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2010-06-09 10:34 AM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 9:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

if I was the father of one of those girls I would want to knock him off myself!  as it is, I don't care what happens to him as long as he is put somewhere that he cannot hurt anyone else. 


2010-06-09 10:43 AM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!

2010-06-09 11:11 AM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.


im sure he could be "rehabilitated" and returned into society then......
i find no joy in saying that the death penalty is an appropriate action for this behavior.
he committed the ultimate act of hate and evil against another person(s).
2010-06-09 11:54 AM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
2010-06-09 12:08 PM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:54 AM

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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.



It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied.

Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.
2010-06-09 12:24 PM
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not to ressurect any sort of death penalty thread, but why is it ok for police to use deadly force?
if someone pulls a gun on a police officer, they are allowed to shoot them. 
if someone breaks into my house and is trying to kill me or my family, i am allowed to use deadly force to protect them.
if that peruvian girl was being attacked with the intent of her life being taken, she is allowed to fight back with the enough force to save herself, and possibly overtake her attacker and kill him out of defense.
but why is it wrong for society/judge/jury to sentence a murderer to die, when the victim he killed fought for his/her life with every once of their being and with the acceptance that a victim is allowed to kill their attacker?
people who are being attacked that way are fighting for their lives, and can kill their attackers out of self defense, and its accepted!
why does that change when the murderer wins?  just because they murderer is still alive, they should be allowed to live?
finish what the victim tried to do!


2010-06-09 12:32 PM
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scoobysdad - 2010-06-09 12:08 PM
mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:54 AM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.

This is EXACTLY what I meant in my post...but Rich said it much better....thanks man!!

 

2010-06-09 12:35 PM
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scoobysdad - 2010-06-09 1:08 PM
mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:54 AM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.

Couldn't agree more scoobysdad!  This guy has killed 2 innocent people now.  All I want is for him to never be able to hurt anyone ever again whether that means a life sentence or the death penalty doesn't matter to me but I think a maximum sentence of 35 years is ridiculous... I do not believe he deserves the right to live freely ever again when he's robbed two people of this right!
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scoobysdad - 2010-06-09 1:08 PM
mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:54 AM
miami9296 - 2010-06-09 11:43 AM

mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.


I do have a different edition. It is not up to me to decide that one persons soul has more value than another's.
2010-06-09 1:13 PM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 12:07 PM
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:54 AM
miami9296 - 2010-06-09 11:43 AM

mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.


I do have a different edition. It is not up to me to decide that one persons soul has more value than another's.

one thing certain here, you never need to worry about being selected as a juror for a murder trial.
2010-06-09 1:19 PM
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but she could have killed van der sloot in self defense, and she would have been justified.
what is the difference if a jury sentences him to death AFTER the crime?
because he lived through the attack where he killed someone, he should live?


2010-06-09 1:21 PM
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I don't care what happens to him as long as he is put somewhere that he cannot hurt anyone else. 


in a pine box 6' below grade is the only place.
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2010-06-09 1:32 PM
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but she could have killed van der sloot in self defense, and she would have been justified.
what is the difference if a jury sentences him to death AFTER the crime?
because he lived through the attack where he killed someone, he should live?


That’s an interesting way to look at it.

(And for the record, I don’t mean that in a sarcastic or critical way. I actually mean, “It’s interesting, and I’ve never thought of it that way before.”)
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 11:54 AM
miami9296 - 2010-06-09 11:43 AM

mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.


I do have a different edition. It is not up to me to decide that one persons soul has more value than another's.



That's fine. To each his own.

BTW, we're not weighing the value of anyone's soul here. Only God gets to do that after each of us leaves (or is dispatched from) this mortal coil. But, depending on where the crime takes place, we as a society can decide due physical punishment for one's crimes committed here on Earth.



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wabash - 2010-06-09 1:19 PM

but she could have killed van der sloot in self defense, and she would have been justified.
what is the difference if a jury sentences him to death AFTER the crime?
because he lived through the attack where he killed someone, he should live?


That’s an interesting way to look at it.

(And for the record, I don’t mean that in a sarcastic or critical way. I actually mean, “It’s interesting, and I’ve never thought of it that way before.”)


I agree. That made me stop and think.

Furthermore, if AUTHORITIES had caught van der Sloot IN THE ACT of attempting to kill either victim, they would be justified in using deadly force. It's interesting that the use of deadly force is only called into question when the murderer is successful in carrying out their crime. It's almost a reward for finishing the job.
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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.


I do have a different edition. It is not up to me to decide that one persons soul has more value than another's.
That's fine. To each his own. BTW, we're not weighing the value of anyone's soul here. Only God gets to do that after each of us leaves (or is dispatched from) this mortal coil. But, depending on where the crime takes place, we as a society can decide due physical punishment for one's crimes committed here on Earth.


Aren't we? You talk about equating peoples lives. What makes us really alive as humans more than our soul?


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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.


I do have a different edition. It is not up to me to decide that one persons soul has more value than another's.
That's fine. To each his own. BTW, we're not weighing the value of anyone's soul here. Only God gets to do that after each of us leaves (or is dispatched from) this mortal coil. But, depending on where the crime takes place, we as a society can decide due physical punishment for one's crimes committed here on Earth.


Aren't we? You talk about equating peoples lives. What makes us really alive as humans more than our soul?



No. Physical life does not equal soul. Ask any martyr.

If you believe in an afterlife, by definition you believe in the separation of body and soul. If you don't believe in an afterlife, you can't really believe in a soul as nothing spiritual continues on after physical death.




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mrbbrad - 2010-06-09 10:28 AM Yeah, this is sad. It's sad that people think nothing of killing another human being. Sadder still that some people seem to take joy in the prospect of killing another human being.

And if I am being too subtle let me expound; I do not mean the accused, I mean those who want him killed.

So, what you're saying is, because we feel he should be killed for having strangled, beaten, etc. one, and possibly doing the same, in addition to raping another, we are "in the wrong" for wanting such things?

Hmmmm...interesting!

As a female...this absolutely makes me want to scream....maybe I'll think of this instead during my sprint on Sunday to speed up my time!




I'm not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is sad, echoing what others had said. Many, including me, are saddened by what he has done. It also saddens me that people wring their hands about the killing of one person but advocate the killing of another person.
It saddens me you are equating the life of an innocent person killed in cold blood with the life of a person who, with premeditation, took two innocent lives, lied about the first, attempted to extort money from the suffering family members of his first victim, evaded justice in one killing and attempted to evade justice again in the second, and has shown no remorse for either killing. Also, unlike his victims, he has been given and will be given due process, and hopefully will be brought to trial prior to any punishment being levied. Not quite the same in my book. You may have a different edition.


I do have a different edition. It is not up to me to decide that one persons soul has more value than another's.
That's fine. To each his own. BTW, we're not weighing the value of anyone's soul here. Only God gets to do that after each of us leaves (or is dispatched from) this mortal coil. But, depending on where the crime takes place, we as a society can decide due physical punishment for one's crimes committed here on Earth.


Aren't we? You talk about equating peoples lives. What makes us really alive as humans more than our soul?
No. Physical life does not equal soul. Ask any martyr. If you believe in an afterlife, by definition you believe in the separation of body and soul. If you don't believe in an afterlife, you can't really believe in a soul as nothing spiritual continues on after physical death.


I agree that physical life does not equal soul, but both are inextricably tied together in my view. My belief in an afterlife does not constrain me to a belief in the separation of body and soul on every plane of existence.
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I think Van Der Sloot is bad.  dislike...


how about that for a contribution?

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Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 3:15 PM In the words of Ghandi...''an eye for an eye...leaves everyone blind.''
I am against the DP for a variety of reasons...and eye for an eye ''justice'' doesn't really bring about justice. It will never bring the person back whom you lost. It is not the same as self defense. When we have prisons to incarcerate people like Vander Sloot...the DP is not necessary. What he did is horrific, I just don't believe the DP is the solution.


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Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 3:15 PM In the words of Ghandi...''an eye for an eye...leaves everyone blind.''
I am against the DP for a variety of reasons...and eye for an eye ''justice'' doesn't really bring about justice. It will never bring the person back whom you lost. It is not the same as self defense. When we have prisons to incarcerate people like Vander Sloot...the DP is not necessary. What he did is horrific, I just don't believe the DP is the solution.

Sorry, but I don't think 35 years in prison makes up for what he did.

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If we put him to death, we advocate killing as an appropriate behavior.  Self defense (or ending the commission of a crime that could result in serious harm to others) is NOT the same as the death penalty.  The police would NOT be justified, for example, in using deadly force to stop someone who is unarmed from stealing a loaf of bread or a TV.  And if you can end the attack with less deadly means, I believe one is obligated to do so.

If I were the parent of either of the girls killed, I would personally WANT to destroy him in the most intimate and painful ways I can imagine (and I have a vivid imagination).  But I would hope that the purpose and ideals of a rule of law would prevent me from doing so.

For those who are saying the death penalty is better than living in prison for an extended period (life here, or 35 years in Peru), I would wonder if you believe that life in prison is really "all that"? Kill him, and he no longer experiences any sort of pain or suffering.  Stick him in overcrowded and dangerous conditions with very angry and dangerous people, with no hope of leaving for a very long time, and while he may not experience remorse, he WILL suffer.  I would prefer KNOWING he will suffer in this life, instead of chancing that he will experience suffering in some sort of afterlife (H#ll, or reincarnated as a dung beetle) - if there is no afterlife, just darkness and worm-chow, he never suffers for his crimes.
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Subject: RE: Van Der Sloot kills again!
Sharyn5 - 2010-06-09 2:15 PM

In the words of Ghandi...''an eye for an eye...leaves everyone blind.''
I am against the DP for a variety of reasons...and eye for an eye ''justice'' doesn't really bring about justice. It will never bring the person back whom you lost. It is not the same as self defense. When we have prisons to incarcerate people like Vander Sloot...the DP is not necessary. What he did is horrific, I just don't believe the DP is the solution.



It does kill the killer and prevents them from ever killing again. It does provide some measure of comfort to a victim's family. And it does prevent the killer from enjoying whatever small pleasures they can find in continuing to live when they denied that same right to someone else who committed no crime against them.

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