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2008-06-05 9:39 AM
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I don't think I've ever called my wife anything like that in over 15 years of knowing her.


2008-06-05 10:02 AM
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surfwallace - 2008-06-05 8:48 AM 

 You get angry and show it to your wife? Man, I show no emotion. Nothing phases me ever. Until she does something crazy stupid, then I show just my fangs (can't show too much emotion) and because I am always so laid back about EVERYTHING she knows she is wrong. It is kind of like when the dog just lays there when the kids are running around screaming and he is trying to sleep. When they cross the line he just snaps a quick growl and shows his teeth. The kids get the point and we don't get mad at the dog. Now on the flipside when your wife gets mad at you for the countless idiotic things you do, just apologize (even when you really don't mean it). A woman PMS'ing is nothing to play games with. I found the female species is pretty rational at all other times. At least mine is

Showing your fangs is drived by your emotion.  If you are not upset, you won't show your fangs.   

kproudfoot - 2008-06-05 9:36 AM

 Several months ago I was at best buy with my son.  He was watching tv in their little makeshift living room and I was talking to the sales guy.  I could see him the entire time.  Well I walked behind the wall to get him and lost site for litterally 3 seconds in which time he got up and became lost in the store.  First mistake was telling my wife and she just gave me the "You need to keep an eye on him" speach.  I agreed and we went on.

Now few months later she takes my son to one of my races and does not pay attention crossing the street and he gets hit by one of the pro triathletes on his bike and has to go to the emergency room.  If I even started to say something to her she would cry and say not to say anything she feels bad enough.  WTF??  I get crap for almost losing him and she get him almost killed and I can't say a word!!!! Ahhhh!!!!

I am a woman and I don't buy this kind of crap.  I believe if you want someone to treat you in certain ways you have to treat others similarly - that is fair. 

2008-06-05 10:12 AM
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Disagreements serve a purpose in marriage...it's called make-up nookie
2008-06-05 10:15 AM
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kproudfoot - 2008-06-05 9:36 AM

Now few months later she takes my son to one of my races and does not pay attention crossing the street and he gets hit by one of the pro triathletes on his bike and has to go to the emergency room.  If I even started to say something to her she would cry and say not to say anything she feels bad enough.  WTF??  I get crap for almost losing him and she get him almost killed and I can't say a word!!!! Ahhhh!!!!

So what exactly would it accomplish by throwing it back in your wife's face at that point?

The thing at Best Buy is a teachable moment...it's good to discuss when things *could* go wrong. Your son getting hurt at the race sucks, but the teachable moment had passed. Unless you don't think she knows she screwed up.

2008-06-05 10:21 AM
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Actually, I think a great deal of this issue comes less from man/woman thing and more from family of origin issues (which then carries subsequent gender role issues). 

The questions I ask many couples preparing for marriage focus on family of origin (what does it look like, how do they describe it, etc.) and on fighting style... particularly how reconciliation happens... what is expected?  Almost always the two issues go hand in hand.  We learn how to fight and reconcile from our families of origin generally speaking. 

And if expectations are incredibly divergent it becomes a source of conversation... and maybe an acknowledgment that if there are issues later, seeking some sort of counseling might be advantageous.

-B 

2008-06-05 10:34 AM
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akustix - 2008-06-05 10:21 AM

We learn how to fight and reconcile from our families of origin generally speaking. 



Or how not to...


2008-06-05 10:41 AM
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I just tell MRS2Tony to STFU and get me a beer. End of discussion.



















And then I grab a pillow and a blanket and some lotion and head for the basement.
2008-06-05 10:49 AM
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run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 11:15 AM

So what exactly would it accomplish by throwing it back in your wife's face at that point?

The thing at Best Buy is a teachable moment...it's good to discuss when things *could* go wrong. Your son getting hurt at the race sucks, but the teachable moment had passed. Unless you don't think she knows she screwed up.




She didn't need to be taught to watch the kid. She needed to do it. He's entitled to express his anger that not only did she fail but the kid got hurt as a result. Now, how much anger he should express is really up to him but he has legitimate reason to be angry at her failure.
2008-06-05 11:02 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2008-06-05 9:46 AM
trixie - 2008-06-05 7:52 AM
run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 8:49 AM

Bluejack - 2008-06-05 7:01 AM Women need d*** as well.

Also, lesbians not withstanding, there are some pretty good artificial substitutes out there from what I hear.

So, better not get to cocky.

 

 

(i'll be here all week)

 

Damn straight! And they are available ALL the time and for repeat performances

Until the batteries die.

 

drawer full of batteries

and one toy is rechargeable and works whilst plugged in..... 

2008-06-05 11:04 AM
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trixie - 2008-06-05 7:52 AM
run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 8:49 AM

Bluejack - 2008-06-05 7:01 AM Women need d*** as well.

Also, lesbians not withstanding, there are some pretty good artificial substitutes out there from what I hear.

So, better not get to cocky.

 

 

(i'll be here all week)

 

Damn straight! And they are available ALL the time and for repeat performances 

But they won't pay for dinner and a show!

2008-06-05 11:06 AM
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TriToy - 2008-06-05 12:02 PM
1stTimeTri - 2008-06-05 9:46 AM
trixie - 2008-06-05 7:52 AM
run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 8:49 AM

Bluejack - 2008-06-05 7:01 AM Women need d*** as well.

Also, lesbians not withstanding, there are some pretty good artificial substitutes out there from what I hear.

So, better not get to cocky.

 

 

(i'll be here all week)

 

Damn straight! And they are available ALL the time and for repeat performances

Until the batteries die.

 

drawer full of batteries

and one toy is rechargeable and works whilst plugged in..... 

 

Yes, Yes, Yes but who will wash my car and mow the lawn while i'm out riding my bike?



2008-06-05 11:07 AM
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chadtower - 2008-06-05 11:49 AM
run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 11:15 AM So what exactly would it accomplish by throwing it back in your wife's face at that point?

 

The thing at Best Buy is a teachable moment...it's good to discuss when things *could* go wrong. Your son getting hurt at the race sucks, but the teachable moment had passed. Unless you don't think she knows she screwed up.

She didn't need to be taught to watch the kid. She needed to do it. He's entitled to express his anger that not only did she fail but the kid got hurt as a result. Now, how much anger he should express is really up to him but he has legitimate reason to be angry at her failure.

But also to be compassionate for her feelings.

Marriage isn't a competition, it's a partnership. If we treated our SOs more like our friends, I expect we'd treat them a whole lot better.

2008-06-05 11:13 AM
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run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 12:07 PM

But also to be compassionate for her feelings.

Marriage isn't a competition, it's a partnership. If we treated our SOs more like our friends, I expect we'd treat them a whole lot better.




There's also the consequences here. It's not like the kid got lost in a store for a minute. The kid was needlessly hurt. Plus he totally effed up someone's race day. All because she didn't watch. If there's a time for this issue to be a fight this is definitely the instance. What if next time it's a car instead of a bike? The kid's safety is more important than her feelings, IMO. It's just as unhealthy to not communicate that anger as it is to fight about it.

Moderation. That's the key. Get your point across without being an a-hole.
2008-06-05 11:21 AM
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2008-06-05 11:52 AM
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TriToy - 2008-06-05 11:02 AM

1stTimeTri - 2008-06-05 9:46 AM
trixie - 2008-06-05 7:52 AM
run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 8:49 AM

Bluejack - 2008-06-05 7:01 AM Women need d*** as well.

Also, lesbians not withstanding, there are some pretty good artificial substitutes out there from what I hear.

So, better not get to cocky.

 

 

(i'll be here all week)

 

Damn straight! And they are available ALL the time and for repeat performances

Until the batteries die.

 

drawer full of batteries

and one toy is rechargeable and works whilst plugged in..... 



Women have it good. Oh well. At least we're better drivers.
2008-06-05 11:56 AM
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Renee - 2008-06-05 7:50 AM
tkbslc - 2008-06-04 11:55 PM

Seriously, why is that when my wife does something really crappy to me and I get angry about it,  I have to apologize?  So even though she was "wrong" I am the one most at fault for being rightfully upset.  Even when I am right I am still wrong!   Same thing with every woman/girl I have ever dated in the past, too.   Sigh.  

You only need to apologize when you've done something to apologize for.

She is responsible for her actions. Her bad behavior does not entitle you to bad behavior, however. As long as you express your anger without being abusive, I'd say you have nothing to apologize for.

So do you think you'll be asking your wife to start wearing her big-girl panties anytime soon?

Oooooh, I asked my wife if she thought she might be able to put on her big girl panties and move forward/get over it. One time. I recall our discussion degrading exponentially at that point.


2008-06-05 11:57 AM
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I won't criticize my wife until I can recognize all of those little ways that I act like an a$$hole. Unfortunately, the more I look for ways, the more I find them.

Nobody's perfect, but sometimes forget to include ourselves.

 

2008-06-05 11:59 AM
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chadtower - 2008-06-05 12:13 PM  There's also the consequences here. It's not like the kid got lost in a store for a minute. The kid was needlessly hurt. Plus he totally effed up someone's race day. All because she didn't watch. If there's a time for this issue to be a fight this is definitely the instance. What if next time it's a car instead of a bike? The kid's safety is more important than her feelings, IMO. It's just as unhealthy to not communicate that anger as it is to fight about it. Moderation. That's the key. Get your point across without being an a-hole.

I understand, but you don't think she gets that she screwed up? I mean, if not, OK. But seriously, what possible good could come out of starting a fight about it? You'll make her feel more sh!tty than she already does, but after that, what? You think that by throwing it in her face she's going to be extra careful next time, whereas seeing her son hurt wouldn't have that same effect? She screwed up, no doubt. But dollars to donuts she won't do it again. With or without a fight.

edit: starting a fight for the sake of starting a fight is no good for anyone. Except maybe divorce attorneys.



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2008-06-05 12:05 PM
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run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 10:59 AM

chadtower - 2008-06-05 12:13 PM  There's also the consequences here. It's not like the kid got lost in a store for a minute. The kid was needlessly hurt. Plus he totally effed up someone's race day. All because she didn't watch. If there's a time for this issue to be a fight this is definitely the instance. What if next time it's a car instead of a bike? The kid's safety is more important than her feelings, IMO. It's just as unhealthy to not communicate that anger as it is to fight about it. Moderation. That's the key. Get your point across without being an a-hole.

I understand, but you don't think she gets that she screwed up? I mean, if not, OK. But seriously, what possible good could come out of starting a fight about it? You'll make her feel more sh!tty than she already does, but after that, what? You think that by throwing it in her face she's going to be extra careful next time, whereas seeing her son hurt wouldn't have that same effect? She screwed up, no doubt. But dollars to donuts she won't do it again. With or without a fight.

edit: starting a fight for the sake of starting a fight is no good for anyone. Except maybe divorce attorneys.

yep!

2008-06-05 12:42 PM
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run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 12:59 PM

But dollars to donuts she won't do it again.



You must be more comfortable with risking the kid's safety than I am. When someone does something they already knew they weren't supposed to do they tend to do it again at some point. I've seen it way too many times from too many people, myself included.
2008-06-05 12:56 PM
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chadtower - 2008-06-05 1:42 PM
run4yrlif - 2008-06-05 12:59 PM But dollars to donuts she won't do it again.
You must be more comfortable with risking the kid's safety than I am. When someone does something they already knew they weren't supposed to do they tend to do it again at some point. I've seen it way too many times from too many people, myself included.

 

I'm only gonna ask one question.

If she already knows she was wrong and is suffering from that knowledge, how can telling her she's wrong and bringing home the point, do anything more but hurt her even more?



2008-06-05 1:00 PM
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SuzanneS - 2008-06-05 1:56 PM

If she already knows she was wrong and is suffering from that knowledge, how can telling her she's wrong and bringing home the point, do anything more but hurt her even more?




It will hurt her more.

Who got hurt the worst in this situation? Hint: it wasn't her. She may not even be second.

2008-06-05 1:05 PM
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surfwallace - 2008-06-05 6:08 AM
bcart1991 - 2008-06-05 7:55 AM Women, can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em. [/Tom Arnold in True Lies]
Women, can't live with 'em, and they can't pee standing up. -Some other guy

Some triathlete women being the exception, since they can pee even while running.

2008-06-05 1:06 PM
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I hate that! Except in my case the genders are reversed. I call him on something or get frustrated with him, and then he seems so dejected about it that I end up apologizing for making him feel bad. How is it that the offended party ends up being the one to console the offending party? 
2008-06-05 1:08 PM
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From 'As Good As It Gets':

Girl: "Mr Udall, how do you write for women so well?"

Jack Nicholson: "I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability"

Makes me laugh EVERYTIME.

Anyhoo...

Chad, dude: The point isn't that you should point out to the wife that she effed up and not be bothered that it hurts her, the point is that if she already knows she effed up, it's been discussed, etc, then there is absolutely no reason to drive the point home except to be an arsehole. Hopefully the poster (who I forget whose story this actually is) has enough respect for his wife to know that she Gets It and doesn't need to teach her the lesson like she's a five year old.

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