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 2013-01-02 1:50 PM in reply to: #4558237 |
Veteran  1019  St. Louis |  Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firingsthe bear - 2013-01-02 1:47 PM No mitigating circumstances last season when the Saints got beat by Alex Smith and made him look like Steve Young in the process, or the previous year when they missed 14 tackles on a single run by Marshawn Lynch, each of which ended the season for them. Not saying you have to build around a defense but you do have to have some semblance. My Bears defense finished 3rd in the league in points allowed, 5th in yards allowed, and 2nd in turnovers. Whole lot a good that did. I'll take a good offense any day. |
| 2013-01-02 1:51 PM in reply to: #4558243 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290   The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings pitt83 - 2013-01-02 1:49 PM The Alex Smith drive was just as epic, as failures go. Alex effing Smith.the bear - 2013-01-02 2:47 PMNo mitigating circumstances last season when the Saints got beat by Alex Smith and made him look like Steve Young in the process, or the previous year when they missed 14 tackles on a single run by Marshawn Lynch, each of which ended the season for them. Not saying you have to build around a defense but you do have to have some semblance. Epic.defensive.fail. I'll give you that one. |
| 2013-01-02 1:54 PM in reply to: #4558223 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings pitt83 - 2013-01-02 2:39 PM the bear - 2013-01-02 2:35 PM Exactly the team who came to mind. But there were far more mitigating circumstances for the Saints this year. Look at New England: All their focus is on offense and a defense which can protect inside the 20 with interchangable generic parts. Except for Wolfork who counts for about 3 guys...pitt83 - 2013-01-02 1:14 PM Look no further than the Saints for an answer to your question: we do! It's great to have 6600 yards offense and average 29 points per game but if you give up 7000/28 your going to finish around/under .500.BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-01-02 12:11 PM Ya know; the more I think about it: Who really needs defense anymore? Draft speed on offense. That's what's winning games. You can't touch a reciever, you can't hit a reciever, no one runs the ball (except Minnesota). Why emphasize defense? Draft o-line, pick up wide reciever in free agency at their peak and draft and hold a QB. dmbfan4life20 - 2013-01-02 10:55 AM If Kelly goes to Philly, do they keep vick as qb? he would fit Kelly's system that he runs @ Oregon. Maybe my current disgust with the organization is clouding my view, but I am ready to take the hit for next season and clean house. All they are doing with Vick is delaying the inevitable, plus the odds are 100% that he will get hurt before half the season is done. However, if Kelly does come to Philly, Vick does fit his type of offense. Plus I don't see Geno Smith being worth a draft pick. I really want to see the Eagles build on defense. It's been pitiful since the loss of Jim Johnson. If you can hold them to 3 in the red zone, and you've got decent offense, trading 3 for 7 will win games. If you're trading 7 for 7, you're odds go way down. And you need to hold them on 4th-and-short. Eagles haven't been able to do either for almost 3 years now. So when the offense began to have issues, they got crushed. |
| 2013-01-02 1:59 PM in reply to: #4555367 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings My Clowns are interviewing the coach from Syracuse. Since I moved away from Ohio, can I change teams? Is that allowed in the rule book?
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| 2013-01-02 2:03 PM in reply to: #4558272 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings Hugh in TX - 2013-01-02 2:59 PM My Clowns are interviewing the coach from Syracuse. Since I moved away from Ohio, can I change teams? Is that allowed in the rule book?
No, you must suffer along with the rest of us. The only exception is college teams. Whichever school calls you incessantly for alumni donations remains your team Edited by BrianRunsPhilly 2013-01-02 2:03 PM |
| 2013-01-02 2:35 PM in reply to: #4558258 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-01-02 2:54 PM pitt83 - 2013-01-02 2:39 PM the bear - 2013-01-02 2:35 PM Exactly the team who came to mind. But there were far more mitigating circumstances for the Saints this year. Look at New England: All their focus is on offense and a defense which can protect inside the 20 with interchangable generic parts. Except for Wolfork who counts for about 3 guys...pitt83 - 2013-01-02 1:14 PM Look no further than the Saints for an answer to your question: we do! It's great to have 6600 yards offense and average 29 points per game but if you give up 7000/28 your going to finish around/under .500.BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-01-02 12:11 PM Ya know; the more I think about it: Who really needs defense anymore? Draft speed on offense. That's what's winning games. You can't touch a reciever, you can't hit a reciever, no one runs the ball (except Minnesota). Why emphasize defense? Draft o-line, pick up wide reciever in free agency at their peak and draft and hold a QB. dmbfan4life20 - 2013-01-02 10:55 AM If Kelly goes to Philly, do they keep vick as qb? he would fit Kelly's system that he runs @ Oregon. Maybe my current disgust with the organization is clouding my view, but I am ready to take the hit for next season and clean house. All they are doing with Vick is delaying the inevitable, plus the odds are 100% that he will get hurt before half the season is done. However, if Kelly does come to Philly, Vick does fit his type of offense. Plus I don't see Geno Smith being worth a draft pick. I really want to see the Eagles build on defense. It's been pitiful since the loss of Jim Johnson. If you can hold them to 3 in the red zone, and you've got decent offense, trading 3 for 7 will win games. If you're trading 7 for 7, you're odds go way down. And you need to hold them on 4th-and-short. Eagles haven't been able to do either for almost 3 years now. So when the offense began to have issues, they got crushed. True. And, with more thought, New England plays Buffalo twice, Miami twice and the Jets twice. when a team spots you a butt fumble touchdown + 2 others, you really don't need much to win. Edited by pitt83 2013-01-02 2:36 PM |
| 2013-01-03 10:13 AM in reply to: #4558277 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-01-02 2:03 PM Hugh in TX - 2013-01-02 2:59 PM My Clowns are interviewing the coach from Syracuse. Since I moved away from Ohio, can I change teams? Is that allowed in the rule book?
No, you must suffer along with the rest of us. The only exception is college teams. Whichever school calls you incessantly for alumni donations remains your team Sweet as I went to Texas A&M. I confound native Texans as I am a Yankee Aggie. |
| 2013-01-03 10:32 AM in reply to: #4555367 |
Expert 790 Frisco | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings |
| 2013-01-03 10:34 AM in reply to: #4559835 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this? |
| 2013-01-03 10:41 AM in reply to: #4559839 |
Expert 790 Frisco | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?doesnt kc have the first pick this year? |
| 2013-01-03 10:50 AM in reply to: #4555367 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings How many of the 7 end up with Head jobs elsewhere? I have 4 as my number. Reid is/was the easy one. Next guess is Lovie. I have no clue where he'll end up though. |
| 2013-01-03 11:04 AM in reply to: #4559858 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:41 AM pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?doesnt kc have the first pick this year? Yes, and ESPN says Reid spent 9 hours there yesterday working on contract details. I'd rather see him at KC than AZ, if for no other reason than to keep him out of the Eagles division. He's still a very good coach. |
| 2013-01-03 1:32 PM in reply to: #4559839 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?Or the fact that they actually have a pretty good team, despite their record, a first round draft pick and 5 pro-bowlers. Maybe he sees much more upside to KC than AZ. |
| 2013-01-03 1:36 PM in reply to: #4560257 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings crowny2 - 2013-01-03 1:32 PM pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?Or the fact that they actually have a pretty good team, despite their record, a first round draft pick and 5 pro-bowlers. Maybe he sees much more upside to KC than AZ.
I can't picture Reid in any place that isn't cold! |
| 2013-01-03 1:41 PM in reply to: #4560257 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings crowny2 - 2013-01-03 2:32 PM pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?Or the fact that they actually have a pretty good team, despite their record, a first round draft pick and 5 pro-bowlers. Maybe he sees much more upside to KC than AZ. I'd bet he's got free reign at KC to set everything up his way. The pro bowlers are nice, but c'mon: pro bowl doesn't mean quality; it means popular. Romo gets to the pro bowl! Plus, who's your consensus number one pick this year? Anyone scream pick me except maybe Mantei Teo? And I still suspect soemthing's not right in AZ. No one will go near the place. Edited by pitt83 2013-01-03 1:42 PM |
| 2013-01-03 1:48 PM in reply to: #4560257 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings crowny2 - 2013-01-03 1:32 PM pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?Or the fact that they actually have a pretty good team, despite their record, a first round draft pick and 5 pro-bowlers. Maybe he sees much more upside to KC than AZ. Reid used to live in the general area when he coached for Mizzou, and still has a vacation home at the Lake of the Ozarks. Plus, in KC he'll get to hire his own GM and fans will give him a pass for a year or two while he builds his team. The Chicago job is the one that would suck. Bears fans (myself included) are going to demand immediate results. That defense is getting pretty long in the tooth, and any coach that can't win right away is going to get thrown under the bus. |
| 2013-01-03 1:50 PM in reply to: #4560309 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings kevin_trapp - 2013-01-03 2:48 PM crowny2 - 2013-01-03 1:32 PM pitt83 - 2013-01-03 10:34 AM Boogie7247 - 2013-01-03 11:32 AM Andy Reid to KC Bizzaro. Wouldn't you look at other opportunities? Something must really stink under the covers in Arizona. First Peyton Manning won't even look and now this?Or the fact that they actually have a pretty good team, despite their record, a first round draft pick and 5 pro-bowlers. Maybe he sees much more upside to KC than AZ. Reid used to live in the general area when he coached for Mizzou, and still has a vacation home at the Lake of the Ozarks. Plus, in KC he'll get to hire his own GM and fans will give him a pass for a year or two while he builds his team. The Chicago job is the one that would suck. Bears fans (myself included) are going to demand immediate results. That defense is getting pretty long in the tooth, and any coach that can't win right away is going to get thrown under the bus. Wrong: The Buffalo job is going to suck, cause, well: It's Buffalo. Same is true about Cleveland. |
| 2013-01-03 1:56 PM in reply to: #4560309 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings kevin_trapp - 2013-01-03 1:48 PM Plus, in KC he'll get to hire his own GM and fans will give him a pass for a year or two while he builds his team. I'd agree with this. Chief's Fans are a little more receptive if you're improving over time. |
| 2013-01-03 2:01 PM in reply to: #4555367 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings If I was him I'd pick AZ over KC. They have a good defense and with Fitzgerald, are really just a decent QB away from being competitive. |
| 2013-01-03 2:06 PM in reply to: #4560337 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings GomesBolt - 2013-01-03 1:56 PM kevin_trapp - 2013-01-03 1:48 PM Plus, in KC he'll get to hire his own GM and fans will give him a pass for a year or two while he builds his team. I'd agree with this. Chief's Fans are a little more receptive if you're improving over time. Also, Seattle and SF are going to make the NFC West a tough division to win for a long time. Once Payton retires in a year or two, the AFC West will be wide open. |
| 2013-01-03 2:11 PM in reply to: #4560353 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings JoshR - 2013-01-03 2:01 PM If I was him I'd pick AZ over KC. They have a good defense and with Fitzgerald, are really just a decent QB away from being competitive. AZ's offensive line is why they can't get a decent QB. Hard to throw from your back. They have plenty of issues. |
| 2013-01-03 2:25 PM in reply to: #4560377 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings GomesBolt - 2013-01-03 1:11 PM JoshR - 2013-01-03 2:01 PM If I was him I'd pick AZ over KC. They have a good defense and with Fitzgerald, are really just a decent QB away from being competitive. AZ's offensive line is why they can't get a decent QB. Hard to throw from your back. They have plenty of issues.
That's easily fixed in a year or two of drafting. The proof is in their improbable 4-0 start. They managed to beat NE at home without much of an offense. Reid is an offensive specialist. The only reason I wouldn't go, is how tough the division is. SF and my Seahawks look set for a decent length of time with their coaches/young QB's. The Rams are on the upswing under Fisher. This is going to be a tough division for quite some time. |
| 2013-01-03 2:36 PM in reply to: #4560337 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings GomesBolt - 2013-01-03 1:56 PM kevin_trapp - 2013-01-03 1:48 PM Plus, in KC he'll get to hire his own GM and fans will give him a pass for a year or two while he builds his team. I'd agree with this. Chief's Fans are a little more receptive if you're improving over time. And as a whole, they are not thrilled with how Pioli handled the Haley debacle. They went from Peterson, who was the pinicle of class to Pioli who appears to be an egomaniacle jack wad. |
| 2013-01-03 3:00 PM in reply to: #4560320 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings pitt83 - 2013-01-03 1:50 PM Wrong: The Buffalo job is going to suck, cause, well: It's Buffalo. Same is true about Cleveland. This quote carries no weight coming from someone who lives/lived in Pittsburgh |
| 2013-01-03 3:02 PM in reply to: #4560522 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Out with the old - football firings Hugh in TX - 2013-01-03 3:00 PM pitt83 - 2013-01-03 1:50 PM Wrong: The Buffalo job is going to suck, cause, well: It's Buffalo. Same is true about Cleveland. This quote carries no weight coming from someone who lives/lived in Pittsburgh ^^ Here Here... Sorry Pitt. But your rust has rust... |
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