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 2012-06-11 9:28 PM in reply to: #4256523 |
Champion  10668     Tacoma, Washington |  Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?the bear - 2012-06-11 5:05 PM they like what they know (vehemently at times) but have little depth to their musical taste, and little desire to add any. Okay, fine. Kansas. |
| 2012-06-11 11:55 PM in reply to: #4256164 |
Extreme Veteran 875 Issaquah | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? briderdt - 2012-06-11 1:53 PM Alice in Chains.
YES! My favorite band and top of my list What's the criteria for being inducted? Looking at the inductee list, many of these don't exactly qualify as "rock and roll", even by a stretch of the definition (Madonna). My suggestions, stealing a bit from the OP.
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| 2012-06-12 1:01 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Ya, I guess to play along... The Cure The Smiths Forigner Journey... yes I said Journey Boston Motley Crue AIC Soundgarden Pearl Jam Green Day Limp Bizkit... ya. I think they were the best of their genre. Durst got hard to stomach, but I think Borland was briliant. All my earlier favorites are already in. |
| 2012-06-12 7:20 AM in reply to: #4256949 |
| Expert 1099 Broadlands | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? powerman - 2012-06-12 2:01 AM Ya, I guess to play along... The Cure The Smiths Forigner Journey... yes I said Journey Boston Motley Crue AIC Soundgarden Pearl Jam Green Day Limp Bizkit... ya. I think they were the best of their genre. Durst got hard to stomach, but I think Borland was briliant. All my earlier favorites are already in. The Cure and The Smiths. oh yes, well played! and I agree on Green Day too, they're awesome live. Now....how come no-one has mentioned Nickelback?? |
| 2012-06-12 8:13 AM in reply to: #4257116 |
| Regular 272 Houston | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? dewybuck - 2012-06-12 7:20 AM >Now....how come no-one has mentioned Nickelback?? Because of this: Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. http://rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process/ |
| 2012-06-12 8:23 AM in reply to: #4257202 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Tireman 4 - 2012-06-12 8:13 AM Which may also answer the previous raised question: Led Zeppelin released their first album in 1969, so maybe they were not even eligible until their induction year of 1995.dewybuck - 2012-06-12 7:20 AM>Now....how come no-one has mentioned Nickelback?? Because of this:Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.http://rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process/ |
| 2012-06-12 9:08 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
Veteran 275 Algonquin, IL | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Cheap Trick - When you look at their body of work and the influence they had on a generation of bands, they probably are a top 5 American band of all time (flame away) Rush Iron Maiden Judas Priest Motley Crue (eligible yet?) Kinks (cannot believe they are not in) Deep Purple Kiss - love them or hate them, they defined a genre. If Alice Cooper is in, they have to be too. Nirvana - samll body of work but defined the grunge scene, along with.... Pearl Jam (eligible?) |
| 2012-06-12 9:09 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Even as a huge Led Zeppelin fan ( at least when I was in High School), I have to admit that their work is more derivative than innovative. Should they be in the HOF, sure why not, but despite having sold a metric buttload of records and having made a lot of money, I think they ( as a originator of style or really anything new) pull up short. There is a difference between being a great musician, and coming up with something new under the sun.
I would nominate (as innovators) The Minutemen The Butthole Surfers |
| 2012-06-12 9:18 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
Elite 3277 Minnetonka | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Men Without Hats... |
| 2012-06-12 9:26 AM in reply to: #4257226 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? the bear - 2012-06-12 7:23 AM Tireman 4 - 2012-06-12 8:13 AM Which may also answer the previous raised question: Led Zeppelin released their first album in 1969, so maybe they were not even eligible until their induction year of 1995.dewybuck - 2012-06-12 7:20 AM>Now....how come no-one has mentioned Nickelback?? Because of this:Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.http://rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process/Well blow me down... sure helps when you know a little info. That explains a lot. |
| 2012-06-12 9:35 AM in reply to: #4256362 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? TheClaaaw - 2012-06-11 5:21 PM Someone surely came of age in the 80s. Not that there's anything wrong with that. scoobysdad - 2012-06-11 4:43 PM I'm not completely sure some of these bands aren't already in, but here goes... Duran Duran The Cure Def Leppard Motley Crue Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music Cheap Trick Depeche Mode Devo Mark Knopfler & Dire Straits Donna Summer Electric Light Orchestra Nine Inch Nails and, of course, Social Distortion.  True dat. But these are the deserving bands that are also becoming eligible for the first time. |
| 2012-06-12 9:50 AM in reply to: #4257342 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? cartman1966 - 2012-06-12 9:08 AM Cheap Trick - When you look at their body of work and the influence they had on a generation of bands, they probably are a top 5 American band of all time (flame away) Love Cheap Trick, but they're Top 50, not Top 5. And who did they influence? Kinks (cannot believe they are not in) inducted 1990 Nirvana - samll body of work but defined the grunge scene, along with.... Pearl Jam (eligible?) |
| 2012-06-12 10:01 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What's the criteria for being inducted? Interesting you bring this up because when talking about a lot of the bands... there was a big disconnect between those who were truly pioneers and those who sold a crapload of albums. Even just looking at Nirvana, you can trace their influences back to Mudhoney, the Melvins, Skin Yard, probably a couple other Sub-Pop labels at the time. Black Flag is another that comes to mind (different genre obviously). |
| 2012-06-12 10:23 AM in reply to: #4257503 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? spudone - 2012-06-12 9:01 AM EVERYONE has influences, that's no criteriaWhat's the criteria for being inducted? Interesting you bring this up because when talking about a lot of the bands... there was a big disconnect between those who were truly pioneers and those who sold a crapload of albums. Even just looking at Nirvana, you can trace their influences back to Mudhoney, the Melvins, Skin Yard, probably a couple other Sub-Pop labels at the time. Black Flag is another that comes to mind (different genre obviously). |
| 2012-06-12 1:04 PM in reply to: #4257547 |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? abqtj - 2012-06-12 8:23 AM spudone - 2012-06-12 9:01 AM EVERYONE has influences, that's no criteriaWhat's the criteria for being inducted? Interesting you bring this up because when talking about a lot of the bands... there was a big disconnect between those who were truly pioneers and those who sold a crapload of albums. Even just looking at Nirvana, you can trace their influences back to Mudhoney, the Melvins, Skin Yard, probably a couple other Sub-Pop labels at the time. Black Flag is another that comes to mind (different genre obviously). I'm not talking about influences though... I'm talking about bands who created a genre. That is *not* Nirvana. Nirvana made it mainstream. I guess I'm wondering how much of the criteria is "making it big". |
| 2012-06-12 2:07 PM in reply to: #4256062 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? |
| 2012-06-12 3:46 PM in reply to: #4257902 |
Master 2496 Atlanta, Georgia Gold member | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? spudone - 2012-06-12 2:04 PM abqtj - 2012-06-12 8:23 AM spudone - 2012-06-12 9:01 AM EVERYONE has influences, that's no criteriaWhat's the criteria for being inducted? Interesting you bring this up because when talking about a lot of the bands... there was a big disconnect between those who were truly pioneers and those who sold a crapload of albums. Even just looking at Nirvana, you can trace their influences back to Mudhoney, the Melvins, Skin Yard, probably a couple other Sub-Pop labels at the time. Black Flag is another that comes to mind (different genre obviously). I'm not talking about influences though... I'm talking about bands who created a genre. That is *not* Nirvana. Nirvana made it mainstream. I guess I'm wondering how much of the criteria is "making it big". There are so many bands that have flown under the radar that influenced peers or later music you could only conclude that name recognition is a mighty important criteria. There was a musician in Enlgand called Lonnie Donegan who recorded a song called "Rock Island Line" that pretty much defined a folk style called skiffle..huge hit for the time. Every bio I've read from the first and second waves of the British Invasion cites the song/musician as a key influence but I'm pretty sure even without checking that Lonnie D's mug fails to grace the halls of the HOF. Closer to our own era, a couple of guys like Alex Chilton and Jonathon Richman, who were practically godfathers of college radio/alternative, are not inductees..Long winded way of saying you had to actually shift some units to merit induction. |
| 2012-06-12 8:23 PM in reply to: #4257902 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? spudone - 2012-06-12 12:04 PM abqtj - 2012-06-12 8:23 AM spudone - 2012-06-12 9:01 AM EVERYONE has influences, that's no criteriaWhat's the criteria for being inducted? Interesting you bring this up because when talking about a lot of the bands... there was a big disconnect between those who were truly pioneers and those who sold a crapload of albums. Even just looking at Nirvana, you can trace their influences back to Mudhoney, the Melvins, Skin Yard, probably a couple other Sub-Pop labels at the time. Black Flag is another that comes to mind (different genre obviously). I'm not talking about influences though... I'm talking about bands who created a genre. That is *not* Nirvana. Nirvana made it mainstream. I guess I'm wondering how much of the criteria is "making it big". Nirvana created a genre by doing exactly that, achieving mainstream success. Until then, the first might have been a pioneer, but it was just some experimental thing a couple of musicians dug on... not a genre enjoyed by many. Obviously we can got to the extreme and look at pop songs and what it takes to make a hit, or become a one hit wonder and the like... but when someone can pop onto the scene, and put out something that makes everyone stop and take notice... that is special. Zep I did that, Black Sabbath, Apitite for Destruction, Never Mind, 10 and of course many others. Metalica had a very big underground following before they hit it big, it wasn't until Master of Pupetts that thay got real attention... same for Korn.... but when they become popular, does that all of a sudden mean they are no longer ground breakers? I didn't know the 25 year requirement, but I do remember readin gsomewhere that they didn't want to consider cuurent popularity just for those things... one hit wonders and commercial success to override significant contributions... I think the 25 year requirments does a lot for that. |
| 2012-06-13 2:03 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Stevie Ray Vaughan was eligeble in 2008. What's up with that??? |
| 2012-06-13 11:16 AM in reply to: #4257466 |
| Member 255 Lafayette, LA. | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? the bear - 2012-06-12 9:50 AM cartman1966 - 2012-06-12 9:08 AM Cheap Trick - When you look at their body of work and the influence they had on a generation of bands, they probably are a top 5 American band of all time (flame away) Love Cheap Trick, but they're Top 50, not Top 5. And who did they influence?[quote]Kinks (cannot believe they are not in) inducted 1990 Nirvana - samll body of work but defined the grunge scene, along with.... Pearl Jam (eligible?)
Seems like quite a few: "Cheap Trick is highly respected by its peers and an influence on its descendents. The band was one of Joey Ramone’s all-time favorites and has received acknowledgment from such peers as Gene Simmons, Joe Perry, and Angus Young. In 1979, Robin Zander was informally approached to join British glam rockers Sweet after the departure of singer Brian Connolly. In the 1980s, Cheap Trick garnered support from the hard rock community where bands like Mötley Crüe, Ratt and Guns N' Roses were citing its influence. An interesting shift happened during the early to mid-90s that helped fortify the band’s credibility. The band was now being seen as influential within the blossoming alternative rock scene. Kurt Cobain mentioned the band as an influence while Smashing Pumpkins showed their admiration by having Cheap Trick open shows for them. SP leader Billy Corgan has made a number of onstage guest appearances with Cheap Trick over the years. Other bands that have mentioned Cheap Trick as an inspiration and influence include Gin Blossoms, Urge Overkill, Pearl Jam, Weezer, Stone Temple Pilots, Everclear, Extreme, Enuff Z’Nuff, Green Day, American Hi-Fi, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden, Fountains of Wayne, Red Hot Chili Peppers, OK Go, Terrorvision, Kings of Leon, Husker Du, Slipknot, and the Wildhearts" trav |
| 2012-06-13 11:29 AM in reply to: #4259550 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? kritra - 2012-06-13 11:16 AM the bear - 2012-06-12 9:50 AM cartman1966 - 2012-06-12 9:08 AM Cheap Trick - When you look at their body of work and the influence they had on a generation of bands, they probably are a top 5 American band of all time (flame away) Love Cheap Trick, but they're Top 50, not Top 5. And who did they influence?[quote]Kinks (cannot believe they are not in) inducted 1990 Nirvana - samll body of work but defined the grunge scene, along with.... Pearl Jam (eligible?)
Seems like quite a few: "Cheap Trick is highly respected by its peers and an influence on its descendents. The band was one of Joey Ramone’s all-time favorites and has received acknowledgment from such peers as Gene Simmons, Joe Perry, and Angus Young. In 1979, Robin Zander was informally approached to join British glam rockers Sweet after the departure of singer Brian Connolly. In the 1980s, Cheap Trick garnered support from the hard rock community where bands like Mötley Crüe, Ratt and Guns N' Roses were citing its influence. An interesting shift happened during the early to mid-90s that helped fortify the band’s credibility. The band was now being seen as influential within the blossoming alternative rock scene. Kurt Cobain mentioned the band as an influence while Smashing Pumpkins showed their admiration by having Cheap Trick open shows for them. SP leader Billy Corgan has made a number of onstage guest appearances with Cheap Trick over the years. Other bands that have mentioned Cheap Trick as an inspiration and influence include Gin Blossoms, Urge Overkill, Pearl Jam, Weezer, Stone Temple Pilots, Everclear, Extreme, Enuff Z’Nuff, Green Day, American Hi-Fi, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden, Fountains of Wayne, Red Hot Chili Peppers, OK Go, Terrorvision, Kings of Leon, Husker Du, Slipknot, and the Wildhearts" trav I think it's great that Cheap Trick is in the HoF, but they couldn't have possibly been eligible in 1990 if there's a 25-year rule. They didn't even form as a band until 1973. Edited by scoobysdad 2012-06-13 11:30 AM |
| 2012-06-13 11:33 AM in reply to: #4256062 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? The Kinks, not Cheap Trick, were inducted in 1990. He messed up the formatting when he quoted me. |
| 2012-06-13 11:44 AM in reply to: #4259595 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? the bear - 2012-06-13 11:33 AM The Kinks, not Cheap Trick, were inducted in 1990. He messed up the formatting when he quoted me. Ah. Well then, Cheap Trick needs to be in. One thing that's very cool about them is that they seem to have influenced bands across a variety of genres-- rock, punk, metal, pop and alternative. In a way, I think their versatility and ability to transcend so many musical boundaries is almost held against them-- they are more musical chameleons than a band who established their own category. But they are very good, have sold a ton of records, were pioneers in rock and music videos and have been doing it forever. I think that counts for something. If Tom Petty is in for much the same criteria, then Cheap Trick should be in. |
| 2012-06-13 11:56 AM in reply to: #4259620 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? scoobysdad - 2012-06-13 10:44 AM the bear - 2012-06-13 11:33 AM The Kinks, not Cheap Trick, were inducted in 1990. He messed up the formatting when he quoted me. Ah. Well then, Cheap Trick needs to be in. One thing that's very cool about them is that they seem to have influenced bands across a variety of genres-- rock, punk, metal, pop and alternative. In a way, I think their versatility and ability to transcend so many musical boundaries is almost held against them-- they are more musical chameleons than a band who established their own category.But they are very good, have sold a ton of records, were pioneers in rock and music videos and have been doing it forever. I think that counts for something. If Tom Petty is in for much the same criteria, then Cheap Trick should be in. That's weird though... all those bands say they "influenced" them, but what does that mean? I've seen Slip Knot twice (not a fan,) but I don't recognize any Cheap Trick. Not really a criticism, just thought it odd that Slip Knot would be in the group. I do know they have a very big following outside of mainstream. And the "criteria" is anyone's guess. Nobody knows what that is. Sort of interesting reading all the controversy with the HoF and their selection process and who is in and who isn't. Seems progressive rock gets no love, arena bands the same... if you had a personal grudge with anyone in the industry you get the snub. Edited by powerman 2012-06-13 12:06 PM |
| 2012-06-13 11:57 AM in reply to: #4259620 |
| Member 255 Lafayette, LA. | Subject: RE: What Group Needs To Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? scoobysdad - 2012-06-13 11:44 AM the bear - 2012-06-13 11:33 AM The Kinks, not Cheap Trick, were inducted in 1990. He messed up the formatting when he quoted me. Ah. Well then, Cheap Trick needs to be in. One thing that's very cool about them is that they seem to have influenced bands across a variety of genres-- rock, punk, metal, pop and alternative. In a way, I think their versatility and ability to transcend so many musical boundaries is almost held against them-- they are more musical chameleons than a band who established their own category. But they are very good, have sold a ton of records, were pioneers in rock and music videos and have been doing it forever. I think that counts for something. If Tom Petty is in for much the same criteria, then Cheap Trick should be in. I'm not trying to make the argument that Cheap Trick should be in the HOF. I'm honestly not educated on the induction criteria enough. But they are one hell of a fun band in concert and they tour relentlessly. trav |
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