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2005-12-16 3:16 PM
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Ugh. That's hard. When I was a dept. head (it was only five months ago ), we all pretty much respected each other, but that respect was earned with time. It was hard for a while, b/c everybody under me was at least five years older than I am. After a while, we called each other honey and sweetie pie as jokes. But it takes a while, some smiles and a good attitude to earn each others' respect. The biggest annoyance I had was older businessmen, one particular, who would call me sweetie. What I wanted to yell back was "I'm the managing editor of the Dispatch. If I chose to be dirty, I could destroy you in a minute. You will respect me, even though I'm 26." Small town, and I was leaving in a month. Now I have a reverse problem. My boss made the comment last week that she wished I lived closer to her so she could have a reliable babysitter (we're in two separate offices). WHAT? I'm a professional. I have a degree. I may look like a college student and work at a university, but, honey, I am not your babysitter. And the funny thing is, if she lived closer and had just mentioned her problem, I may have volunteered. I love kids. But I'm not 15.



2005-12-16 3:43 PM
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Steph,

Does this mean you watching my daughter after the Tybee race so my wife and I can have a peaceful dinner in Savannah is out?

2005-12-16 3:48 PM
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watergirl - 2005-12-16 3:16 PM

The biggest annoyance I had was older businessmen, one particular, who would call me sweetie.

Heh. I have zero qualms about replying back to someone like that with "What's up, Sweetcheeks?"

I don't have problems with how people talk to me. They all fear me.

2005-12-16 4:43 PM
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say it with me now kids...SEXUAL HARASSMENT! Just threatening it will get them to can it. I had the same problem at the Postal Service with some coworkers. The pet names, the patronizing tone, overt invitations...."can you handle that sweetie?" "why do they have you doing this tough stuff?" ...excuse me?! can we back this isht up a second? Did I not get hired? Do i not get paid? Did I not chose to be on the docks? OK. Then leave me the hell alone and let me do my job, losers.
2005-12-16 4:46 PM
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Renee - 2005-12-16 12:48 PM

I don't have problems with how people talk to me. They all fear me.



I have the same effect. I was called sweetie a couple weeks back by a chick that's younger than I and from another department. I chuckled to myself and thought she didn't know me very well...

Honestly, I don't know why your waste time being bothered by crap like this.

2005-12-16 5:20 PM
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ChuckyFinster - 2005-12-16 12:46 PM

Honestly, I don't know why your waste time being bothered by crap like this.

Agreed. As mentioned above it sounds like you're demanding respect. Those that advocate the earning of instead of the demand of I think are more on track. B!tching and throwing a trantrum about name calling is only going to reinforce the derogatory gossip that is already going around the office about you (and yes, its going around). So What! Do your job to the best of your ability and kill them with proficeincy!

Yes, you are admittedly young to be in your position. As such people that are older than you feel threatened by you. They look at themselves and see that they have not acheived as much as you have in a longer timeframe. They are jealous! They will try to make you appear to less than what you are in order to make them feel better about themselves. If you come at them like a badger on fire you will only provide them with additional ammunition to hate you. Give it time. Show them that are are more than able to handle your position AND theirs if necessary. If you deserve it, the respect will come from most. But, there are always some that will never come around to reason and will never get over their own perceived failures and will secretly make you the scapegoat.

Like I alluded to above, 20-30 years from now you'll be hoping for someone to call "Sweetie". Enjoy it while you can.

--- That's one of the great flaws of youth, you never understand how fleeting it is until it's gone.



2005-12-16 5:25 PM
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Sugarlumps, I'm sorry you're so frustrated.  Just kidding.  I got out of the corporate world a long time ago because I couldn't stand crap like that, but I will say this.  The people in charge set the tone for the office.  My brother and I started our own company and we don't stand for any of that kind of crap here and we demand that everyone treat everyone else with the respect that we feel we deserve.  We set the tone by our example.  In the rare instance that a new employee doesn't pick this up by osmosis and we get a complaint from one of our 'veterans', we pull the new employee into a private meeting and make it clear to them what is expected.  I would never allow the prospect of an unpleasant work environment cause an employee to become less effective and therefore affect the profit/loss of the company. 

Unfortunately I realize none of this helps you directly, just wanted to show some support for you.  There's lots of good advice in this thread and some of it is conflicting but different circumstances call for different actions.  You have to decide what's right for yours. 

Good luck honey muffins!

2005-12-18 6:29 PM
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One more thing: Over the years, I have observed people, both men and women, look down their nose at people lower in rank on the corporate ladder, while kissing the butts of the people above them (I realize that metaphor doesn't quite make sense, but you get the meaning...)

I learned early on that it is VERY important (maybe even MORE important) to treat the people below you with kindness and respect. When I was 23, there was an administrative assistant to a VP about 10-years-older than myself, that I would chat with when I went to the main office for meetings. No ulterior motive on my part. Just being polite. When I got my first big career break (a promotion to the main office working directly for this VP) I found out that this woman had pulled my resume out of the employee file and gave it to her boss and reminded him that I had the qualifications for the position that he was looking to fill. If it had not been for her, I probably would not have gotten that promotion. Later, while working for her boss, I observed this same woman get directors (who had treated her disrespectfully) fired simply by systematically pointing out all of their flaws to her boss and doing a few underhanded things to make them look bad to higher-ups.

I have lots of examples from 20+ years in business that I could share, but it can all be summed up with the golden rule. Treat people the way that you want to be treated. Save your anger for something that really matters. (I've dealt with someone putting his hand on my leg under a conference table....) There is DEFINITELY a time to get angry and call HR and all of that. But save it for a real problem and not minor irritations.

2005-12-18 6:46 PM
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I feel your pain.   look a lot younger than I am and after 10+ years of You don't look old enough...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
2005-12-18 6:49 PM
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Heya,

As part of my joint appointment with an institution of higher learning in North Carolina, I serve as something relatively important but non-technical. This leads to some of the issues you discuss, mixed in with patronization. At first. That is, until I save their ivory-tower a$$es from a rabid reporter or elected official. Then it's all about respect.

That said, I am now called Scintillating Sister C by my physicist, Dashing M, and my microbiologist, Insouciant P. We are a rap group who act as crime-fighting superheroes on the side. This is fun and they are now my friends (I bestowed their adjectives). I am also 36, and I did NOT know how to do this stuff at 23, not by a long shot.

So yeah, a little patience with yourself and with your subordinates, who probably have their own stuff going, on many levels, will get you far if you can muster it. Good luck, chica.

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2006-01-02 4:11 PM
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In a round about way I agree with what many are saying here.

First, having been in a job longer than anyone else does not a good manager make. You can't demand respect, you have to earn it. I know of what I speak. I've been at my company for about 11 years and been supervising/managing 10 of those years. (i'm 36)

Ways to earn their respect....
Lead by example, don't be afraid to get dirty and do any job that you would ask anyone else in your department to do.
Dress for success. People may laugh at this but I wear suits to work every day in a very casual work environment. First, it sends the signal I am serious and second it helps me feel more confident and people take me more seriously, *especially* those outside my department who don't know my day to day management style and temps who come in for short term assignments. (you said you were having problems with outside the dept and temps, correct?)

I know it's annoying and as a woman who's been in your position (and still runs into what you described) I can relate.

On another note, though, have you ever thought about finding a higher level manager in your organization that you really respect, admire and asked them to be your mentor? I have found that invaluable in my career. They've been a sounding board, a voice of reason, someone with more experience that can help me work through issues, problems and yes, even difficult personalities. It's just a thought, but I can't say enough about how much it has helped me.

Good luck.


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