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2006-03-09 9:32 PM
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My apologies for the comment I'm about to make.

If it were not for Soccer Mom's with Multiple Children in their SUV we wouldn't need helmets.

So please pay attention to your driving and not what other people are wearing. 

Gosh I'm sorry.  But I felt compelled to speak my mind.  Don't be a hater.



2006-03-10 8:14 AM
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foolproof - 2006-03-09 10:23 PM

the bear - 2006-03-09 2:25 PM

I've read (can't verify or provide a source) that many more head injuries could be prevented by wearing a helmet in an automobile ... .

That's a good idea ... I bang my head in frustration against the steering wheel constantly due to the total ineptidude of those driving around me.



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2006-03-10 8:15 AM
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oipolloi - 2006-03-09 10:32 PM

My apologies for the comment I'm about to make.

If it were not for Soccer Mom's with Multiple Children in their SUV we wouldn't need helmets.

So please pay attention to your driving and not what other people are wearing. 

Gosh I'm sorry.  But I felt compelled to speak my mind.  Don't be a hater.



No apologies needed. I'm not a soccer mom (yet) and I don't have an SUV. I was in my car alone after work sitting at a red light when the cyclist came up next to me. He was stopped at the red light with me so I was able to read his outfit. And I didn't say I hated the guy, just that he was stupid, and I stick with my opinion.
2006-03-10 8:21 AM
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Hmmmm, you had to go and open up the big can of helmet worms didn't you.

What is the biggest injury sustained by cyclists in crashes??? Not head injuries, it's road rash and broken wrists/collarbones. And you can't prevent that.

People have a choice to make and it is not up to others to criticize/ridicule them for that choice.

I am all for motorcycle helmets being required (as a sport bike rider from years past - and will be again as soon as I can get another bike), but actually wrote all my themed term papers in English 101 as a Freshman in undergrad. debating helmet laws and the need for helmets on cyclists.

Up until I had kids I never wore them except on race days where it was required. But I do it as an example for my kids since we will not let them ride without them. I still do sneak out on some days without one though .....
2006-03-10 8:23 AM
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MomX3 - 2006-03-10 8:15 AM
oipolloi - 2006-03-09 10:32 PM

My apologies for the comment I'm about to make.

If it were not for Soccer Mom's with Multiple Children in their SUV we wouldn't need helmets.

So please pay attention to your driving and not what other people are wearing. 

Gosh I'm sorry.  But I felt compelled to speak my mind.  Don't be a hater.

No apologies needed. I'm not a soccer mom (yet) and I don't have an SUV. I was in my car alone after work sitting at a red light when the cyclist came up next to me. He was stopped at the red light with me so I was able to read his outfit. And I didn't say I hated the guy, just that he was stupid, and I stick with my opinion.

I respect that.

I was having a flashback of an incident where a Mom and children were driving in their Navigator complete with flip down TV screen for the little rats to watch.  She turned in front of me and I almost face-planted the side of her tank.  She honked and flipped me off as if I were doing something wrong, riding a bike on a public road (I commute to wok by bike).  I've been honked and flipped off a number of times but this one really heated me.  She wasn't paying attention and almost killed me and her response was to blame me for her inattentive driving. 

I agree.  Its stupid not to wear a helmet.  I have been known not to wear one on solo country rides just to get that freedom feeling.  But I would never go out in traffic or with a group without one.  I've seen too many wrecks and heard too many stories about cyclists becoming vegetables after a simple crash.

2006-03-10 8:25 AM
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Sounds like most of the moms who lilve around me. That is why we're trying to get out of here and move back to Boston - I need to find some normal mom friends!


2006-03-10 9:18 AM
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oipolloi - 2006-03-10 9:23 AM
and heard too many stories about cyclists becoming vegetables after a simple crash.


But have you actually ever met a single one that has???

Ask Fabio Casartelli ('92 Olympic gold medalist and former Motorola teammate of Armstrong) about wearing a helmet and surviving a crash ....... oh wait, he was, and died anyways ...... of a head injury.

To say not wearing a helmet is "stupid" means to me that someone is not quite as informed about the values/lack of values of wearing a helmet as they could be.

I'm not trying to be a d--k about it, but if all we ever hear is the s--t spouted out by the helmet advocates and how horrible it is not to have them on, then of course that is what everyone is going to repeat .......
2006-03-10 9:59 AM
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I really feel like people should be allowed to make whatever decisions they want (helmet, no helmet) as long as they are willing to accept the consequences that go along with their decision.  I feel like people often make stupid decisions and then they don't want to take what goes along with it.  There just needs to be more personal responsibility in general.  I still wear a helmet because I think it's important.  I wish there was a way to protect other things - like my collarbone, which I've already broken once.  But that's just me.  Other people can do what they want and I'll do what I want.  I don't really think it's fair to decide that someone is stupid because of the decisions they make.  It's just what they've decided.  You might not agree with it, but it's certainly something that they get to decide for themselves.

2006-03-10 10:08 AM
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I think most people would agree that wearing a helmet will add a degree of safety when cycling, however, I disagree that people should speak up and make comments or suggestions when they see someone riding without a helmet.  I guess it is a pet peeve of mine...hearing people tell others what they should or should not do.  I have a neighbor who seems to think she has all the answers to life.  My favorite line from her was - "You shouldn't be sending your kids to Summer Camp.  Kids need freedom during the summer."  Meanwhile, she lost her 2 year old.  The baby was found an hour later in a neighbor's back yard across a busy road.  I don't mean to take the discussion off on a tangent but it really irks me that people have the arrogance to think they know what is best for others.  That being said, wearing a helmet for me and my kids is second nature.  We get in a car, we buckle our seat belts.  We get on our bikes, we buckle our helmets.

2006-03-10 10:16 AM
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kimta - 2006-03-10 11:08 AM

I think most people would agree that wearing a helmet will add a degree of safety when cycling, however, I disagree that people should speak up and make comments or suggestions when they see someone riding without a helmet.  .



I can't stand it either which is why I didn't actually say anything. My mother-in-law is constantly, I mean every day, many times a day, telling us how to do everything. I don't know how she became so knowledgeable but she knows about every subject in life from raising three kids (she had one) to my nutrition before a 1/2 martahon (she is obese.) My mother tells everyone how to train their dogs. She does know a lot about that subject, but if they didn't ask then don't lecture them.

edited to change marathon to 1/2 - I'm light years away from a martahon!

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2006-03-10 10:17 AM
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If you don't wear a helmet, then the devil will get you.



2006-03-10 10:24 AM
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Daremo - 2006-03-10 10:18 AM

But have you actually ever met a single one that has???



Yes, and someone we know very well as a matter of fact. He was a great cyclist, training for the Aids ride. It was early in the morning and he was training before work - he was a high school English teacher. A car hit him and drove away never to come back and admit to being the driver. Mr. Jones was in the hospital for months. They didn't think he'd live, then they didbn't think he'd be able to walk or talk. The last time I saw him he was walking with a limp and talking (very slowly) with my husband about high school days. His life will never be the same but he is alive. Even with his helmet he had brain injuries, imagine if he wasn't wearing one. Mr. Jones has now retired and moved away, but whenever my husband wants to go out without a helmet I remind him of his old teacher.

And as to the argument of everyone should be able to do what they want I agree to a point. Of course you should be able to ride without a helmet or drive without a seatbelt. I just hate it when people say things like, "as long as they are willing to take the consequences" because most likely it is not just them who would be affected by an accident. Most people out there have familes and friends who would miss them terribly if they were squashed by a car on the side of the road. I don't think it's fair when people only think of themselves, there are mothers, sisters, children, etc. to think about as well.

I still stand by my statement that riding without a helmet is stupid. If you want to do it go ahead, but it doesn't mean it's not stupid to take an easily preventable risk in my book.
2006-03-10 10:28 AM
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BellinghamSpence - 2006-03-10 11:17 AM

If you don't wear a helmet, then the devil will get you



Oh my gosh - that might be my guy - he was skinny and bald just like that.
2006-03-10 10:55 AM
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MomX3 - 2006-03-10 10:24 AM I still stand by my statement that riding without a helmet is stupid. If you want to do it go ahead, but it doesn't mean it's not stupid to take an easily preventable risk in my book.

By your logic, wouldn't you consider riding a bike legally on the road to be stupid? After all, the riskiest part of "riding a bike on the road without a helmet" is easily "riding a bike on the road." The "without a helmet" just adds an incremental amount of risk.

2006-03-10 11:00 AM
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the bear - 2006-03-10 11:55 AM

MomX3 - 2006-03-10 10:24 AM I still stand by my statement that riding without a helmet is stupid. If you want to do it go ahead, but it doesn't mean it's not stupid to take an easily preventable risk in my book.

By your logic, wouldn't you consider riding a bike legally on the road to be stupid? After all, the riskiest part of "riding a bike on the road without a helmet" is easily "riding a bike on the road." The "without a helmet" just adds an incremental amount of risk.



You're right - so you're all stupid. Just kidding. I know there are risks involved in lots of things we all do, but if there is a little measure you can take to help reduce that risk (wear a helmet, wear a seatbelt, quit smoking) then I think it would be smart to do it. I guess I shouldn't have said it is a preventabvle risk, lowering your risk would have been a better way to say it.

2006-03-10 11:20 AM
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MomX3 - 2006-03-10 11:00 AM  You're right - so you're all stupid. Just kidding. I know there are risks involved in lots of things we all do, but if there is a little measure you can take to help reduce that risk (wear a helmet, wear a seatbelt, quit smoking) then I think it would be smart to do it. I guess I shouldn't have said it is a preventabvle risk, lowering your risk would have been a better way to say it.

We can get caught up arguing the minutiae of this, but it seems to me that it lowers your risk such a tiny degree relative to the greater risk of riding your bike outside, that it's disingenuous to call someone stupid for accepting the incremental risk while ignoring the greater risk of being out there in the first place. I argue the same thing about wearing headphones while running on the road.

Regardless, that's your prerogative.



2006-03-10 11:36 AM
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And I'll state again ....... helmets do NOT prevent head injuries in most cases, especially when a car is involved. Research the facts like I did in college on the subject. In some cases they may prevent death, but brain damage will still be there. Would you rather be a veggie for your family or dead???

I have a Masters degree in Architecture and am a licensed professional Architect (not too mention was accepted into the Naval Academy in my youth), but sometimes I choose not to ride with a helmet even though I've been riding/racing for 15 years, so regardless of my education and experience I'm "stupid"?????

Then I will simply call someone that believes all the helmet rhetoric ignorant .........

2006-03-10 11:40 AM
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MomX3 - 2006-03-10 11:16 AM
kimta - 2006-03-10 11:08 AM

I think most people would agree that wearing a helmet will add a degree of safety when cycling, however, I disagree that people should speak up and make comments or suggestions when they see someone riding without a helmet.  .

I can't stand it either which is why I didn't actually say anything. My mother-in-law is constantly, I mean every day, many times a day, telling us how to do everything. I don't know how she became so knowledgeable but she knows about every subject in life from raising three kids (she had one) to my nutrition before a 1/2 martahon (she is obese.) My mother tells everyone how to train their dogs. She does know a lot about that subject, but if they didn't ask then don't lecture them. edited to change marathon to 1/2 - I'm light years away from a martahon!

Ooooh, don't get me started on stories about people commenting on other's lives.  I have loads of them!  One of my favorites is the overweight guy in my office who asked me if I was putting on a little too much weight during one of my pregnancies.  LOL!  And can you believe I held my tongue?  When are people going to understand there is no cookie cutter for life.  The world is full of individuals who make thier own decisions and choices and no one has all the "right" answers.  Sorry - end of rant!

2006-03-10 11:42 AM
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MomX3 - 2006-03-10 11:24 AM Of course you should be able to ride without a helmet or drive without a seatbelt. I just hate it when people say things like, "as long as they are willing to take the consequences" because most likely it is not just them who would be affected by an accident. Most people out there have familes and friends who would miss them terribly if they were squashed by a car on the side of the road. I don't think it's fair when people only think of themselves, there are mothers, sisters, children, etc. to think about as well. I still stand by my statement that riding without a helmet is stupid. If you want to do it go ahead, but it doesn't mean it's not stupid to take an easily preventable risk in my book.

Part of accepting the consequences is accepting the effects your actions have for everyone close to you.  I think about the consequences my actions have for me, my husband, and my family.  But, I don't think that anyone (outside of that group) should tell me what to do.  I guess I'm much more of a libertarian in that way.  People should be allowed to decide for themselves.

2006-03-10 12:35 PM
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Daremo - 2006-03-10 12:36 PM

And I'll state again ....... helmets do NOT prevent head injuries in most cases, especially when a car is involved. Research the facts like I did in college on the subject. In some cases they may prevent death, but brain damage will still be there. Would you rather be a veggie for your family or dead???

I have a Masters degree in Architecture and am a licensed professional Architect (not too mention was accepted into the Naval Academy in my youth), but sometimes I choose not to ride with a helmet even though I've been riding/racing for 15 years, so regardless of my education and experience I'm "stupid"?????

Then I will simply call someone that believes all the helmet rhetoric ignorant .........




I believe your research and I certainly don't have time to research the same. However, in the example I cited our teacher friend did not die and is not a vegetable. He is slower than he was and he's had to do tons of rehab work, but I know with 100% certainty that his sons and grandkids are happier to have him that way than dead.

And once again, I should have titled the thread, "Cyclist Commits a Stupid Act According to Amy." This would have made it perfectly clear to everyone that I do not think the man was stupid I think what he was doing was stupid.

I have seen many of your posts before and would never think you are stupid, but education isn't everything. I've known many people with lots of education who have no common sense.
2006-03-10 12:37 PM
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the bear - 2006-03-10 12:20 PM

>We can get caught up arguing the minutiae of this, but it seems to me that it lowers your risk such a tiny degree relative to the greater risk of riding your bike outside, that it's disingenuous to call someone stupid for accepting the incremental risk while ignoring the greater risk of being out there in the first place. I argue the same thing about wearing headphones while running on the road.

Regardless, that's your prerogative.




I think my main problem with this is that it would be very difficult to ride your bike at all if you didn't take the risk and ride on the road. Most of us aren't fortunate enough to have long (or any) bike trails where we live. If you're going to ride on the road it is easy enough to throw on the helmet. Driving in your car everyday is dangerous but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, just take the extra measure of safety and wear your seat belt.


2006-03-10 12:43 PM
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Artemis - 2006-03-10 12:42 PM

Part of accepting the consequences is accepting the effects your actions have for everyone close to you.  I think about the consequences my actions have for me, my husband, and my family.  But, I don't think that anyone (outside of that group) should tell me what to do.  I guess I'm much more of a libertarian in that way.  People should be allowed to decide for themselves.



I totally agree that nobody should tell me what to do as long as you're not going to hurt anybody else.
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