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 2013-05-06 1:23 PM in reply to: #4729638 |
Champion  7347     SRQ, FL |  Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax BillAcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:06 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. You have to do a million dollars of business in a state to be subject to collecting taxes. Once you do that, I don't know that you are a "small business" anymore. Where did you get this? I had to collect tax from day one in my business. It took us 3 years before we hit $1 million. According to the SBA you can have sales up to $25 million depending on your classification and still be a small business. Sales <> profits... |
| 2013-05-06 1:23 PM in reply to: #4729661 |
Arch-Bishop of BT 10278 Pittsburgh | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. |
| 2013-05-06 1:24 PM in reply to: #4729644 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill Aarondb4 - 2013-05-06 1:08 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 11:22 AM GomesBolt - 2013-05-06 12:18 PM Buy local? Whatever happened to the free market economy on which this country was built? How about if the small businesses want to attract customers they lower their prices! Buy local be damned, I'm buying where I can save the most money. Aarondb4 - 2013-05-06 11:58 AM
I gotta call BS on all the talk about leveling the playing field and fairness and all that. I don't buy online because I get to skip the 6% sales tax. I buy online because I can't get it here or because the price is 20-30% cheaper online. The lack of sales tax collection is not hurting local stores by any means IMO. Why would I want to pay for shipping and wait 3-5 business days to save 6%? I wouldn't. Who this does hurt is smaller online retailers that now have a whole heap of compliance to deal with. Yet more regulation under the guise of fairness that just makes it harder for small places to operate. In Boise, maybe not. In Oakland (or anywhere in CA for that matter) where Sales Tax is 9-12% this is bigger. Florida and Texas get a lot from tax dollars because they have no income tax. I just know that some stores will use this as a reason to bump the price even higher than online and continue to push the "buy local" piece but if you're paying all the taxes as if you had bought it local, there goes most of their dollars and cents arguments. I heard about businesses standing-up who will serve as a middle man in Delaware and Oregon (zero sales tax) who will process purchases and reship them for less than the price if you had to pay your states 9-12% tax. It will only work for large purchases of course. Did someone kick you out of the liberal hippie group and now you want to join the other side? I sent him a bunch of Rush Limbaugh CD's last week. I can see they're paying off. |
| 2013-05-06 1:25 PM in reply to: #4729697 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill akustix - 2013-05-06 1:23 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. I don't. The only time I ever see the police is when they're harassing me. And I don't have a car, so why should I have to pay taxes? It's bunk, yo. Total bunk! |
| 2013-05-06 1:26 PM in reply to: #4729697 |
Champion 18680  Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill akustix - 2013-05-06 2:23 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. Hmmm seems to me like they just put internet retailers at a distinct disadvantage, not leveled the playing fiels. They now have to keep track of ever changing tax rates from all over the country and administer getting those taxes sent to the right people. You will pretty much kill the mom and pops of the internet with this. |
| 2013-05-06 1:30 PM in reply to: #4729673 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill GomesBolt - 2013-05-06 1:16 PM tuwood - 2013-05-06 1:12 PM I just got back from Best Buy getting a new set of PowerBeats earbuds (See "things I regret" thread about cat eating the old ones). Snerk. I was following before you explained it. oh hah, where'd i get the "things you regret" part. it was the "things you should have learned the first time" thread. Then again, I do regret not offing the cat after the first time. |
| 2013-05-06 1:35 PM in reply to: #4729707 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:26 PM akustix - 2013-05-06 2:23 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. Hmmm seems to me like they just put internet retailers at a distinct disadvantage, not leveled the playing fiels. They now have to keep track of ever changing tax rates from all over the country and administer getting those taxes sent to the right people. You will pretty much kill the mom and pops of the internet with this. OK I don't follow -- how does it put an internet retailer at a disadvantage if the consumer pays the same rate in a brick-and-mortar or if they pay online? As some have mentioned, the price is usually what drives internet business so if their price is 20 percent lower, you're still going to save even with sales tax, so why would I buy from a mom-and-pop brick-and-mortar when I could buy from a ma-and-pa online store? |
| 2013-05-06 1:40 PM in reply to: #4729736 |
| 358 | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill mr2tony - 2013-05-06 1:35 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:26 PM OK I don't follow -- how does it put an internet retailer at a disadvantage if the consumer pays the same rate in a brick-and-mortar or if they pay online? As some have mentioned, the price is usually what drives internet business so if their price is 20 percent lower, you're still going to save even with sales tax, so why would I buy from a mom-and-pop brick-and-mortar when I could buy from a ma-and-pa online store? akustix - 2013-05-06 2:23 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. Hmmm seems to me like they just put internet retailers at a distinct disadvantage, not leveled the playing fiels. They now have to keep track of ever changing tax rates from all over the country and administer getting those taxes sent to the right people. You will pretty much kill the mom and pops of the internet with this.
Because it's a giant, time intensive administrative nightmare for shopping cart software to check a database of tax rates against zip codes. |
| 2013-05-06 1:42 PM in reply to: #4729753 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill RussTKD - 2013-05-06 1:40 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 1:35 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:26 PM OK I don't follow -- how does it put an internet retailer at a disadvantage if the consumer pays the same rate in a brick-and-mortar or if they pay online? As some have mentioned, the price is usually what drives internet business so if their price is 20 percent lower, you're still going to save even with sales tax, so why would I buy from a mom-and-pop brick-and-mortar when I could buy from a ma-and-pa online store? akustix - 2013-05-06 2:23 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. Hmmm seems to me like they just put internet retailers at a distinct disadvantage, not leveled the playing fiels. They now have to keep track of ever changing tax rates from all over the country and administer getting those taxes sent to the right people. You will pretty much kill the mom and pops of the internet with this.
Because it's a giant, time intensive administrative nightmare for shopping cart software to check a database of tax rates against zip codes. That's the price of doing business. |
| 2013-05-06 1:42 PM in reply to: #4729753 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill RussTKD - 2013-05-06 2:40 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 1:35 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:26 PM OK I don't follow -- how does it put an internet retailer at a disadvantage if the consumer pays the same rate in a brick-and-mortar or if they pay online? As some have mentioned, the price is usually what drives internet business so if their price is 20 percent lower, you're still going to save even with sales tax, so why would I buy from a mom-and-pop brick-and-mortar when I could buy from a ma-and-pa online store? akustix - 2013-05-06 2:23 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I understand that the tax dollars are going to the state in which the purchaser resides, so you are using those things. Hmmm seems to me like they just put internet retailers at a distinct disadvantage, not leveled the playing fiels. They now have to keep track of ever changing tax rates from all over the country and administer getting those taxes sent to the right people. You will pretty much kill the mom and pops of the internet with this.
Because it's a giant, time intensive administrative nightmare for shopping cart software to check a database of tax rates against zip codes. ^This. Mom and pop brick shop has 1 set of tax codes to deal with. Mom and pop internet has to deal with every state, city and local tax code from everywhere they potentially sell so basically everywhere!
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| 2013-05-06 1:49 PM in reply to: #4729238 |
| 358 | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill My sarcasm wasn't coming through.
If/when this goes into effect, webhosting companies and the like will have software packages for mom&pop internet storefronts that will automatically reference tax rates for a zip code to a database. The overhead for the store owner will be nil.
I'm pretty confident the payments to the various locales will be simplified as well.
It's a non-issue.
For the record, I understand the reason for this proposal. But for selfish reasons I don't like it. I begrudgingly support it. |
| 2013-05-06 1:50 PM in reply to: #4729762 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill Why is it that's it's based on where the person is located from that they have to pay that tax. When I travel out of state and buy things at stores they don't charge me my home state's tax rate? They charge where I bought it. I realize that the states want the extra money, but I'd think the home state of where on online retailer is located would be just as upset that they are losing extra money also |
| 2013-05-06 1:56 PM in reply to: #4729785 |
| 358 | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill The whole point of it is so states can recapture lost sales tax revenues. |
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| Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill AcesFull - 2013-05-06 3:01 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I have no plans to use police or fire anytime soon. I do, however, drive on the roads and send my children to school. Should I ask for a discount, then maybe just pay per use for the police and fire? *rolls eyes* really that tired argument/red herring again??? actually I was refferring to the business using those service. and like it or not you use the police every day even if they are not coming to your house directly. Edited by trinnas 2013-05-06 2:06 PM |
| 2013-05-06 2:08 PM in reply to: #4729782 |
| Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill RussTKD - 2013-05-06 1:49 PM My sarcasm wasn't coming through.
If/when this goes into effect, webhosting companies and the like will have software packages for mom&pop internet storefronts that will automatically reference tax rates for a zip code to a database. The overhead for the store owner will be nil.
I'm pretty confident the payments to the various locales will be simplified as well.
It's a non-issue.
For the record, I understand the reason for this proposal. But for selfish reasons I don't like it. I begrudgingly support it. There's a lot more to it. Yes the calculating the rates and charging the customer will likely be this simple, but you're missing the bigger back end. As a business I can't just send a check to California and say it's for my taxes. I have to register with the state as a business and conform to their sales laws. I then have to understand their sales laws to ensure that I'm in compliance with them. Then, I have to determine when I send the money. For example in my state they have several different schedules and it can change based on the amount of tax you collect. Assuming my business is now registered in 45 states I am subject to audits by 45 different states and have to report all of my income to them and explain what is taxable and what isn't taxable. With States like California who are desperate for money they will likely try to claim a lot more money than they are entitled to and force me to prove otherwise. If I can't prove it to their liking they will come after me. One example I have from my business a couple years ago: I have a Nebraska based business and we did some remote phone based consulting for a company based in Los Angeles. The state listed us as a vendor on their books, as they should have. They were audited by the state and the state came after us to pay taxes on the out of state services revenue we provided to them. In California services revenue is taxable, but in my state it is not. They sent us a lot of very threatening mail with lawsuit potential and everything else. Based on my accountants advice we just ignored it all and it went away because we weren't registered as a CA business. Even if I wanted to pay them tax $ I couldn't have without registering which I of course would never do. |
| 2013-05-06 2:14 PM in reply to: #4729837 |
| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill tuwood - 2013-05-06 2:08 PM RussTKD - 2013-05-06 1:49 PM My sarcasm wasn't coming through.
If/when this goes into effect, webhosting companies and the like will have software packages for mom&pop internet storefronts that will automatically reference tax rates for a zip code to a database. The overhead for the store owner will be nil.
I'm pretty confident the payments to the various locales will be simplified as well.
It's a non-issue.
For the record, I understand the reason for this proposal. But for selfish reasons I don't like it. I begrudgingly support it. There's a lot more to it. Yes the calculating the rates and charging the customer will likely be this simple, but you're missing the bigger back end. As a business I can't just send a check to California and say it's for my taxes. I have to register with the state as a business and conform to their sales laws. I then have to understand their sales laws to ensure that I'm in compliance with them. Then, I have to determine when I send the money. For example in my state they have several different schedules and it can change based on the amount of tax you collect. Assuming my business is now registered in 45 states I am subject to audits by 45 different states and have to report all of my income to them and explain what is taxable and what isn't taxable. With States like California who are desperate for money they will likely try to claim a lot more money than they are entitled to and force me to prove otherwise. If I can't prove it to their liking they will come after me. One example I have from my business a couple years ago: I have a Nebraska based business and we did some remote phone based consulting for a company based in Los Angeles. The state listed us as a vendor on their books, as they should have. They were audited by the state and the state came after us to pay taxes on the out of state services revenue we provided to them. In California services revenue is taxable, but in my state it is not. They sent us a lot of very threatening mail with lawsuit potential and everything else. Based on my accountants advice we just ignored it all and it went away because we weren't registered as a CA business. Even if I wanted to pay them tax $ I couldn't have without registering which I of course would never do. So, it's a non-issue, is what you're saying? |
| 2013-05-06 2:15 PM in reply to: #4729828 |
| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:05 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 3:01 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I have no plans to use police or fire anytime soon. I do, however, drive on the roads and send my children to school. Should I ask for a discount, then maybe just pay per use for the police and fire? *rolls eyes* really that tired argument/red herring again??? actually I was refferring to the business using those service. and like it or not you use the police every day even if they are not coming to your house directly. I'm just grossly overtaxed for things I don't use. Like the police and fire and roads. If I don't use it, why should I have to pay for it!? |
| 2013-05-06 2:28 PM in reply to: #4729650 |
| Member 465 | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill AcesFull - 2013-05-06 1:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. I agree that you should pay your taxes. I don't agree that a business in New Hampshire is now required to act as a tax collector for the State of California. |
| 2013-05-06 2:29 PM in reply to: #4729837 |
| Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill tuwood - 2013-05-06 2:08 PM RussTKD - 2013-05-06 1:49 PM My sarcasm wasn't coming through.
If/when this goes into effect, webhosting companies and the like will have software packages for mom&pop internet storefronts that will automatically reference tax rates for a zip code to a database. The overhead for the store owner will be nil.
I'm pretty confident the payments to the various locales will be simplified as well.
It's a non-issue.
For the record, I understand the reason for this proposal. But for selfish reasons I don't like it. I begrudgingly support it. There's a lot more to it. Yes the calculating the rates and charging the customer will likely be this simple, but you're missing the bigger back end. As a business I can't just send a check to California and say it's for my taxes. I have to register with the state as a business and conform to their sales laws. I then have to understand their sales laws to ensure that I'm in compliance with them. Then, I have to determine when I send the money. For example in my state they have several different schedules and it can change based on the amount of tax you collect. Assuming my business is now registered in 45 states I am subject to audits by 45 different states and have to report all of my income to them and explain what is taxable and what isn't taxable. With States like California who are desperate for money they will likely try to claim a lot more money than they are entitled to and force me to prove otherwise. If I can't prove it to their liking they will come after me. One example I have from my business a couple years ago: I have a Nebraska based business and we did some remote phone based consulting for a company based in Los Angeles. The state listed us as a vendor on their books, as they should have. They were audited by the state and the state came after us to pay taxes on the out of state services revenue we provided to them. In California services revenue is taxable, but in my state it is not. They sent us a lot of very threatening mail with lawsuit potential and everything else. Based on my accountants advice we just ignored it all and it went away because we weren't registered as a CA business. Even if I wanted to pay them tax $ I couldn't have without registering which I of course would never do.
That's why I don't understand why it's based on where the person buying it is vs where the actual store is. This bill doesn't mean people will stop buying things off the internet at a cheaper price. So it's not really going to generate more income for the local store. It's just a lazy way for a state to not have to offer anything to attract business to move to their state, but still get money from the state where the actual business is located from.
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| 2013-05-06 2:36 PM in reply to: #4729638 |
| Member 465 | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill AcesFull - 2013-05-06 1:06 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. You have to do a million dollars of business in a state to be subject to collecting taxes. Once you do that, I don't know that you are a "small business" anymore. In fact, this is likely to HELP small business. Local Mom and Pops have enough trouble competing with Amazon already. Add to that, Amazon is TAX-FREE (at least in MN) and how is a small business owner to survive? And yes, I know I'm supposed to track my purchases and pay taxes, but I'm pretty sure there is one guy up in Duluth who does that, but nobody else does. Let's see.... Average profit margin in the retail industry is 3-6%. So the owner of that huge million dollar business is raking in $30-$60k a year in profit. I think your definition of big business is a little smaller than mine.
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| 2013-05-06 2:38 PM in reply to: #4729797 |
| Member 465 | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill RussTKD - 2013-05-06 1:56 PM The whole point of it is so states can recapture lost sales tax revenues. They can...Just go after the citizens of their state who are under reporting use tax. But that would be too hard and it is much easier to have businesses do the work for you.
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| 2013-05-06 2:39 PM in reply to: #4729851 |
| Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill mr2tony - 2013-05-06 3:15 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:05 PM I'm just grossly overtaxed for things I don't use. Like the police and fire and roads. If I don't use it, why should I have to pay for it!? AcesFull - 2013-05-06 3:01 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I have no plans to use police or fire anytime soon. I do, however, drive on the roads and send my children to school. Should I ask for a discount, then maybe just pay per use for the police and fire? *rolls eyes* really that tired argument/red herring again??? actually I was refferring to the business using those service. and like it or not you use the police every day even if they are not coming to your house directly. you do use it every single day. Police and fire keep your town safe. Just because you are not having to call the police does not mean you don't use them. As a matter of fact it often means they are doing a very good job. But then again considering you really are just trying to be contentious instead of actually listening to anything I expect this will just be another opportunity for arrogant dismissal of anyone's ideas but your own. |
| 2013-05-06 2:40 PM in reply to: #4729913 |
| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Internet Sales Tax Bill trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:39 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 3:15 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 2:05 PM I'm just grossly overtaxed for things I don't use. Like the police and fire and roads. If I don't use it, why should I have to pay for it!? AcesFull - 2013-05-06 3:01 PM trinnas - 2013-05-06 1:14 PM AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:11 PM Jackemy1 - 2013-05-06 12:50 PM mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving. I think we can't blame Obama yet as this is the brain child of the morons on Capitol Hill. Just to be clear, I don't like this either. Unfortunately, it's the correct action. You live in a state, you pay taxes in that state. Don't like the tax rate? Move. Except that sales tax is supposed to be to help fund local projects eg roads, police, fire services etc. If you do not use any of those services why should you pay for them?
I have no plans to use police or fire anytime soon. I do, however, drive on the roads and send my children to school. Should I ask for a discount, then maybe just pay per use for the police and fire? *rolls eyes* really that tired argument/red herring again??? actually I was refferring to the business using those service. and like it or not you use the police every day even if they are not coming to your house directly. you do use it every single day. Police and fire keep your town safe. Just because you are not having to call the police does not mean you don't use them. As a matter of fact it often means they are doing a very good job. But then again considering you really are just trying to be contentious instead of actually listening to anything I expect this will just be another opportunity for arrogant dismissal of anyone's ideas but your own. But I dont have a car so why should I have to pay for the roads? |
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