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2012-11-30 8:07 AM
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mehaner - 2012-11-30 5:43 AM

not sure if this was said, but i think if you read/listen to lots of books you can consider yourself well-read (i guess some judgment as to what types of books qualify...50 shades trilogy?  eh)

BUT it does not mean you are literate.  my pappy couldn't even write his own name, but did listen to audiobooks.  he was as illiterate as they come.



That is the other part of my question. On this advert for Canada Reads they were talking about literacy rates and how they are going up, or down....actually up with ebooks becoming much more popular. I suppose it was the way they were using the word "literacy" not so much as having the skill to read but using the skill. It struck me, given my recent enjoyment of audiobooks, as a not so precise or accurate of a way to express the idea that people are engaging with books.


2012-11-30 8:09 AM
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mehaner - 2012-11-30 5:43 AM

not sure if this was said, but i think if you read/listen to lots of books you can consider yourself well-read (i guess some judgment as to what types of books qualify...50 shades trilogy?  eh)

BUT it does not mean you are literate.  my pappy couldn't even write his own name, but did listen to audiobooks.  he was as illiterate as they come.

That is the other part of my question. On this advert for Canada Reads they were talking about literacy rates and how they are going up, or down....actually up with ebooks becoming much more popular. I suppose it was the way they were using the word "literacy" not so much as having the skill to read but using the skill. It struck me, given my recent enjoyment of audiobooks, as a not so precise or accurate of a way to express the idea that people are engaging with books.

ebooks require reading/literacy.  audiobooks do not.

2012-11-30 8:26 AM
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I have never in my life ever listened to a book.

2012-11-30 9:04 AM
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bootygirl - 2012-11-29 10:22 PM I think "well-read" is a term to describe a learned person who has read broadly and can can discuss a range of subjects and literary genres, because of that reading. It involves both the text and the context of the subject. It is rather a synonym for well-educated.

Amen.

I'll be the first to say, I'm not "well-read". I don't read too much across literary genres. I know what I like (nonfiction, mystery, adventure, and such) and I generally don't read outside of those genres.

2012-11-30 9:12 AM
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bootygirl - 2012-11-29 10:22 PM I think "well-read" is a term to describe a learned person who has read broadly and can can discuss a range of subjects and literary genres, because of that reading. It involves both the text and the context of the subject. It is rather a synonym for well-educated.

i agree with all of the above, except for that it is a synonym for well-educated.  i know plenty of brilliant engineers, for example, that are very well educated, but not well read.  i think the key to well read is the diversity piece.  however, i think that if you are well read, you are probably well educated.

i think i would consider myself well read.  and i do listen to audiobooks a lot!  i also read actual physical books, ebooks, newspapers, magazines, etc.  i 'read' lots of topics and genres.  unfortunately i don't discuss them well because i don't know many people that read the things i do, so i have nowhere to sharpen THAT part of the skill, so perhaps i'm not well read at all?

2012-11-30 9:16 AM
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MadMathemagician - 2012-11-30 8:17 AM No. How one acquires knowledge is immaterial.     There is no difference in the information whether it is attained through the printed page, the text reader, or through audio means.     Is one means of learning more effective than another?  Only on a case by case study.     

I think learning is very subjective and the mechanism by which you best assimilate knowledge is based to a large degree on early experiences. I can read scientific journals online, but if I want to really understand it fully I will still print it out and get out the highlighter and a mechanical pencil.

My oldest son is in a college which required students to purchase iPads preloaded with textbooks. That is how he studies and will likely form the basis for his future preferred means to assimilate information.



2012-11-30 9:19 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-30 10:16 AM

MadMathemagician - 2012-11-30 8:17 AM No. How one acquires knowledge is immaterial.     There is no difference in the information whether it is attained through the printed page, the text reader, or through audio means.     Is one means of learning more effective than another?  Only on a case by case study.     

I think learning is very subjective and the mechanism by which you best assimilate knowledge is based to a large degree on early experiences. I can read scientific journals online, but if I want to really understand it fully I will still print it out and get out the highlighter and a mechanical pencil.

My oldest son is in a college which required students to purchase iPads preloaded with textbooks. That is how he studies and will likely form the basis for his future preferred means to assimilate information.

i would be so mad about the ipad thing.  i would have terrible headaches from the eyestrain.  i'm with you on paper and highlighters.  i still purchase the far more expensive textbooks because i can NOT read them on my computer.  i would be miserable!!

2012-11-30 8:42 PM
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BigDH - 2012-11-30 9:07 AM
mehaner - 2012-11-30 5:43 AM

not sure if this was said, but i think if you read/listen to lots of books you can consider yourself well-read (i guess some judgment as to what types of books qualify...50 shades trilogy?  eh)

BUT it does not mean you are literate.  my pappy couldn't even write his own name, but did listen to audiobooks.  he was as illiterate as they come.

That is the other part of my question. On this advert for Canada Reads they were talking about literacy rates and how they are going up, or down....actually up with ebooks becoming much more popular. I suppose it was the way they were using the word "literacy" not so much as having the skill to read but using the skill. It struck me, given my recent enjoyment of audiobooks, as a not so precise or accurate of a way to express the idea that people are engaging with books.

ebooks require reading/literacy.  audiobooks do not.



This is an important point. Even if you know how to read, it can be challenging to parse sentence structure and "hear" it properly in your head (especially with some authors). Obviously, the more you read, the easier this gets, but it does require brain processing. In contrast, an audiobook has already done that work for you, so it requires a little less processing. However, in either case, you still need to digest what's been said, and imagine the scene.
2012-12-01 8:05 AM
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Tripolar - 2012-11-30 9:42 PM
mehaner - 2012-11-30 6:09 AM
BigDH - 2012-11-30 9:07 AM
mehaner - 2012-11-30 5:43 AM

not sure if this was said, but i think if you read/listen to lots of books you can consider yourself well-read (i guess some judgment as to what types of books qualify...50 shades trilogy?  eh)

BUT it does not mean you are literate.  my pappy couldn't even write his own name, but did listen to audiobooks.  he was as illiterate as they come.

That is the other part of my question. On this advert for Canada Reads they were talking about literacy rates and how they are going up, or down....actually up with ebooks becoming much more popular. I suppose it was the way they were using the word "literacy" not so much as having the skill to read but using the skill. It struck me, given my recent enjoyment of audiobooks, as a not so precise or accurate of a way to express the idea that people are engaging with books.

ebooks require reading/literacy.  audiobooks do not.

This is an important point. Even if you know how to read, it can be challenging to parse sentence structure and "hear" it properly in your head (especially with some authors). Obviously, the more you read, the easier this gets, but it does require brain processing. In contrast, an audiobook has already done that work for you, so it requires a little less processing. However, in either case, you still need to digest what's been said, and imagine the scene.

Conversely, if all you do is read with your eyes, you may not "hear" the word, and thus not know how to pronounce it. When I was a kid, I horribly mispronounced "Poseidon" as I had never heard the word being used. There have been a number of other words I have encountered over the years that I had no idea how to correctly pronounce until I heard them used. Audiobooks solve that problem. And mispronouncing words makes even smart well educated people sound illiterate and poorly read.

2012-12-01 9:37 AM
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Tripolar - 2012-11-30 7:42 PM

mehaner - 2012-11-30 6:09 AM

BigDH - 2012-11-30 9:07 AM
mehaner - 2012-11-30 5:43 AM

not sure if this was said, but i think if you read/listen to lots of books you can consider yourself well-read (i guess some judgment as to what types of books qualify...50 shades trilogy?  eh)

BUT it does not mean you are literate.  my pappy couldn't even write his own name, but did listen to audiobooks.  he was as illiterate as they come.

That is the other part of my question. On this advert for Canada Reads they were talking about literacy rates and how they are going up, or down....actually up with ebooks becoming much more popular. I suppose it was the way they were using the word "literacy" not so much as having the skill to read but using the skill. It struck me, given my recent enjoyment of audiobooks, as a not so precise or accurate of a way to express the idea that people are engaging with books.

ebooks require reading/literacy.  audiobooks do not.



This is an important point. Even if you know how to read, it can be challenging to parse sentence structure and "hear" it properly in your head (especially with some authors). Obviously, the more you read, the easier this gets, but it does require brain processing. In contrast, an audiobook has already done that work for you, so it requires a little less processing. However, in either case, you still need to digest what's been said, and imagine the scene.


The more I think about it, if you are a good reader than listening is always going to be more difficult than reading. You can read at your own pace, check back other sentences or paragraphs, jump a head sentences or paragraphs, scan a paragraph then read certain sentences in or out of order. When you listen, doing that is not as practical. The information is presented in one manner and you better be on the ball to get it all. So I guess the work has been done for you, but it may not be how you would do the work yourself.
2012-12-01 10:37 AM
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CitySky - 2012-11-29 7:00 PM

I have blind friends who say that those of us who haven't listened to the audio versions of the Harry Potter series haven't really "read" the books.  They swear that we are seriously missing out.

po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  Call it what you will.  And enjoy your reading. 

I've read all the HP books and listened to all of them on audiobook. I have to say that while I have enjoyed the audiobook versions, Jim Dale ( the reader) presents Herimone as simpering and somewhat whiny, dependent, and withdrawing--none of which I got from the books. It is all in his voice inflection.If I had only ever listened to the books I do not think I wold like them as much as I have, and I positive that I wouldn't have read the physical books.


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CitySky - 2012-11-29 7:00 PM

I have blind friends who say that those of us who haven't listened to the audio versions of the Harry Potter series haven't really "read" the books.  They swear that we are seriously missing out.

po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  Call it what you will.  And enjoy your reading. 

I've read all the HP books and listened to all of them on audiobook. I have to say that while I have enjoyed the audiobook versions, Jim Dale ( the reader) presents Herimone as simpering and somewhat whiny, dependent, and withdrawing--none of which I got from the books. It is all in his voice inflection.If I had only ever listened to the books I do not think I wold like them as much as I have, and I positive that I wouldn't have read the physical books.

Interesting, thanks for the heads up.  It's hard to think of Hermione like that -- her essential competence is such a core feature of the series.  Now I want to go ask my blind friend to describe the character of Hermione...

2012-12-02 7:53 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-11-29 3:32 PM

I like the feel of the book in my hands as I read. Even the paper has a distinct smell.  I can read technical materials on the screen all day, but when I'm relaxing I want to hold a book. Have an iPad, read 2-3 books on it and gave up.

I don't care for audiobooks, obviously. Why have cheese-whiz when you can have aged cheddar?

It won't give you that distinct smell, but forget the ipad for books, unless it is a technical manual or something similar. For novels, or other prose, a true e-reader is as close to a book as you can get. I was a skeptic, but I am now sold. The e-ink technology is no strain, and has the same feel and effect on the eye as paper. It is too bad that he rush to "next generation" e-readers jumped so soon to yet another glowing screen, i.e. kindle fire or iPad. In this house we have them all, but if I want to read a book, I prefer my basic kindle. It is nice to access my kindle library on ipad for any photos that may be included in a book, but I go back to the basic kindle all the time.

2012-12-03 1:10 PM
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Personally I think you can.  But I'm an audiobook guy and my wife teases me about it when I say something about a book I"m listening too.  It's fine, people have opinions.  However, I still learn a lot and benefit from what I listen to.  Infact, I would argue more.  I do read hard copy as well from time to time, but I'm not good at it.  I'm a person who needs to be engaged in multiple activities all the time.  I'm always too busy to just sit and read a book.  I can listen to them while I'm on the train going over emials for work or driving, or running.  I get a lot more "reading" done this way than I would normally, so I'd think I'm more "well read" because of audio books.
2012-12-03 4:10 PM
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I totally agree with Mehaner:  well read -- possibly, literate (if this was all you did) -- no.

OP - I am exactly like you. I read the paper and magazines in print or online, but I prefer to use audiobooks for the majority of my pleasure reading. I listen in the car on my longish commute and I can get through so many more stories.  I used to read a lot when I took the bus to work, but when that changed I had few other times to read.  I am actually much more well read now, I ingest SO many more stories.  I even listened to a few non-fiction books, something I would never have read.  I struggle when I want to talk about a book "I read, no... listened to that book and...."  It's awkward.   If I hear about a book I am interested in the first place I check is the library econtent catalog. If I can't get the audiobook I often don't bother.   I will occasionally get an ebook or "real book", which I had to do recently for book club after exhausting all other options.

I think I am not a very good visual learner because, despite my college degree in English Lit, reading comprehension is not my best thing.   I get SO MUCH MORE out of audio books when I am helped with the appropriate inflections of the narrator.

I think the ideal situation would be to read along, from the book, with an audiobook.  Then you will really learn the vocabulary and spelling, which is the best thing I got from being an avid reader my whole life.  Especially if the narrator is talented and good with other languages and can pronounce words correctly.  I would surely limit my children in the number of audiobooks they listen to (if I had any).  Folks are already bad enough at spelling, can you imagine if they didn't see words spelled correctly on a regular basis? 



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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-03 5:10 PM

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I think the ideal situation would be to read along, from the book, with an audiobook.  Then you will really learn the vocabulary and spelling, which is the best thing I got from being an avid reader my whole life.  Especially if the narrator is talented and good with other languages and can pronounce words correctly.  I would surely limit my children in the number of audiobooks they listen to (if I had any).  Folks are already bad enough at spelling, can you imagine if they didn't see words spelled correctly on a regular basis? 

A lot depends on the age of the child. An audio book, for a kid, is no different than having a bedtime story read to you. Except there is on the one hand a reader who doesn't get tired of reading the same book but on the other hand is not there to actually tuck you in and give you a kiss and tell you that you are loved.

My oldest daughter used to get books read to her by myself and mrs gearboy; as well as having a collection of books on tape (actual cassette tapes, back in the day). She would follow the print version of the audiobooks while she was settling in for the night, and unbeknownst to us, taught herself how to read by 4. We only figured this out when visiting relatives, she took a book she did not own and started to actually read the text aloud.



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