Focus on the Family: Chaps my hide (Page 2)

Wow. So, their god is a smiting god. Whatever floats their boat. They're certainly willing to risk being smote by an enraged, grieving family member, aren't they?

Here's what I don't get: why anyone would worship an angry, bitter, little god. Why not go for a big, expansive, glorious, shining light of a god? You know, if you're gonna go with a god, go with the god that looks alot less like a drunken redneck of a god.

I have a friend who works in legal services for battered women. Most of these women meet their abusers in church. Abusers troll churches for submissive women. Pretty despicable but I doubt abusers really have a code of ethics about where they find their victims.

and there's nothing in the Bible about men taking care of their wives/mothers?  It is all interpretation.  I do not believe that one gender was put on this earth to take care of the other gender.  That is just ridiculous.....

I will never agree with Dobson.....he makes me seriously pissed off.  What I see is that he actually creates division among humans.  My opinion, and I'll leave it at that before I get too crazy.

I am looking on the FOF site and I am not seeing this boycott. When I did a search on their website I did come up with this.

Retailer is hit just before the biggest shopping weekend of the year.

The American Family Association is launching a boycott of Target stores this Thanksgiving weekend in response to the retail giant’s ban of the Salvation Army at their stores and the phrase “Merry Christmas” from their advertising. Target spokesperson, Carolyn Brookter says it’s true, the Salvation Army is not allowed to solicit in front of their stores. The ban started last year.

Is AMF a part of Focus on the Family? Seems like its a little more than the commercialization of Christmas. I wonder if you would be in a uproar if they banned some other group from their storefronts? (Even though I would like everyone banned from soliciting in front of stores)

Well let us take some versus literally.  I do consider myself a God fearing Christian, but I have to believe that literal translations are absurd. 

A man who refuses to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law is "wicked in the LORD's sight" and so is put to death. GE 38:8-10

Do not call any man on earth "father."  MT 23:9

A child who curses his parent(s) is to be put to death. A stubborn and/or rebellious child is to be put to death. EX 21:17, LE 20:9, DT 21:18-21

Ok- that's really bad.  Here's my perspective, and I have actually heard a women on Focus on the Family with the same approach as me.  So Focus on the Fmaily isn't all that crude if you ask me.  We all know that the Bible states that woman was created for man, and that homosexuality is a sin.  I personally don't agree with it but I am still going to love that person just like I love anyone else.  I'm not going to condone someone for their actions.  Reason being, homosexuality is a sin- just like all the rest.  It doens't matter- lying, stealing, cheating, mudering, lust, adultry, jealousy, homosexaulity, etc- they'll all sins.  And we all sin- some ways are more visible to others.  Some poeople sin by thinking bad or mean thoughts- we'll never know, but it's still a sin, and we all sin, not matter how hard we try not to.  If we chose to not like people based on their sins, then we wouldn't like anyone- including ourselves   Hope I didn't offend anyone- that wasn't my intent.

The part about a man's repsonsiblities/role is also in Proverbs 31.

My guess is that the cultural diversity of our country has changed drastically over the last 60 years and the change in nomenclature reflects that diversity.

Tangential to that issue: recently, here in Hillsborough County, a Muslim group asked the School Board to add Ramadan to the calendar of school holidays. Instead of granting their request, the School Board yanked Easter and Yom Kippur off the holiday calendar. How stupid was that?! The muslim group said that they would rather not have Ramadan as a holiday if it meant that having the Christian and Jewish holidays yanked. After much public outcry, Easter and Yom Kippur are back on the school holiday calendar but still no Ramadan for the Muslim children. Hillsborough County has approx. the same Muslim population as Jewish population.

Some of us find the Bible to be full of ludicrous instruction, perspective and ideas. In fact, I find the Bible to be a sin against humanity for some of the barbarous instructions found in it.

Jesus Christ never spoke against homosexuals. He did speak against judging others and casting stones. Where's the Christ in Christianity?

That doesn't surprise me at all.  Submission is always a popular topic in my Bible Studies.  Women should be "willing to submit" to their husbands, not forced.  But unfortunately that's not the case.  Some men/women defintiely take it beyond that point.  In any relationship (whether it's with someone inside/outside) the church, it's important that women are careful with any type of signs of control issues.  If a man has control issues and is using submission as an excuse for his actions that's just wrong.

My sense of Americanism tells me this is flat out un-American. Muslims are not second class citizens.

Interesting that you chose to refer to their request as agitation.

I am sorry to do this but I thought we needed some humor in this thread.  At a wrestling meet last week a Hispanic kid named Jesus wrestled an Arab kid named Muhammad.  I hope I am not the only one who thinks that is funny! (this is a true story)

1) I don't think abusers need an excuse for their actions. They're just looking for easy targets (submissive women who are taught by their religion that they should not question their husbands).

2) Abuse is not just a control issue; it's an anger and violence issue.

Muhammad won, but we thought his next match should Belezebub