-4 beers before handling his loaded weapon or cleaning his loaded weapons in his house. Still within his right as there is no law against such a thing but IMO pretty durn dumb. Same to me as a bicyclist riding on a road that is world renowned for people driving like idiots on it. You can watch hundreds of videos of people going off that same shoulder after taking the corner too fast. Still well within the cyclists right to ride there, but IMO pretty durn dumb. 

I am sure we can all think of a road nearby that is legal for a cyclist to be on but that we would never ride on due to either space constraints, speed of traffic or amount of traffic, some roads are just "dumb" to ride on IMO.

Now of course that is my opinion only and the cyclist is free to knock himself out on any road that is legal, but I reserve the right to call them dumb when they get hit.

TriRSquared - 2013-05-01 10:29 AM

Perhaps.... but in that corner there was no reason for the moto to hit that cyclists.  Plenty of time to react.

TriRSquared - 2013-05-01 11:29 AM

Perhaps.... but in that corner there was no reason for the moto to hit that cyclists.  Plenty of time to react.

Kido - 2013-05-01 10:20 AM

Wrong.  That's what words are for and they have different meanings - and why we have so many, to get a point across.

If you came home and said you ran in to a bank and felt "apple pie".  NO ONE would have a clue what you meant.  That's not what apple pie means.  Unless somehow you can convince everyone to change their mind that it DOES mean that.

Caution is an action to avoid danger or mistakes.  Fear is an emotion based on a belief that something is a threat - they are not even synonyms.  You may (or may not) be cautious BECAUSE of fear, but they don't have the same meaning.

SevenZulu - 2013-05-01 12:07 PM

I couldn't apple pie more with this.

SevenZulu - 2013-05-01 2:07 PM

I couldn't apple pie more with this.

DanielG - 2013-05-01 3:54 PM

Alpha Velveeta Knuckle Underwear, you are cleared for take-off. When you hit that nuclear weapons plant... drop a bomb for me!

Uh, Sphincter Mucus Niner Ringworm, roger!

Kido - 2013-05-01 11:42 AM

Yep.  Something spooked him.  He had it.  He had the lean going and could have kept it going (and probably could have leaned into it more, which is what he SHOULD have done) but something made him sit up.  Not good.  I guess his other option would to straighten up a bit sooner and hammer the brakes.  I was taught a long time ago that when you are not going to make the turn, your only reasonable option is to push that lower bar harder and lean into it.  Don't ease off the throttle or brake.  And don't sit up unless you know you have a runout location, which he didn't.

I'm guessing with people new to that corner, they probably underestimate the length and go into it a bit too fast.  Probably a good speed for a 90 degreee corner, but not 270.  If you roll on the throttle the entire curve like you should, there's too much curve and you get going too fast.  Hence you need to enter it slower.  If I were a betting man, I would bet most crashes occur the last 1/3 of that curve for that reason.

Poor riding, IMO.

Left Brain - 2013-05-01 10:59 AM

Same deal, different choice of words......same meaning.  I go into buildings where armed bad guys are, and I can call what I feel apple pie or whatever term makes everyone happy......we all know what it is.

Aarondb4 - 2013-05-01 1:46 PM

Do you ride?

I agree he shouldn't have hit them but it looks like what happened was he went in a bit too hot, saw the cyclists and started to brake. Braking in a corner makes the bike stand up and go straight. The right move would have been to roll on the throttle and make the corner but when things are happening fast it is easy to panic and grab a handful of brake. There are lots of vids of motorcycles doing the exact same thing on this very corner. 

Just my opinion that given the fact that the corner is notorious for this happening it was probably not the wisest choice to ride on it. But of course they are very free to ride wherever they wish. 

powerman - 2013-05-01 4:04 PM

I know what you mean.

Left Brain - 2013-05-01 10:17 AM

I agree 100%....but I bet we are in the minority of cyclists.  Just because you have every bit as much right as other vehicles to be on a road of your choice doesn't mean the choice is a good one.

Jtiger - 2013-05-02 9:38 AM

 

It is a fine line on your sanity to ride on certain roads knowing that they are more dangerous than others but if you stayed off every dangerous road you would never get a serious ride in.

Left Brain - 2013-05-01 9:12 PM Of course you do....I wouldn't expect anything else.I'll stick with my original statements since I haven't seen anything here to make me think differently. A healthy dose of fear is a good thing in dangerous situations....such as riding a bike on that road, or any road for that matter, or for clearing buildings....you can call it "heightened awareness" or "apple pie" or what it is.....fear.....makes no difference unless you deny you have it....then I'm just back to name calling apparently. When I have a guy who says he has no fear I put him in the back of the line......where the chances of him hurting himself or one of us is lessened.